Exactly. Why do you think I'm here! I know this forum is only populated by people that are adamant about their position here. It is not a forum for fun. ( But , by the fact WE are here WE must all suffer from the same ailment. Yes? No?
No Dear Heart. By "we" I meant all the "agonists" we have! The Protagonist ,Antagonist! Why does "agonists" remind me of "agony" ?? Is it agony to debate? Is one man/(womans) "Ant" anothers "Pro"? And vice versa?
None the less !! Look who just showed up!! Conrad! Old friend! Glad to see you. Pat did a stellar job in your absence! How's things?
I also enjoy history, American Civil War. I love American Indian folklore and particularly the medicines they used. Their spiritual belief. Must say Math was my least favorite discipline.
Dear Heart, I never got a thread locked. I have started 10 or more threads on this same subject because I have a real passion about injustice I see, both here in the US and in Israel. The threads were locked because the heckling got to me and I degraded my rhetoric in kind and , as all of us here that have been in the slammer know, it's counter-productive. I won't raise my rhetoric. I just post news and opinion that paraphrase my "take" on things.
Feel the love. Hi Wow. I won't insult. It doesn't help the forum.
Obama to withhold veto from Palestinian UN move to condemn Israeli settlements!
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report January 22, 2011, 10:45 PM (GMT+02:00)
Israel and the US are set for a collision if President Barack Obama stands by his refusal to veto a Palestinian-Arab motion due to be tabled at the UN Security Council condemning Israel for its settlement policy in the West Bank and Jerusalem, debkafile's Washington sources report.
If he did, he would be the first US president to let an anti-Israel motion go through the Security Council; building on the West Bank and even in the forty-year old suburbs of East Jerusalem would become illegal, as would also municipal, police and military actions in these places.
This situation would throw Israel's relations with the US, the UN and the European Union into deep crisis.
By failing to block such a motion, Obama would encourage the Palestinians and hostile Arab states to continue to use the UN Security Council to undermine Israel's legitimacy and even recognize a unilateral Palestinian state within the pre-1967 borders without negotiations.
The White House in Washington is maintaining a façade of normalcy in relations with the Netanyahu government. Last week, two senior US officials – Dennis Ross, presidential adviser on Iran and the Middle East, and Fred Hof, George Mitchell's deputy and adviser on Syria and Lebanon, arrived in Jerusalem with a new proposal: The Obama administration and Netanyahu government would work out the security arrangements to be incorporated in a potential peace accord with the Palestinians and so ease the path toward a deal on borders.
However, debkafile's sources point out that by failing to veto a Palestinian motion on settlements, Obama is a priori dictating future borders which no mainstream Israeli party. even the dovish Kadima, would accept, because it would entail turning the clock to the period before the 1967 war, one of the most hazardous of Israel's history. Every Israeli government since then its absolutely committed to obtaining secure and defensible borders in any accommodation.
Defense Minister Ehud Barak appears to have taken a completely different tack to that pursued by Washington. He maintained last week that one of his main reasons for splitting the Labor party was a dramatic development in talks with a certain Palestinian group which he refused to identify.
Barak argued that with Labor rocking the boat, the government was in no shape to take advantage of this "historic opportunity" for progress. In conversation with confidants, the Defense Minister said he had persuaded Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and even the hawkish Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman that the chance was too good to miss.
In his view, this trio constituted the only solid political force capable of bringing it to a successful conclusion. For its sake, he was therefore willing to endure the arrows and slings aimed at him by his erstwhile Labor colleagues.
debkafile's sources say no one in Washington or Jerusalem was willing to admit they knew anything about the Palestinian development to which Barak referred."
I know this might just be "hollow optimism" but all that want Peace might see this as just the push needed to break the "log jam".
The Grateful Dead played 5 songs at Woodstock yet never have I seen one clip of their performance. And did anyone know that Hendrix didn't play until the Monday after the historic weekend.
So the tide is changing. The prospect of UN resolution ratified condemning further settlement construction and reinforcing the long fought debate that deems them illegal in the first place. Coupled East Jerusalem being seen as the future home of the Palestine capitol. Peace at last. Peace at last. Lord almighty, Peace at last.
Well done! You know Pat is only in here to heckle. All of my threads have been railroaded by these people. First they raise the rhetoric and I fall pray to their tricks and the thread is shut down. Don't let them fool you. I am adamant about a two state solution. With no Israeli military outposts located smack dab throughout the Palestinian nation. Jerusalem can be a shared city of worship with the Palestinian getting their capital in East Jerusalem.
There is no reason whatsoever,That I can see, why Jerusalem can't be a International City of Worship. Under UN sovereignty. Where All nations and religions can enjoy their historic ties to the city.
Mr. Paldi, Thank you for your observation. You sir have a valid point. If another thread would further the cause of Peace, at a quicker pace, I am all for it. At your service. Sir.
The Lord is my Shepherd; I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: He leadeth me beside the still waters. He restoreth my soul: He leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for His name' sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: For thou art with me; Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me. Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies; Thou annointest my head with oil; My cup runneth over. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the House of the Lord forever.
Up until now ttom I have held your comments to be marginally insightful , tainted and off the mark, but interesting in that your military insight at least gives me an idea as to the twisted mind-set Netanyahu is stuck on. But if you think Netanyahu is not to blame for the ruthless slaughter of innocents then you sir are sadly mistaken.
Peace
Ok boys and girls, lets start with Jerusalem. Why can't there be a compromise? Both Nations can have their capital there.