Ummm...Paganism is not an organized religion by any stretch of the imagination. Just thought that deserved to be corrected. There is no dogma, and so many different paths because each individual has slightly different beliefs and practices. Even Wicca is not totally organized, and though there are covens within it, all of those are still separate. Finding one's own beliefs and respect for those of others is encouraged...that's not organized religion, where one is supposed to believe the same as the masses.
Sorry, Ship...I don't belong to an organized religion, nor believe in organized religion either. Beliefs should belong to the individual, not be spoon-fed.
Sorry, hun...I had to make dinner, and now I've got to feed the dogs...and try to get some of my stuff done before I relax tonight. I did send myself that info in a set of emails. Cool, and I appreciate the info.
BP has started a slew of threads in response to this...I read some of it too, but it didn't have the historical value of these posts. I have truly appreciated the education today.
Looks like you, me, and Ship on here that day, Ken...at least amongst the Americans. We'll have the company of those in other countries where it's not celebrated, so we won't be totally alone.
Sitting here and putting on some movies that I haven't watched in a long time, and trying to forget that I'm all alone while everyone else is with their families.
This, and all of the above research posts, have been fascinating, Trish. I am very glad you took the time and effort to put this on here. I've truly enjoyed reading so far...and will keep checking. I'm cooking dinner now, and then I'll be settling in my chaise for the night, but I will be looking for more on here in between.
Washing dishes, reading and posting on forums, and getting ready to make dinner...and continue to read forums.
Yep...I could go out, but I'd rather stay in. I'll be on here until HGTV starts the "design time saturday night" stuff...then I'll be watching that. Yep...I've got a life!
I can imagine, sweetie...I get it mostly in person since I'm as outspoken of my beliefs in "real life" as I am here. (I'd like to know why we refer to them as different when this is also real life as far as I'm concerned? Sorry...different topic for a different day.)
I have to say that as a Pagan I have objected to this as well. Churches have the right to display nativity scenes, though I don't believe that they belong in the town square. I've never objected to being wished a "Merry Christmas", and can even say the words in return...but I have appreciated more the co-workers and friends who are aware that Yule/Solstice is my holiday and wished me either a Happy Yule or a Happy Solstice...and wished them a Merry Christmas in return with more feeling than to those who say that to me instead. (Gosh I hope you followed that wording.)
Our nation's heritage is religious freedom, not Christianity. There are many from all faiths here, and all have the same rights.
Yes...and they do it so lovingly too. (:sarcasm emoticon:)
I always love being told that I'm not going to heaven. I've got news: wherever that place is that all of those loving people think that they're going...I don't want to go there.
And please...for any who think I'm being intolerant here when I preach against it so much...I'm speaking from my side of the intolerance that has been shown to me. I have no problems with those who do not feel this way.
I know. Try to convince some of them of that though...after all, it was Christianity that came along and saved our souls by converting us from being such Heathens (a name I get called by some).
The one I love: "for a Pagan, you're really a pretty decent person, you know"...gee, thanks
And yes, Kid, I realize that...I have seen and heard enough of it, and noticed that it seems to be more from fear that they might be wrong...their beliefs are much more fragile than mine because I have researched (and continue to read, learn, and research) mine, not had it spoonfed to me. The spoonfeeding just didn't work here.
Because some (and note, I did not say all) Christians can't accept that they might be wrong...that all that they've been taught all of their lives, and that their parents and priests/ministers have believed, could be wrong, and that someone who doesn't believe that way might also be just as kind, caring, and moral as they are...after all, it's following Christ's message that makes humans behave that way, not human nature itself.
I agree with you. One of my best friends and I (my husband's former business partner and one of his best friends) had to agree not to discuss religion any more because he's convinced he's right, there's no other possibility, and he's "worried about my soul"...so it always becomes an argument, rather than a discussion. I've had many pleasant conversations with other Christians who are very open-minded and curious, and those conversations I can thoroughly enjoy because they're not trying to "convert" me or "save my soul".
It always makes me wonder why people think they can convert me to a religion that I didn't believe in for the 40 years I was trying to...I just don't get what they think they'll say to make me feel different that various priests and ministers could.
I won't paint all atheists with the same brush, so to speak, any more than I paint all Christians with the same brush, but I have seen threads and posts on here that fit with the above description of the "neo-atheists"...which is sad. I enjoy intelligent commentary, but hate any that smacks of hatred and intolerance...from any side.
I know what you mean...on both counts. I do have to say that I don't mind those who actually walk their beliefs...it's the ones who spout it but don't walk it that I find tough to tolerate...as I do anyone with a closed mind.
That's because people like that don't have an answer. Just my experience, but I've found that they're going to believe what they believe no matter what the facts say.
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My opinion (for what it's worth...not much ) of him just went up.