Square the circle? No need! the fact that they armed the UDA ext does not take away from the fact that they also protected you from a loyalist pogrom. There is no incompatibility between both those things! If you were objective you would understand that but you aren't so the basic logic of the fact escapes you.
You have no understanding of what happened in the North simply because your mind was poisoned by propaganda from the start. Without objectivity there can be no understanding!
Aw will you ever get real!!! I'm not talking about a few hoods breaking into houses!! I'm talking about armed loyalist mobs destroying catholic areas if the Brits hadn't stopped them. Are you really that naive that you think the prods would'nt have done that in the seventies and eighties if they had been allowed? And with their superior numbers and fire power they would have succeded and you family would either be dead now or living in a refugee hostel in the south.
What I mean is that if the Brits had pulled out like the provos wanted them to there would have been civil war in Belfast and the prods would have killed or driven out the catholics. Do you really think that that wouldn't have happened?
Only a democrat has the right to demand the highest standards from the state security forces....a supporter of terrorism doesn't have that right. It's a subtle concept but basically it's best described as 'wanting to have it both ways'!
No she doesn't know what's going on, she hasn't a clue. If she did she would understand that the only reason she is still alive is because of the Brits and the protection they gave her. Unfortunately like you she has the victimhood complex and doesn't see that the main cause of the troubles were her 'own side'.
The funeral of Alan Ryan saw a few hundred skangers from all over Ireland at it. You must know nothing about our society here if you think such people get to decide anything about what happens in life!
Once again you ignore my point! Do I need to once again point out the double standards about your reaction to the 18 dead soldiers and the 3 dead terrorists in Gibralter? Go back and read it again and you might get it this time!
Ok so the Gibralter 3 were unarmed (at the time of their killing) so what do you think they were doing there? Bird watching?
If you knew anything about life in this country you would understand the quiet admiration for the Brits here after Gibralter, it was brilliant and myself and my mates drank a toast to the SAS the following night.
Ah yes, the casual 'if you don't agree with me you are a traitor' argument beloved of cavemen everywhere.
So 'they joined knowing what could happen' yes they did, just like the Gibralter 3 joined knowing what could happen but that doesn't stop you seeing it in moral terms does it? Lol your double standards and victimhood are so obvious to any objective viewer but your mind is poisoned by your upbringing so you just can't look at it objectively. Unfortunately for you the rest of us have to look at it that way, that's why you will always be a bewildered minority.
By the way have you noticed the overall lack of interest in this thread? you are on your own buddy, don't expect any help from the South.
You've showed that both sides united before and I've showed that both sides have divided. If you were objective you'd see that they haven't a hope in hell of uniting.
You're picking out exceptions (Bunting, Dugdale ext) and trying to claim they prove a point but they are in fact just that...exceptions!
As I said before when you offered to meet me....no...as a supporter of terrorists you are beyond the pale for me.
Yeah some very interesting results, growing numbers seeing themselves as Northern Irish and fewer seeing themselves as British or Irish, hope for the future there.
United Ireland is a dead duck at least for a few generations to come...only when the hate stops up there can that happen, until then we need the Brits so maintain peace and stop both sides killing each other.
You're a supporter of terrorism who wants to drag the North back to the bad old days. Were 3 thousand dead not enough for you?
As for the relief riots I accepted that but pointed out all the other sectarian riots as well, you of course ignored my point as you always do when your selective version of history is pointed out to you.
On Bloody Sunday I agree with you. On the other points no. Have you ever thought what it must have been like for a soldier walking the streets in the north, knowing he could be killed by terrorists any minute? Sometimes he lost his discipline and did terrible things.
People demanded that soldiers behaved impeccably at all times, if you do that fair enough as you don't support violence. But what gets me is people who do support violence like Phoenix demand the same thing, they have no moral right to (but of course they do anyway as they are dripping with victimhood).
The Brits wouldn't have been human if they hadn't given in sometimes to collusion. Can you blame them? trying to fight a terrorist menace while their hands were tied behind their backs? If they had been less civilised they would have cordoned off West Belfast with a massive barrier, like the Israelis did in order to stop terrorist attacks on them.
You don't read my posts very carefully do you? I never denied the things you said I just pointed out that they were a minority. For every example of catholics and prods joining up there were a lot more of prods attacking catholics. The history of Belfast is littered with cases of sectarian attacks on catholics by prod mobs.
You ignore all the things that don't suit your argument and pick out the little bits that do - deluded!
By the way have you noticed the info services that you quote here 'workers republic, socialist worker, socialist party ext ext...' you look at scources that are likely to reflect your own views rather than more objective ones. Like I say, deluded!
More fantasy. It was very rare for people from the Shankill to go and defend their catholic neighbours, much more likely that they go to attack them. The British didn't create any mess (unless you want to blame Brits for something they did four hundred years ago - which knowing you is quite possible) the mess is a natural result of two violent peoples living side by side.
Overall the Brits behaved with great restraint during the troubles, some collusion notwithstanding.
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RE: Occupied six counties...
Square the circle? No need! the fact that they armed the UDA ext does not take away from the fact that they also protected you from a loyalist pogrom. There is no incompatibility between both those things! If you were objective you would understand that but you aren't so the basic logic of the fact escapes you.You have no understanding of what happened in the North simply because your mind was poisoned by propaganda from the start. Without objectivity there can be no understanding!