1.If the charge of the Proton and Electron not been Exactly Equal hydrogen atoms would repel one another and there would be no galaxies. 2.If the Relative Strength of the Four Fundamental Forces-gravity, electromagnetism, and the strong and weak nuclear forces-were slightly different, no life would be possible. If the strong force (the force that binds protons and neutrons in the nucleus) was just two per cent less, it would have destroyed all nuclei essential to life. If it was two per cent more, it would have prevented the formation of protons and, therefore, matter. 3.If the Proton/Electron Mass Ratio of 1836 to 1 had been slightly different, there would be no chemistry. 4.If the Balance Between the Gravitational Force and the Electromagnetic Force in Stars had been altered by a mere 1 in 1040, it would have produced a universe composed entirely of blue giants and red dwarfs-stars that don’t support life. 5.Given the second law of thermodynamics, a big bang should have produced a universe with zero order (maximum entropy), and yet our universe came out very orderly (Low Entropy). 6.If expansion rate of the universe was slower by 1 part in a million million, the universe would have collapsed very early. If the expansion rate was greater by 1 part in a million, galaxies stars and planets never would have formed. 7.If the Centrifugal Force did not Perfectly Balances the Gravitational Force, every galaxy and solar system would come crashing in upon itself. 8.If the Resonance (energy) Level of the Carbon 12 Nucleus was slightly lower, carbon would not form. A slightly higher level would instantly destroy it. Carbon, oxygen, nitrogen and the other heavy elements required for life all depend upon this.
If the Big Bang was merely a chance happening it is virtually impossible that all the values of all of these forces would have been exactly right to ensure the survival of the universe and to allow life. Given the potentially infinite number of other values these forces could have taken, it is much more likely that they would have fallen outside the very narrow range that is conducive to life. As John Leslie, the philosopher of science has put it, “Life prohibiting universes are much more probable than life permitting universes.” This is evidence of an intelligent designer behind the Big Bang who ensured that it happened in such a way that the universe could support life.
The observer objection
There is one main objection to this argument. It goes something like this: “It is not surprising that we observe the initial conditions of the universe to be conducive to life because those are obviously the only conditions that could precede our existence.”
This is only the case if one assumes beforehand that our existence itself is not surprising. But our argument is that, given the potentially infinite number of non-life values the forces could have taken, it is extremely surprising that the entire scenario has taken place, i.e., the right initial conditions and the existence of observers. If one assumes that the second part is not surprising, then of course it follows that the first part is also not surprising. But that clearly begs the question.
Summary and conclusion
Just like two cords wound together become a strong rope, so the cumulative effect of these two arguments provide us with a powerful case for the existence of God.
Taken together, these two arguments tell us that the cause and designer of the universe is an intelligent, immaterial, powerful, changeless being that existed in a timeless, eternal state beyond the beginning of the universe. This, I suggest, is close enough to the traditional Judeo-Christian concept of God that we can justifiably conclude that indeed, God does exist.
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RE: Proof of gods existence or non existence?
1.If the charge of the Proton and Electron not been Exactly Equal hydrogen atoms would repel one another and there would be no galaxies.2.If the Relative Strength of the Four Fundamental Forces-gravity, electromagnetism, and the strong and weak nuclear forces-were slightly different, no life would be possible. If the strong force (the force that binds protons and neutrons in the nucleus) was just two per cent less, it would have destroyed all nuclei essential to life. If it was two per cent more, it would have prevented the formation of protons and, therefore, matter.
3.If the Proton/Electron Mass Ratio of 1836 to 1 had been slightly different, there would be no chemistry.
4.If the Balance Between the Gravitational Force and the Electromagnetic Force in Stars had been altered by a mere 1 in 1040, it would have produced a universe composed entirely of blue giants and red dwarfs-stars that don’t support life.
5.Given the second law of thermodynamics, a big bang should have produced a universe with zero order (maximum entropy), and yet our universe came out very orderly (Low Entropy).
6.If expansion rate of the universe was slower by 1 part in a million million, the universe would have collapsed very early. If the expansion rate was greater by 1 part in a million, galaxies stars and planets never would have formed.
7.If the Centrifugal Force did not Perfectly Balances the Gravitational Force, every galaxy and solar system would come crashing in upon itself.
8.If the Resonance (energy) Level of the Carbon 12 Nucleus was slightly lower, carbon would not form. A slightly higher level would instantly destroy it. Carbon, oxygen, nitrogen and the other heavy elements required for life all depend upon this.
If the Big Bang was merely a chance happening it is virtually impossible that all the values of all of these forces would have been exactly right to ensure the survival of the universe and to allow life. Given the potentially infinite number of other values these forces could have taken, it is much more likely that they would have fallen outside the very narrow range that is conducive to life. As John Leslie, the philosopher of science has put it, “Life prohibiting universes are much more probable than life permitting universes.” This is evidence of an intelligent designer behind the Big Bang who ensured that it happened in such a way that the universe could support life.
The observer objection
There is one main objection to this argument. It goes something like this: “It is not surprising that we observe the initial conditions of the universe to be conducive to life because those are obviously the only conditions that could precede our existence.”
This is only the case if one assumes beforehand that our existence itself is not surprising. But our argument is that, given the potentially infinite number of non-life values the forces could have taken, it is extremely surprising that the entire scenario has taken place, i.e., the right initial conditions and the existence of observers. If one assumes that the second part is not surprising, then of course it follows that the first part is also not surprising. But that clearly begs the question.
Summary and conclusion
Just like two cords wound together become a strong rope, so the cumulative effect of these two arguments provide us with a powerful case for the existence of God.
Taken together, these two arguments tell us that the cause and designer of the universe is an intelligent, immaterial, powerful, changeless being that existed in a timeless, eternal state beyond the beginning of the universe. This, I suggest, is close enough to the traditional Judeo-Christian concept of God that we can justifiably conclude that indeed, God does exist.