And, are your spiritual...

yeah, its not good to have ppl assume you are religiious to some, is it?

so, are you spiritual, or just semantically religious Grandepensees??

conversing

And, are your spiritual...

we can all argue the pros and cons of other peoples' ideas of what their religions are or aren't, can't we? but, try telling an arab he doesn't work for allah.

and, for spending time with hindus in bali, they have a spirituality clearer than most 'western countries'. their whole focus when not trying to make a buck out of tourists is prayer and making themselves better people as their 'doctrine of life' demands.

literally every home has shrines to their spiritual leaders or gods, ruled by one greater god. they go and pray and make offerings toward their themes many times daily. they don't wait for sunday to bother.

so, when all cultures follow the tenets of some doctrine of life, are they religious or spiritual Grandepensees?

and, does the tale wag the dog, or...?


conversing

RE: Can you make a positive and true statement with these three words?

sure...

1. rhetoric

2. black money

3. genocide

barf

And, are your spiritual...

or 'just religious'?

let me reword that: are you religious or 'just spiritual'?

do you think it is coincidence that EVERY culture has a religion at its base and every person in them is exposed to tenets of life offered in those religions suggesting right ways to live and that they will live on after they die?

gift

RE: When I die .......

rob a suggestion if needed?

i was with a woman for 11yrs and one day we went to see friends and decided to play some games for the day. somebody suggested one of us should function in absolute trust and faith while they were required to do whatever it was decided was 'right' next then?

this was really about trusting 'psychic' things and testing its worth. the group decision was that i would be the one on the spot. then they had to decide i must do whatever was ideal next. i agreed. my partner came out with the test i had to submit to and resolve ideally next.

she simply said "if you love me you will leave me." to see this in context, i had just returned from an across aust drive with her and she receded into a despair i couldn't reach or communicate through. communication got worse and worse over a year or so. on the last day of the trip i prayed to hit a tree instead of no more bottled up bs. she fired on everything.

so, i immediately realised this WAS my answer being given next. i had to just sit with my feelings as the others talked or whatever. it took me until i was showering next day to hit on the painless answer. i simply had to agree because loving her meant if i loved her i would let it happen. i said ok and it was over from that moment.

next she said i had to just pack a suitcase and leave her all else. so i said ok, i will trust the universe on that too. but, i said i won't leave until a door opens and i have somewhere to go. she agreed. as i said it there was a new woman friend of a few days there also. she said why not come to my parent's beachside place while you wait. so, i packed my suitcase and left with her.

i had a dream that night saying i would get it all not her. the home was a govt owned rental in my name. it was not transferable. she rang them and they evicted her next. the new woman and i remained together in the home for 4 years next. never missed her for for a moment she collected all she wanted later and it was done. moral for you is: if it hurts you are doing something wrong.

RE: When I die .......

its called healing isn't it rob? and, what was cruel for you was healing time for her and pushing you to process more of it too.

grief is a process of corrupted belefs repair. all of the tumblers have to fall in succession or we must wait spinning our wheels until they do...

cheers. it is good to keep the bond after the event. when we don't we have much for to confront, don't we?

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RE: When I die .......

its not a bad stance to have if you don't really know about these things, but, there was no coincidence about it. it was a tragic event and those who needed to attend did.

for my 'coincidence', i stood in front of the sari club at 7am same day for the first time ever. i looked at it seriously and thought i will ask my friends, who had never been to a disco, if they would like to attend it with me that night.

in my mind i received a sharp loud clear "NO!" it shocked me into wondering why? a few hours later on the way to lombok my friends said they wanted me to take them to a disco on lombok. they said they were going to ask me to take them to the sari club that night but also decided we should go to lombok instead?

i also told them i was deeply anxious about our leader's rhetoric. i said to my friends: "australians are going to be killed somewhere in the world very soon. our leader has guaranteed it will be so!"

i was already tensely reacting before the event and it helped greatly when it happened a few hours later - where i had intended to be just hours before.

RE: When I die .......

actually our jesting is bringing up some pretty gruesome memories. i was going to the sari club that night for a look at the place. something inside warned me clearly not to. we went to a lombok island disco instead. we were told at 11pm.

next day news tv in bali was full of piles of black piled corpes and the island was awash is wreaths everywhere you went. do you know what 200 black well cooked people look like in a pile across the road seekndestroy? i couldn't go near the place for a week. then i went every morning.

there were a thousand milling lost shocked and mourning balinese there at 7am every day, and, i was the only white tourist anywhere for remaining to confront my fear and shock and outrage. i'm glad i have had the death experience i did. it helps to know there is reason and choice behind such events.

whatever warned me knew and could have warned others too, couldn't it? i wonder why it didn't? i needed practical experience and to be there to write 3 books on ending war, but, what about the rest...???

mumbling

RE: When I die .......

barbiQued pork, and don't worry about the men, they won't be able to tell the difference if the gas is in your birthday suit shirt front, will they? confused

RE: When I die .......

yes it will clear your pimplez rather fast, for sure...

so, what will you wear to your funeral s@d??yay

RE: When I die .......

'why thank you bestbefore'

hehe gift

RE: When I die .......

yr a real angel bb...

angel hug angel

RE: When I die .......

toooo late. if you have been following closely, i just told you how i died, why and when...

didn't i???

some pple would be late for their own funerals, wouldn't they jashcd
doh

RE: When I die .......

your worried about your eyeballs, wait till you see what it does to your eyelids and lashes man!

sigh

RE: When I die .......

My ex finally spoke to me on the telephone.

Her voice sounded so shrill and nasty - and I remembered once when we first met her berating somebody from work who had the cheek to ring her up while she was on vacation and, at the time, thinking:

'Wow! I'd hate to be on the wrong side of this woman!'

hi rob sounds like you already are mate? makes you wonder how it could ever have happened, doesn't it??

wine

RE: When I die .......

hey seekndestroy...

just carry a bottle of gasoline in your shirt...


very mad

RE: When I die .......

oops, i 'thought the thread was dead' hehe.

thanks for liking my comments. it's a step or two up for me from last week and alwasy good to feel appreciated when expressing such divergent views. few are so kind usually...

a matrix in that it is a matrix of living dreams overlapping and happening. we live in areas of a universal mind many argue about and most deny. we also call it 'god' by many names. it is alive and aware and you are made of it and in it right now.

consider humanity as we experience it is made up of experimenting souls. we are facet personalities of such souls. but, while there are billions of us, there are perhaps thousands on these larger 'entities'. like tentacles of an octopus you are an experiencing finger of such a being.

have you ever noticed identical twins have the same mind? they are telepathic and can talk and act as one. in this way, we engage other facet or focus personalities that are literally the rest of our 'selves'. your partner will often be a part of your soul too.

new selves can branch of the being you are for making new choices. you die to return home from hell, not to go to it. if you deserve it, you will back in whatever circumstances most deserved next visit 'down here'.

devil very mad

RE: Why oh why?

let's all try to be a bit more gracious with these encounters?

if people come in with their emails they are not trying to intrude in passing. something about us has been noticed by them and they may or may not know how to approach us from there, so, they are giving us the opportunity to connect for bothering, yes? they are not just more spam.

why do they have to read our profiles before they try to connect anyway because they like something you said?

they are taking a chance and don't quite know what to say or expect to make a good impression with us next. if we discard them for wanting to know us and bothering to reach that far, we are defeating what we are all in here for... Aren't we??


doh confused handshake

RE: how do you know?

thumbs up

RE: Yo. What's up with my picture???

do you want to be seen as honest? kick the glasses. the last is fun but the first is honest...

thumbs up

RE: WOULD YOU

all bad partners start with a good new partner... don't they??

i wish they had a wilting flower icon? confused

RE: how do you know?

honestly (oops) i have no idea, and, if anybody else does i would really like some of your wisdom next plz??

i'm not here for even one game but why else is there to be here as the threads usually run anyway??

i think a few women are some of god's finest creations. unfortunately he certainly seems to have scrapped quite a few rejects making them... didn't he?

err, is god a male or...??

RE: WOULD YOU

i'll drink with you to that hq...

cheers

RE: WOULD YOU

hi nmp...

so many women suddenly agreeing with me in this thread, and i misspelled it too??? err, email me soon, won't you ladies?

actually i really meant to say: there are two kinds of partners i don't want: no partner and the wrong partner. oops hehe.

actually i am a terrible judge these days. my last lady was terribly bipolar. damaged by being locked away by her parents until her very first ever date at 19. she was cretian and it was chaperoned. her chaperone promply left them together and she was pregnant next. they didn't even let her go to school.

every few weeks, and out of nowhere, she would SCREEEEAMMM into my face expressing passing pain again. it crumpled and crushed my heart and now ANY woman raising her voice at me even once never sees me again.

sad flower

RE: Why oh why?

ins't it great SOME IM you woodzchick??


wine

thank god...

science is our only godless religion...

angel gift

RE: Do you believe star sign match?

hey hey girl...

no not by the stars, but...

i have MUCH faith in your fortune tellers... do you?

i have long studied and tested 'channeling', tapping deeper knowledge in our minds, as a process, to see what magic it can really offer our worlds.

about 1992 i was studying 'psycic healing' again using channeling to teach and test. one day a 26yo lady called susan rang me out of the blue after reading my first book mind over matter. the conversation went something like this:

"hello i'm susan. i've been crippled since birth. i have been crippled all my life and YOU are going to heal my legs!"

i asked how she had deduced this was so when we haven't even talked yet?

her reply: "i've had 15 operations on my knees and just returned from seeing one of the world's best bone specialists in england. he said i should expect to be in a wheelchair for the rest of my life and may lose my legs soon too? i have a rare bone disease and there is no treatment for it"

she said she just returned to aust after stopping off in hongkong and she saw a fortune teller there. she was told she would be healed by a man back in aust when she returned. she came back and found my book, read it and rang me next.

i immediately told her of 'seeing' a small infant child falling and hurting her knees grievously. there was burnt coal cinders on a path, and a small outside room. it meant nothing to her so i invited her down anyway.

after 2 visits susan's atrophied left thigh gained 3 inches in circumference - we measured it as i began. one of the pivotal things i did was suddenly dig my fingers in mercilessly around her remaining painful diseased right patella and ask her "when was the first time you ever felt that pain susan"?

she winced but could not answer initially, so, i dug in even harder and asked my question again.

then she had it! "When i was just learning to walk i was in the outside laundry alone. i was 18 months old. it had a coal fired copper for boiling clothes in..."

she had climbed up on it holding onto the coal storage bin side beside the copper. but, being so small, she lost her balance and fell. her knees being both cut on the sharp top edge of the copper container.

the doctor was called and patched things up. but, there was just one more thing... "my mother turned to me and said: now you must be a good girl or your knees won't heal properly will they?"

in susan's expectation then she realised she was not a good girl so her knees simply never healed. and of course, this was all we needed to find.

she subsequently contacted her mother to see if it was so and it was! a week later susan rang me and thanked me because she had just gone dancing for the first time in her life and now she could also walk up stairs one at a time correctly also for the first time in her life.

a year later i used susan as a model in a class i was asked to offer. i stood her facing everybody and leaning comfortably back against a table as i taught them how to do a process i called 'dream art'. there was no trace of instablity in susan's walk or posture. she wore a dress below her knees...

when everybody did their pictures, which were showing them how to pinpoint possible illness in others by just drawing and learning hot to interpret later, every member of the class highlighed her knees in turn. then susan told them her story...

moral of this one: who knows what wonders they may bring, and, consult a chinese fortune teller about your future soon...

won't you Amenda?

uh oh

RE: Yo. What's up with my picture???

the energy of people shows through and often regardless of the picture. watch the pics in passing. some light our hearts in passing and then there are those 'others'.

you have a warmth greater than your pics cameraman and it shows through to me.

thumbs up

RE: WOULD YOU

there are only two parnters in the world i don't want...

no partner than the wrong partner!

sad flower

Reaching for love is ending our pain...?

actually i considered posting an old poem written by me from a woman's perspective across 3 times in their lives and decided it was too devastating. didn't want to fog up too many monitors.

so i just wrote it as a half poem to bring some deeper responses in passing. i do like to see some depth emerge for trying but some days i feel could just be better spent?

got plenty of poetry that hits the buttons but don't see many interested at all or this post may not have started so tarnished? its a product of cynicism for the cynical, but, please laugh at it and us and keep that packet of pills in case they will taste better tomorrow, won't you am?

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