On your first question: Is there a term legally approved to be used in going through the system of their papers being processed? If there is, I would love to hear it from you. Wall Street Journal even used the terms "processing".
Note: That is the least of the problem on this post Jac. As smart as you are, this should be the least of your concern.
Second: How would I feel being processed? I don't have any question, if it were me. When I first arrived in the US 40 years ago, it was in Hawaii and I didn't see anything wrong in processing my papers that eventually made me a US citizen.
By the way, I thought you were not supposed to be on any of my post? But set that aside, I have been so busy so it is only now that I can jump back in.
Can´t quote all the hate comments, so ... this is for Chris4711
There are so many of us that get affected by policies enforced by our government, sometimes we just have to accept it without questions and sometimes we do spill blood opposing it. I know for a fact that in the times of the Holocaust per history, it seemed no one in the whole country stood against the wrong doings of the Fuhrer. But we have to move on. It is a shameful act of one man and we don't have to keep repeating over and over again.
On the current position, it is no more of a surprise to see a gesture from a country that turns 180 degree from what it stood for and what it is trying to do. I am sure the unveiling of the immediate as well as the long term effect will be a most awaited result.
Well then, Merkel has a responsibility to respond to her people why she is doing it and when will it stop, don't you think? For the world to know, including me.
If we look both sides and take the equation of benefit from the foreigners as opposed to the hosting country. If the law allows discrimination on pay due to nationality and still workers stay, that is fine and dandy. But if there is a law that prohibits this practice and the perpetrators have impunity, then it is rather stupid and bigot, right?
At least for the Filipinos in Japan, there is no such thing as protection for the workers. Of course, it is not based on a democratic principles (government).
Fair enough K. As intelligent as I think you are, there is always a reason why policies get created. Without further precedence as to the move that Germany does, look at all the complex discussion it brought about? Why? Because there is a big loophole that can't be filled from the sudden turn of the handling of these refugees.
You are more than welcome to stay away from my thread. This threat is very childish if you ask me.
I think the question that is more prevalent at the moment is: When will it end or how much of these refugees can be absorbed without jeopardizing their economic stability? And the assimilation programs?
There is always a limit to what we can do. There is no number yet of a quota that equates to what Germany can absorb. It is crucial for their Planning Department to budget every refugees they accommodate as to what can be sustained.
Now if we are establishing the possibility that these people will not just be a welfare recipient but will become a very productive members of the community then it follows that there is no reason to be alarmed.
NOTE: Australia has a huge number of refugees shipped to them and generally they don't work but just become welfare recipient. That was a year ago when I was there but now, I am not sure if the government has changed their system to absorb them as working members of the community.
I am surprised at the change of your tone on the original concept of having to use the skills of these migrants?
Like I said in the beginning, if this is the case then it fosters our original thinking that benefits both side. And it cements the very reason why Merkel has turned around and embrace these refugees.
A country with so much resources can only sustain what is available in their coffers. Now if it will exceed their socio economic viability, then it will be a disastrous future in the making.
My suggestion is that all the first and second world, would give a sanction to assist the hosting countries.
Mike I totally understand how you feel, but remember, try to put your position in theirs, would it still be the same? Kind of mindset I mean? These are refugees Mike, these are caught innocently in the middle of a conflict.
Aethericon, somewhere in the first three pages of this post, there is a mention of the need for infrastructure purposes and I got accused of having a "whoosh" in the head.
In reality, it is a win win situation if that is the case. Cheap labor and a very willing people to put to work in exchange for peace and normal life.
Now that is a very doable and ideal solution. So far it makes sense and UN should and must step up to this responsibility. Declare a neutral zone where non of the target terrorists can enter and take care of these innocent ones.
I am aware of that. Just as the world wants all these terrorists to be completely wiped out. I am with you, however, there is not enough precision to just target them without incurring so much damage to the innocent ones.
By the way, I am not your enemy here, why do I fell like I am persecuted by you? Or even questioning your line of thinking?
I am aware nobody is right or wrong here. The discussion stemmed from the fact that Germany changed its position dramatically and I wanted to know what possibly can be the cause and here we are stating all our pros ad cons.
Be careful Capricorn, at one time I reached a point of being so tired of this fight and published one article that favored nuking those countries and even though I was opposed to it, I got labeled as a Muslim hater which I vehemently refute.
I don't go to that extreme as the innocent people it would definitely be unfair to them..
The US through the report of terrorism laden amunitions on the Libyan and Iran countries started the inspection. Whether or not there were such it got to the point where they were a threat to the peace of the world.
Fast forward, Syria now is acknowledged and proven that this is the origin of the ISIS which is planning on annihilating the world.
Now should you consider that as a mess started by the WEst? Let me get it straight, if that is the case then there is no business of any country bombing Syria, right? Is that your thinking?
"Yes, the Americans and the rest contributed made to the mess, but the mess itself belongs entirely to the people there laugh.
Instead of going from a conflict to a conflict they should sort out their countries, take the responsiblity for themselves not act as if they were in the 6th century. They are the ones who should make their own countries functioning properly, or at least a little better."
I don't want to label your ignorance on this mess, but let me start by saying that this mess, as contrive as you think, was and not started by the Americans. It is established that the bombming of Syria is for the eradication of the ISIS. If we go from there, then this is not about blaming who started and why?
The conservatives are the ones who are so worried about the overspending of the liberals (ruling party) that if we don't curtail these war expenses, we will run out of it. I doubt it, too myself because I have realized war is not a cost, rather it is a benefit think about the returns as a result of war. But this is a totally different post.
You are overshooting reality in a way here. The reason why there are these migrants is because of the attack on the establishments of terrorism by the ISIS. Now if you follow the thread of these fact, wouldn't it be sufficient and right to say that even the Saudi Arabians will benefit for the eradication of these maniacal terrorist? Unless of course they are the perpetrators themselves.
So accept that this is a global concern which needs global hand including but not limited to the Arabs.
Like I said, this is a global cause that is eradicating all the terrorist. Not only European responsibility to take care of these refugees. UN should and must step in and it will distribute the number to able countries and then at least provide sustenance to the most accommodating country.
I always refer to my country's social security CC. Which of course, the US. And it is not bankrupt yet as we speak, I am still getting mine every 3rd Wednesday of the month. But it is projected that it would be so.
I am responding to one of the post which emphasized the fact that as far as welfare is concerned, it doesn't seem to run out of funds.
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Germany: Sympathetic to all Syrian Refugees
You have got to be kidding, right?Whether it is my first language or not, Wall Street journal writers use this word.