America vs. America

You're so cool...

@Frontnine35 - not in a good mood today ? want to borrow some crayons ? ;)

@Frontnine35 - glad to see you in a better mood, but you know ..
"Again.....supposition is nonsense not worth commentary." - you did comment ;)

Frontnine35 - nice of you to offer some help. We are not gaining ground on any topic ? I guess that depends on what you measure, and what the objectives would be ? I have tried to figure out your stand on matters, which is not more convincing or more factual based then ideas others may have. We can probably agree that Trump have a pretty blunt and rough way choice of words. He is more into attacks then of argument. And that puts people off. His background history is not exemplary either. His manner cause opposition. There are a lot of natural causes for people to oppose him. Fair enough ? Many of his supporters seem to enjoy it, and I see it displayed often.
Words does matter. Obama did follow what previous administrations did in economics. He had little choice regarding the matter. And Trump is bound by the same realities. He also would like to do some changes. He is not in favor of monetary easing either. There are obvious flaws in capitalism, which have brought us to the current situation. It sure was not the "left" that promoted or wished to export work places to China or elsewhere. Trump knows that very well, and have talked about it well before he came into politics.
So all the talks about the traditionally parties, left/right, is not what he adhere to. But his hands are also bound by the current economic situation. And the impeachment is not simply that his opponents just want to sink him. He have caused much of the situation himself. For what reasons he have done so, is of course an interesting question. He may have his reasons, and that is what people want to know. It is obvious that we do not have the information. As it should be an open and free democratic nation, people are entitled to know. Without it, it is everyone's guess. And both you and me can exercise the freedom of guessing. It is that simple.

And btw. you are not alone having a vote. It is not dependent on education, of having the best argument, of having leanings to either this or the other side. Nor does it matter if some of us happen to be outside the border.

" He is not in favour of monetary easing either." - well, Trump had to bow and accept it for now, while he actually want to raise taxes. So, if he will get another term, this may change. Cannot recall sources, except Steve Bannon told this as well. What you described is in fact what Obama did, and Trump continued. I don't claim to know that much about economics, but found it interesting that this was not what Trump wanted.

@Frontnine35 - well, you could check out Steve Bannon's FRONTLINE intervue "America's Great Divide" as a start, it's was in 2 parts.

@hpylady -"No matter who is in office we will get deceived, the only thing we get is a vote." - yes, but there is no reason it should be like this. "government of the people, by the people, for the people” - they are accountable to the people, they are employed by the people. It does not only mean by the ballot box. There are other governments around the world that manage to hold government and leaders in check, far better then America. It could be done. A reason why it is not, may be some of what Bannon seem to say about the divide. I would probably understand it to point to the "swamp". The elite that seem to get away with it ? But sure, it doesn't have to be like that. And by the way, I agree with what you said and you may wonder a bit when you hear what a cruise missile cost. I would think those schools would be a better investment ?

@Frontnine35 - well, I did not expect you to make the case for me ;) just answered your previous question.

Newt Gingrich calls out Schiff's 'lies' as 'deranged'

Check what Bannon said, I don't have a transcript of it.

I am following the Senate Trial, and at this very moment they have called for a "real" trial with witnesses and documents. In my view, any fair trial deserve that, as well as the people.

too bad , all over bar the vote and the spastic leftist reaction .

Too bad, sad story, in my view - because the question has to do with the rights and role of the office, a question that should have been raised years ago.

Yes, I believe there will be a lot more questions now. Is the Senate part of a cover-up ? The defense laywer implicated ? McConnel had information about who was implicated ? ....and we can continue...

Cipollone.

In letter to Chairman of the Committe on Judiciary, also Jay Sekulow involvment is told.
So, of course people will ask questions.

Former U.S. Sen. John Warner (R-VA) asserted in his statement that not having witnesses would do "lasting damage" to the Senate. "If witnesses are suppressed in this trial and a majority of Americans are left believing the trial was a sham, I can only imagine the lasting damage done to the Senate, and to our fragile national consensus. The Senate embraces its legacy and delivers for the American people by avoiding this risk,"

I think people will ask questions

So, what ever happens, it is clear that the Republicans have sided with Trump, which will make them a target. The House can continue to get evidence, Bolton's book will come out, and Giuliani may be indicted, and Trump will never appear clean.

So ? ...it can only get worse

Yeah , Boltons book will come out , be in the fiction section along with all the other tell all books been printed in the last 3 years , Did you buy Comeys book ? history has shown what a mongrel he was .

@Frontnine35 - right, I forgot that you are so well informed.

United States core institutions do not seem to handle this very well. Presidents come and go, so - how do you thing other countries around the world feel assured that they can trust a President that is not reliable ? Even his own administration does not trust him. Do you think Ukraine trust him ? Or China ? Or Europe ? They do not need United States. EU trade rules, will not bow to US rules. Trump has even made worries withing Allied Forces that they cannot rely on him. Perhaps Congress and Senate, but when he actually block them, like military assistance to Ukraine - what do you imagine that tell them ?

The world have heard about his perfect call. Do you think they take question his perfect deals ? This is your line of expertise, isn't it ? Tell me about your sources.

All he has shown is that he put himself above the interrest of the people and the country. He show little respect of anything or anyone. The moment they are of no use to him, he backstabs and slanders them. Who have any reason to trust him ?

Well, I do not. Sorry,

Congress letter to Pat A. Cipollone - January 21, 2020

Many would probably think I have become a bit fixated ? I don't know. But anyway, I came across something a Senator mentioned that made me check something. I did not pay too much notice of the testimony of Ambassador Yovanovitch, the treat - "she is going to go through some things". Sure, she was obvious shaken by it, but - Trump say a lot of things - however I came across descriptions of how he has intimidated others, which now seem to come into a different light. There are people that actually fear him. And when - as I understood it, a Senator kind of gave a wink in that direction, I started to wonder. And in fact, perhaps there are some real concerns about protection the whistle blower. It appears that Trump may not be a pleasant fellow to fall out with.

Here is a quote made by Trump himself: "I worked with John Kelly, and he was totally unequipped to handle the genius of our great President." - what a remarkable statement to say about yourself ? - and when you notice what he has expressed regarding former employees, you really may question it. And he has some strange stranglehold over people. To me it appears like fear, not someone you would like to cross. He is attracted to power, and I got a sinking feeling about more years with this guy. It may even look cowardly of the Senate not to get rid of him.

Feel a bit stupid to be chasing this, but... so be it.