A Scientific Approach to Past Events

In discussing this topic, I think it is necessary to distinguish between two kinds of science, one dealing with the present world and the other the past. The first is called operation science. It deals with the present and is an empirical science. It's primary principles are observation and repetition. That is, a hypothesis can be tested by measuring it against a recurring pattern of events in nature.

However, there is a scientific approach to the past. It is sometimes called historical science. Archeology and paleontology fit into this category. So does much of astronomy. There is also a discipline known as forensic science. It deals with unobserved and unrepeated events of the past, like a homicide. Since death was unobserved and cannot be repeated, the forensic scientists must reconstruct a comprehensive and consistent picture of it based on the principles of causality and analogy.

This approach to an unrepeated past event is called origin science, as opposed to operation science, which deals with a repeated pattern of events in the present. Since the past, unlike the present, cannot be known by direct observation, it must be inferred by way of the principles of causality and uniformity.


The law of causality simply states that every event has a cause. Nothing can happen without being made to happen by something else. For whatever comes to be, has a cause. There may be events for which we don't know the cause, but we can be sure that there was a cause. The Sound of Music puts it like this..."Nothing comes from nothing; nothing ever could." Any event that occurs must have a cause. handshake

When the law of causality is applied to the origin of the universe, something interesting happens. It leads to a First Cause, which generally is called God. Consider the following:



Whatever has a beginning is caused.


The universe had a beginning.


Therefore, the universe is caused.


According to modern science, there is plenty of evidence pointing to a beginning of the universe. For example, scientifically, the Second Law of Thermodynamics states that in a closed isolated system (such as the whole universe is) the amount of usable energy is decreasing. But if the universe is running down, then it cannot be eternal. It must have had a beginning. So the first principle of origin science, the principle of causality, leads to a First Cause (Creator). By Creator we mean a powerful First Cause of the universe.

But is the "Creator" intelligent or just a Blind Force. Applying the principle of uniformity to the origin of first life provides an answer to our question. For example, we know (from our uniform experience) that coded messages (such as human language) are put together by intelligent beings. But if coded messages need an intelligent cause now, then we can reasonably conclude that they did in the past as well. This is reasoning from analogy, comparing the present with the past. It is called the principle of uniformity (or Analogy). The law of uniformity says that present is the key to understanding the past. If we know how the universe operates now, then we can assume that it has always operated in the same way. If things go up must come down, then it is safe to believe that gravity was also in effect when Gallileo was dropping things from the tower. Lol.

Further, when by analogy with the present it is asked what kind of cause best explains the vast amount of intelligent information (specified complexity) in even a single-cell animal, the answer is: an intelligent Cause. Similarly, when we analyze the great gap between animals and human beings, whose brains contain some 20 million volumes of genetic information (DNA), then it is reasonable to conclude, an intelligent Cause for the first human.professor grin




Come let us reason: Norman Gesiler



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Good Morning Serendipity!!You got to have Something.
drinking SEREN.615: . . You are so smart. Would you be my neighbor? Or Will you be my valentine? Press # 2, for neighbor or press # 3, for valentine. . . . laugh
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Somehow I knew in the very first paragraph this was going to turn into a pitch for God's existence and probably a pitch for directed evolution. The suspicion grew to near certainty when you started mixing in untrue phrases from Hollywood musicals. I instantly knew directed evolution was coming and sure enough there is the standard preamble to it.

Pfui. Matter does spring into being in a perfect vacuum. So much for the song. Study quantum probabilities and fusion (i.e. how the sun works) and you realize the very existence of a supernatural being (i.e. a singularity) would change the probabilities of fusion ever occurring and that would be that. Everything has to follow rules and Creation God(s) don't. So you can discount them. All of it. Angels, demons, cherubs with bows and arrows, devils, Norse Gods, Greek Gods, and on and on. All the result of some psychotic with political power taking mushrooms or bread laced with ergot and people too scared or too weak to cast him into a loony bin.

Your premise is faulty because it presupposes this Universe was the first Universe. Latest findings, that may not, and probably is not, the case. Open Universe vs. Closed Universe. If the last Universe was a closed Universe, as it contracted it built up heat. Eventually something went bang, and lo there was light. No divine creator required. Sorry.
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good to see you again!!!
scold SCOUSIE: . . .Be Nice, Hun!
@ Scouse - Probably Norman Gesiler an evangelist with a web site. He has e-books on 'Intelligent Design' as an alternative to evolution.
ok got yeah,them bible bashers hated charles darwin with a vengence eh?and still defending a lost causedunno cheers
I personally don't know any Christians that do any hating. Have never seen them bash any bibles around either. They're nice people; the kind others go to when they need a hand because they know they wont be turned away.

I have noticed that certain types of people here display their loutish nature when they do their Christian-bashing on a Christian poster's own blogs. Why is it that such types can never state their dissent in a civilized manner, but rather use the tactic of mockery and condescension? scold
yeah...universe will compensate...
Found this a few months ago..


"The universe had a beginning."

I don't agree with this premise. Prove it.

The universe may have always been.

It's a bit like the "something from nothing "arguement religious people invoke. "Surely something can't come from nothing." Just because you may not understand something, doesn't give you the right just to throw in a God. Or a God of gaps, as it were.
Just to elaborate a little.

Asserting that the universe had a beginning is often used by those trying to prove the existence of God, but the fact is we don't know if the universe had a beginning or not. The universe could be part of a larger multiverse that always was, it could be eternally expanding and contracting, it may not even be real - a hologram, there are many possibilities.

God of the Gaps Argument

God of the gaps is a type of theological perspective in which gaps in scientific knowledge are taken to be evidence or proof of God's existence. (NoseHairBob - which is not proof at all)

The term God-of-the-gaps fallacy can refer to a position that assumes an act of God as the explanation for an unknown phenomenon, which is a variant of an argument from ignorance fallacy. Such an argument is sometimes reduced to the following form:

*There is a gap in understanding of some aspect of the natural world.
*Therefore the cause must be supernatural. (NoseHairBob- No proof at all)

Wikipedia

Thanks for the opportunity to discuss the subject, Serendipity.
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The Flagellum and Irreducble Complexity

"The most powerful rebuttals to the flagellum story, however, have not come from direct attempts to answer the critics of evolution. Rather, they have emerged from the steady progress of scientific work on the genes and proteins associated with the flagellum and other cellular structures. Such studies have now established that the entire premise by which this molecular machine has been advanced as an argument against evolution is wrong – the bacterial flagellum is not irreducibly complex. As we will see, the flagellum – the supreme example of the power of this new "science of design" – has failed its most basic scientific test. Remember the claim that "any precursor to an irreducibly complex system that is missing a part is by definition nonfunctional?" As the evidence has shown, nature is filled with examples of "precursors" to the flagellum that are indeed "missing a part," and yet are fully-functional. Functional enough, in some cases, to pose a serious threat to human life."

Kenneth R. Miller
Brown University
Providence, Rhode Island 02912 USA


Serendipity, I'll not clog your blog with citations and references and apologize if I have done so.

The fact is, there is not and never has been one single argument for the existence of a God that has been able to stand up to any scrutiny. There can only be faith in a God's existence which is simply a "belief that is not based on proof"

Thanks once again for allowing a discussion on the subject.
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inoyu


Nice song! It takes something to produce something.laugh



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Angelpepper



How about all of the above.laugh



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cmiyer



Thanks my sister. Glad you like it! hug



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Ken


Mixing untrue phrases from Hollywood musicals? To deny the Law of Causality is to deny rationality. The very process of rational thinking requires us to put together thoughts (the causes) that result in conclusions (the effects). If you don't believe in the Law of Causality, then what caused you to come to that conclusion? grin

The Law of Causality does not say everything needs a cause, but that everything that comes to be (has a beginning), needs a cause. When you get to something that always was, (eternal) it does not need a cause.


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Ed


Nice to see you Ed!wave


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scouse



Why are you pushing your belief on others, by telling them to keep it to themselves? confused


andie


Watches have watchmakers, buildings have builders, creation has a Creator. Simple enough?grin


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chameleon


I agree, my friend. Why can't people disagree in a civilized manner?dunno



Thanks for your presence on my blog.hug



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Bogart


Nice to see you.wave


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NMT


Interesting video.wave Thanks for sharing!bouquet peace



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NoseHairBob



Hello sir. Thanks for stopping by.


In regards, to the beginning of the universe, what does one do with the Second Law of Thermodynamics? Is there an exception to this law, in regards, to a multiverse? The multiverse theory seems like a surrogate for God.grin

When one applies the principles of origin science, one arrives at an intelligent cause.

It is a fallacy to assume that all causes are natural causes.


For example, the Grand Canon. Wind and erosion can easily be seen as the factors that cut the river's path deep through the rock. There is no need to suppose that there was an intelligent cause. But what about Mount Rushmore? Did that happen by wind and erosion? Perhaps political erosion? Joke. laugh

Any reasonable person can see that a mountain with four human faces on it must have had an intelligent cause.

I believe evidence can support one's belief that God exists, but it takes faith to believe in Him.


God Bless!wave
615: I dont listen to that,kind of talk. We all have our own opinion. And pluse! I dont care what others, believe. But! on that last day.That talk will be totally different. No one knows the day nor the hour. "Besides! It gives me, more chance to get into heaven. Its more room, for me to get there. 615. The bible speaks of _ like that! you know, whats in that blank. "
Angelpepper


Truth is truth weather no one believes it, and falsehood is falsehood, weather everyone believes it. For truth exists independent, of what I think or what others think. What we choose to believe, will have eternal consequences, in that last day.

Either we will be in the right place forever (heaven), or we will be in the wrong place forever (hell). Each will have it, according, to their free choice.handshake

God is so loving, that He will not force you to love Him and believe Him. Since forced love is a contradiction in terms.


In the end, there are only two kinds of people. Those who say to God... "Thy will be done" (believers). And to those God says to them..."Thy will be done, have it your way" (unbelievers).


In a free universe you get a free choice.


It is true..."No one knows the day or hour, not even the Son, but only the Father" (Matthew 24:36).


In reference, to His Second Coming, I like these words, from Jesus in the red letter edition of the Bible...


"I am the Alpha and the Omega,", says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." applause


God bless! Serendipityteddybear
I regret to announce Big Bang has changed. It is now the Lambada CDM Model (aka ACDM). I won't bore everyone with the steps such as concordance cosmology, etc. in the changes, but I will say, a single big bang no longer works to explain the challenges to Big Bang as the sole beginning. Full agreement that all cosmologists work within the framework of ACDM as the research continues, but you need to understand that fewer and fewer of them every year continue to accept ACDM is the begin all, end all of their research into how the Universe was made.

Dark Matter, dark energy, dark fluid and Non-baryonic matter are only two of the many challenges to a single Big Bang having been how it all began.

And that brings us to Membrane (M-theory) where we find branes.

Trillions and Zillions of complete Universes constantly being created and destroyed in a never ending cacophony. We, and everything we know of are in only one of zillions of branes. At this very second a new big bang is creating a new Universe (brane). No God is required. It is as normal as a flowe unfolding in the sun. Else when another Universe is collapsing and as that brane ceases to be probable it winks out of existence (or shrinks to the point where it becomes only a potential. And on and on forever. The laws of physics are probably different in some branes (Universes), and that and math will help determine how long they last, if they expand, or are they steady state. There may be a brane where everything is exactly the same as this one, except maybe our names are spelt different, or one in which fusion never began. In others the Planck's constant is just a hair different and stars run out of fuel way faster than they do in our Universe. This (M-Theory) is gradually becoming the new standard model to replace your old ACDM model. It is superior because it requires no God and really a God not bound by Quantum Mechanics would be a Singularity and our sun's fusion in this Universe can not occur if there are singularities. Sorry.
Ken


With the evidence for the beginning of universe being so strong (Second Law of Thermodynamics, Expanding Universe, Radiation Echo of the Initial Explosion, Great Mass of Matter from the Initial Explosion, Einstein's Theory of General Relativity), some atheists question the Law of Causality. However, this is dangerous grounds for atheists who typically pride themselves on being champions of reason and science. grin

The Law of Causality is the "foundation" of all science. For science is a search for causes. If you destroy the Law of Causality, then you destroy science itself.

To say that nothing comes from nothing (or non-being cannot cause being) is not non-sense. For only being can cause being. Nothing does not exist, and only what exists can cause existence, since the very concept of "cause" implies some existing thing that has power to effect another. From absolutely nothing, comes absolutely nothing. handshake


In fact, "Nonbeing cannot produce being" is undeniable! The very concept of "produce" or "cause" implies something exists to cause or produce the being produced. To deny that relationship of cause to effect is to say, "Nothing is something" and Nonbeing is being," which is non-sense. confused When one starts to make exceptions to logic, in his quest for truth, one is no longer observing reality from an objective point of view.


In regards, to the Multiverse Theory... One cannot have an actual infinite number of actual universes, (but only abstract ones).grin



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