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Mar 2, 2009 7:38 AM CST scarry stuff - MI5 ALERT ON RIOTS
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
TOP secret contingency plans have been drawn up to counter the threat posed by a “summer of discontent” in Britain.

The “double-whammy” of the worst economic crisis in living memory and a motley crew of political extremists determined to stir up civil disorder has led to the ­extraordinary step of the Army being put on ­standby.

MI5 and Special Branch are targeting activists they fear could inflame anger over job losses and payouts to failed bankers.

One of the most notorious anarchist websites, Class War, asks: “How to keep warm ­during the credit crunch? Burn a banker.”

Such remarks have rung alarm bells in Scotland Yard and the Ministry of Defence.

Intelligence sources said the police, backed by MI5, are determined to stay on top of a situation that could spiral out of control as the recession bites deep.

The chilling prospect of soldiers being drafted on to the streets has not been discounted, although it is regarded as a last resort.

What worries emergency planners most is that the middle classes, now struggling to cope with unemployment and repossessions, may take to the streets with the disenfranchised.

The source said “this potent cocktail is reminiscent of the poll tax riots which fatally wounded Margaret Thatcher’s government in 1990”.

Last night Scotland Yard vowed it was ready to face any threat. A source said: “We do have a policing plan in place and we have riot police officers trained for such measures.”


But other senior police leaders fear the force will be unable to cope.

Were that to be the case, the ­Government has a contingency plan to deploy troops on the streets of Britain’s major cities.

A senior source said: “This is a very real, and very serious, problem.

“I can tell you there have been crisis talks in Whitehall about this.

“Half the senior officers in Britain have been warning the Home Secretary about the dangerous effects that reducing police manpower may have this summer, especially in the industrial heartlands.

“We are not just talking about the problems of immigration and British jobs for British worker. We are also talking about mass unemployment.

“In many of our industrial cities, this will not be measured in the hundreds, but in the thousands. With unemployment, comes the risk of increased crime. Some forces, such as South Wales, have publically ­stated they would be swamped.

“Others are keeping it quiet, but you can be sure they are trying to make the Home Secretary listen, ­before it’s too late.”

The “protest season” is due to ­begin on April 1 with the G20 Summit in London next month, followed by the 60th anniversary of Nato in Strasbourg a few days later. May Day is also ­potentially a flashpoint.

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Mar 2, 2009 7:38 AM CST scarry stuff - MI5 ALERT ON RIOTS
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
Ministers cannot afford to allow ­latent public anger at Government policy to get out of hand if they are to maintain credibility through what promises to be ­Gordon Brown’s most testing period as Prime Minister.

The Stop the War coalition, orchestrating the G20 protest, said: “The first week of April could be a week of world leaders will never forget.”

The British authorities want to avoid a repeat of the rioting that scarred British cities in the 1980s Then, as now, the country was in recession with rising unemployment and deep public hostility to perceived social divisions.

Today that anger is focused on the banks, with their bonus culture surviving despite billions being paid in taxpayer bail-outs.

This has fomented in the outrage over news that senior executives will be rewarded for their failure.

Sir Fred Goodwin, former boss of RBS, has refused to hand back his £693,000-a-year-pension even as the ailing bank announced a £24billion loss last year, the single largest loss in British corporate history.

Early warnings of trouble ahead came from the furore over last months “British jobs for British workers” protest and wildcat strikes across the country.

This week Britain’s most senior police officer warned that the summer could bring a wave of protests orchestrated by extremists in which ordinary people, fired by their own anger and fear at the economic downturn – became “foot soldiers”.

Superintendent David Hartshorn, who heads the Met’s public order branch, identified the G20 as the possible start of a “summer of rage”.

Murray Benham, head of campaigns at the UK-based World Development Movement, accused Supt Hartshorn of “scaremongering”.

“Scaremongering from the police will not stop us because the price for failing is too high.

“People are understandably angry about the impact of the economic crisis on their jobs, savings and plans for the future.”

Additional reporting by James Fielding



Riots have been happening in other countries and Ive been afraid of it here for a while - seems a shame to have to go to such extremes...........
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Mar 2, 2009 7:51 AM CST scarry stuff - MI5 ALERT ON RIOTS
Da10th
Da10thDa10thThree Springs, Pennsylvania USA17 Threads 2,744 Posts
Oddly enough, here in the states they have our military training for domestic "civil disobedience". Almost like the western countries sense something on the horizon.
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Mar 2, 2009 7:54 AM CST scarry stuff - MI5 ALERT ON RIOTS
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
Da10th: Oddly enough, here in the states they have our military training for domestic "civil disobedience". Almost like the western countries sense something on the horizon.


I reckon its more than they are sensing it here - they armed the police with thousands of tazer guns not long back - its getting worrying........
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Mar 2, 2009 7:57 AM CST scarry stuff - MI5 ALERT ON RIOTS
bodleing
bodleingbodleingGreater Manchester, England UK238 Threads 8 Polls 13,810 Posts
trish123: TOP secret contingency plans have been drawn up to counter the threat posed by a “summer of discontent” in Britain.

The “double-whammy” of the worst economic crisis in living memory and a motley crew of political extremists determined to stir up civil disorder has led to the ­extraordinary step of the Army being put on ­standby.

MI5 and Special Branch are targeting activists they fear could inflame anger over job losses and payouts to failed bankers.

One of the most notorious anarchist websites, Class War, asks: “How to keep warm ­during the credit crunch? Burn a banker.

Such remarks have rung alarm bells in Scotland Yard and the Ministry of Defence.

Intelligence sources said the police, backed by MI5, are determined to stay on top of a situation that could spiral out of control as the recession bites deep.

The chilling prospect of soldiers being drafted on to the streets has not been discounted, although it is regarded as a last resort.

What worries emergency planners most is that the middle classes, now struggling to cope with unemployment and repossessions, may take to the streets with the disenfranchised.

The source said “this potent cocktail is reminiscent of the poll tax riots which fatally wounded Margaret Thatcher’s government in 1990”.

Last night Scotland Yard vowed it was ready to face any threat. A source said: “We do have a policing plan in place and we have riot police officers trained for such measures.”


But other senior police leaders fear the force will be unable to cope.

Were that to be the case, the ­Government has a contingency plan to deploy troops on the streets of Britain’s major cities.

A senior source said: “This is a very real, and very serious, problem.

“I can tell you there have been crisis talks in Whitehall about this.

“Half the senior officers in Britain have been warning the Home Secretary about the dangerous effects that reducing police manpower may have this summer, especially in the industrial heartlands.

“We are not just talking about the problems of immigration and British jobs for British worker. We are also talking about mass unemployment.

“In many of our industrial cities, this will not be measured in the hundreds, but in the thousands. With unemployment, comes the risk of increased crime. Some forces, such as South Wales, have publically ­stated they would be swamped.

“Others are keeping it quiet, but you can be sure they are trying to make the Home Secretary listen, ­before it’s too late.”

The “protest season” is due to ­begin on April 1 with the G20 Summit in London next month, followed by the 60th anniversary of Nato in Strasbourg a few days later. May Day is also ­potentially a flashpoint.

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Have to be careful you dont make a typo with this.

But you wouldnt be far wrong if you did.



laugh
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Mar 2, 2009 7:59 AM CST scarry stuff - MI5 ALERT ON RIOTS
Da10th
Da10thDa10thThree Springs, Pennsylvania USA17 Threads 2,744 Posts
trish123: I reckon its more than they are sensing it here - they armed the police with thousands of tazer guns not long back - its getting worrying........
Regardless of the country, it's easy to give the government power when you want to feel safe (post 9/11 Patriot Act here in the U.S.), but you're going to go through hell taking it from them.

What's sad is, we've gone through so much giving power to the government here in the states in the name of protection in the past 50 years, that they pretty much own the people lock stock & barrel. Don't quite know the way things are in UK, but I know that it's probably similar considering that in the past 50 years, we share a similar history.
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Mar 2, 2009 8:01 AM CST scarry stuff - MI5 ALERT ON RIOTS
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
bodleing: Have to be careful you dont make a typo with this.

But you wouldnt be far wrong if you did.


grin yep, I was thinking similar too laugh thumbs up
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Mar 2, 2009 8:02 AM CST scarry stuff - MI5 ALERT ON RIOTS
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
Da10th: Regardless of the country, it's easy to give the government power when you want to feel safe (post 9/11 Patriot Act here in the U.S.), but you're going to go through hell taking it from them.

What's sad is, we've gone through so much giving power to the government here in the states in the name of protection in the past 50 years, that they pretty much own the people lock stock & barrel. Don't quite know the way things are in UK, but I know that it's probably similar considering that in the past 50 years, we share a similar history.


I think both our countries are pretty similar in this game and the tazer thing brings us closer to being armed too - I guess its one wat to get em to bring the troops home........... uh oh
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Mar 2, 2009 8:05 AM CST scarry stuff - MI5 ALERT ON RIOTS
Da10th
Da10thDa10thThree Springs, Pennsylvania USA17 Threads 2,744 Posts
Sad thing, but, with the way things are going, I am actually saving up to buy a decent assault rifle because, no offense, once things start to go, I don't think it's going to be a slow fall, I think it's going to be like a rock in a lake.
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Mar 2, 2009 8:08 AM CST scarry stuff - MI5 ALERT ON RIOTS
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
Da10th: Sad thing, but, with the way things are going, I am actually saving up to buy a decent assault rifle because, no offense, once things start to go, I don't think it's going to be a slow fall, I think it's going to be like a rock in a lake.


Ive been worried for a while here but didnt think it was so bad over there - what a shame that all the potential could be spoilt by the greed and mismanagement of government......
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Mar 2, 2009 8:09 AM CST scarry stuff - MI5 ALERT ON RIOTS
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
Da10th: Sad thing, but, with the way things are going, I am actually saving up to buy a decent assault rifle because, no offense, once things start to go, I don't think it's going to be a slow fall, I think it's going to be like a rock in a lake.


They disarmed us ages ago and the laws on owning certain breeds of dogs are a bit sus too......
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Mar 2, 2009 8:10 AM CST scarry stuff - MI5 ALERT ON RIOTS
Da10th
Da10thDa10thThree Springs, Pennsylvania USA17 Threads 2,744 Posts
trish123: Ive been worried for a while here but didnt think it was so bad over there - what a shame that all the potential could be spoilt by the greed and mismanagement of government......
It's not that things are that bad, but, there honestly isn't any light at the end of the tunnel as of yet. Projections (which I don't pay attention too because most of the time they are politically motivated) are saying that this "stimulus" that was just pushed through is either going to bring us out, or finish us off. I personally would rather just be ready for the worst, can always sell a rifle if you dont need it, but better to have it and not need it , than need it and not have it.
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Mar 2, 2009 8:10 AM CST scarry stuff - MI5 ALERT ON RIOTS
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA609 Threads 1 Polls 9,196 Posts
Da10th: Sad thing, but, with the way things are going, I am actually saving up to buy a decent assault rifle because, no offense, once things start to go, I don't think it's going to be a slow fall, I think it's going to be like a rock in a lake.


Buy American. grin
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Mar 2, 2009 8:11 AM CST scarry stuff - MI5 ALERT ON RIOTS
Da10th
Da10thDa10thThree Springs, Pennsylvania USA17 Threads 2,744 Posts
Galactic_bodhi: Buy American.


I agree 100%.
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Mar 2, 2009 8:15 AM CST scarry stuff - MI5 ALERT ON RIOTS
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
Da10th: It's not that things are that bad, but, there honestly isn't any light at the end of the tunnel as of yet. Projections (which I don't pay attention too because most of the time they are politically motivated) are saying that this "stimulus" that was just pushed through is either going to bring us out, or finish us off. I personally would rather just be ready for the worst, can always sell a rifle if you dont need it, but better to have it and not need it , than need it and not have it.


Same here, the people are getting tired of empty promises and the stuff with the banks at the moment is really rubbing their noses in it - some folk have lost half of their pensions and life savings while others walk away with disgustingly large pensions, and they just happen to be the people who were involved in the mess in the first place........ I really dont think it will be long before that straw which breaks the camels back falls.......
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Mar 2, 2009 8:18 AM CST scarry stuff - MI5 ALERT ON RIOTS
Da10th
Da10thDa10thThree Springs, Pennsylvania USA17 Threads 2,744 Posts
Don't get me wrong, I have "hope" for the future. But, I'm not depending on my hope to solve the economic crisis either. Just figure it's better to be prepared than not.
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Mar 2, 2009 8:27 AM CST scarry stuff - MI5 ALERT ON RIOTS
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
Da10th: Don't get me wrong, I have "hope" for the future. But, I'm not depending on my hope to solve the economic crisis either. Just figure it's better to be prepared than not.


Im just thinking that if things are as bad as the report suggests and thinking to the PM on the tv a couple of weeks back saying things are going to get worse before they get better then its a pretty bleak outlook - Id love to be wrong here, I really would...........
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Mar 2, 2009 8:48 AM CST scarry stuff - MI5 ALERT ON RIOTS
Da10th
Da10thDa10thThree Springs, Pennsylvania USA17 Threads 2,744 Posts
trish123: Im just thinking that if things are as bad as the report suggests and thinking to the PM on the tv a couple of weeks back saying things are going to get worse before they get better then its a pretty bleak outlook - Id love to be wrong here, I really would...........
You & me boththumbs up
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Mar 2, 2009 8:55 AM CST scarry stuff - MI5 ALERT ON RIOTS
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
trish123: yep, I was thinking similar too
heard,our army,etc.are tested,to see if theyll fire on usa citizens,85%said yes,they others get shipped/15% to war zones,then not reupped,in service.this,could be a wild ride,govt.wants citizens guns here,it would be a mess.
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Mar 2, 2009 8:59 AM CST scarry stuff - MI5 ALERT ON RIOTS
trish123
trish123trish123Macclesfield, Cheshire, England UK177 Threads 4 Polls 13,724 Posts
reb56: heard,our army,etc.are tested,to see if theyll fire on usa citizens,85%said yes,they others get shipped/15% to war zones,then not reupped,in service.this,could be a wild ride,govt.wants citizens guns here,it would be a mess.


wowee, that sounds pretty bad wow
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