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Mar 13, 2009 11:14 AM CST Evolution Says Indians Deserved Death
mylifewithu
mylifewithumylifewithuSpringfield, Missouri USA174 Threads 23,670 Posts
jlw45: we all deserve death...and we're getting closer to it every day ...
Well of course, we are.
Well till those weird movies come true that I watched while growing up. Like Logan's run and Soilent Green. rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing tongue Eeeeeeek
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Mar 13, 2009 11:23 AM CST Evolution Says Indians Deserved Death
emannigol
emannigolemannigolJossakin Pirkanmaalla, Southern Finland Finland356 Posts
galwaydave: darwin married hes cousin haha are your going to listen to him?


Thanks for a red herring fallacy. head banger
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Mar 13, 2009 12:00 PM CST Evolution Says Indians Deserved Death
solitare
solitaresolitareBariloche, Rio Negro Argentina40 Threads 4,041 Posts
Cont. on with Darwin:
For those who might object to the point that the potted notion of science meticulously gathering facts and then coming up with theories to explain them is just an idealized caricature. I can agree with that many fruitful lines of discovery have developed from someone's hatching an idea and then going out into the real world in search of evidence to support or disconfirm it. Collecting all the raw data that the world has to offer is almost an impossible task but some form of filtering criterion has to be applied to know what kind of facts to look for. But ideas at that at stage of development are usually properly termed hypotheses which are supposed to be tentatively held, modestly proclaimed, and highly sensitive to rejection or advancement depending on the findings. This does not at all describe the fanfare of academic effervence and political acclaim that followed Darwin's publication. This was all the more remarkable when the promised plethora of confirmatory evidence failed to materialize, and what kept turning up, continued obstinately to point the wrong way, as to this day.
An essential feature of Darwinian theory was that changes take place gradually as the progressive accumulations of countless advantages selected from the range of variations appearing with every generation over huge spans of time. Sudden major transformations such as from a reptile to a bird or from a fish to a reptile; from a fish fin to a leg, required the chance occurrence of too many changes that had to be just right all at the same time, to be credible. It followed that what we think of as "species" are just as much transitions on their way to whatever they will become in the future as everything making up the line of descent that led to them. Over the huge spans of time involved, therefore, the intermediate forms connecting back to the distant ancestor would be expected to vastly outnumber the descendants identifiable today, and hence to exhibit at least some of these unmistakable signs of the chains of steady improvements that life was supposed to consist of.
What the fossil records actually show over and over again was a pattern of species, orders, and whole phyla appearing suddenly, fully differentiated and specialized, with absolutely no lines of transitionals linking them back to simpler things.
The last ichthyosaurus, marking the disappearance of the genus from the chalk, was barely distinguishable from the earliest ichthyosaurus, which appeared abruptly. The oldest pterodactyl was as fully formed and complete as the latest. This too, was known in Darwin's time, but played down on the grounds that the record was incomplete.
Although the claim is still heard today, it doesn't really wash. The world's fossil collections are far larger now, their representation of the full picture can no longer be doubted, and from the Darwinian view that picture is much worse than it ever was almost two centuries ago.
Moreover, it is upside down compared to what the theory would predict. Instead of a pattern of increasing diversity branching outward in time as new forms emerged, the records show that series of epochs ending abruptly in widespread mass extinctions, followed by rapid re-population with radically new body plans appearing suddenly alongside what had survived of the old. Within these epochs diversity was greatest at the beginning, the initial forms either remaining pretty much the same or becoming extinct as nature worked to winnow out the less-well adapted in the way that had always been maintained.
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Mar 13, 2009 12:33 PM CST Evolution Says Indians Deserved Death
emannigol
emannigolemannigolJossakin Pirkanmaalla, Southern Finland Finland356 Posts
How about shorter posts?
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Mar 13, 2009 12:33 PM CST Evolution Says Indians Deserved Death
norslyman
norslymannorslymanMinneapolis, Minnesota USA21 Threads 151 Posts
For the last time, I respect the Indians. Yes, the smallpox was one of the earliest examples of biological warfare.

Most of the atrocities were carried out by the Spanish Catholics as part of a New World Inquisition - a Papal Bull. Guess what, it's still going on (the Inquisition) that is.

I wish the Indians would use their Reservation status and start doing things like natural Cancer Clinics outside the reach of the FDA - imagine curing people without chemo. Selling non-pasturized whole milk without getting arrested. Organic farms and suing Monsanto if any of THEIR seeds get on their land. Any Feds show up, they're met with a row of shotguns - You have NO authority here! That would be great. "Billy Jack" was one of my favorite movies as a kid.

And I just hope everybody knows that Evolution is soon going to be "tweaked" to include the "Alien Seeding" theory - popularized by Zechariah Sitchin. Most evolutionists themselves say that there is a sudden leap they cannot explain. That is where our "Space Brothers" come in. They helped the human race along - THEY are the "intelligence" behind the design - not God. They are coming back at the time of mankinds greatest need to help us again. The next great leap in the evolution of man, or wer're not going to survive they'll say. It will be hard to argue with FREE ENERGY and a Technoligical Utopia. This will all fit into the New World Religion. Can't deny the UFO stuff is everywhere now. Heck, the History Channel is becoming the UFO channel.

Of course our Space Brothers are really the fallen angels, up to their old tricks. The vast majority will be decieved - even most Christians. If I went back in time 2,000 years with modern technology, I'd look like a god too.
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Mar 13, 2009 12:35 PM CST Evolution Says Indians Deserved Death
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada30 Threads 16,544 Posts
norslyman: For the last time, I respect the Indians. Yes, the smallpox was one of the earliest examples of biological warfare.

Most of the atrocities were carried out by the Spanish Catholics as part of a New World Inquisition - a Papal Bull. Guess what, it's still going on (the Inquisition) that is.

I wish the Indians would use their Reservation status and start doing things like natural Cancer Clinics outside the reach of the FDA - imagine curing people without chemo. Selling non-pasturized whole milk without getting arrested. Organic farms and suing Monsanto if any of THEIR seeds get on their land. Any Feds show up, they're met with a row of shotguns - You have NO authority here! That would be great. "Billy Jack" was one of my favorite movies as a kid.

And I just hope everybody knows that Evolution is soon going to be "tweaked" to include the "Alien Seeding" theory - popularized by Zechariah Sitchin. Most evolutionists themselves say that there is a sudden leap they cannot explain. That is where our "Space Brothers" come in. They helped the human race along - THEY are the "intelligence" behind the design - not God. They are coming back at the time of mankinds greatest need to help us again. The next great leap in the evolution of man, or wer're not going to survive they'll say. It will be hard to argue with FREE ENERGY and a Technoligical Utopia. This will all fit into the New World Religion. Can't deny the UFO stuff is everywhere now. Heck, the History Channel is becoming the UFO channel.

Of course our Space Brothers are really the fallen angels, up to their old tricks. The vast majority will be decieved - even most Christians. If I went back in time 2,000 years with modern technology, I'd look like a god too.



tinfoil hat
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Mar 13, 2009 12:48 PM CST Evolution Says Indians Deserved Death
solitare
solitaresolitareBariloche, Rio Negro Argentina40 Threads 4,041 Posts
Darwin continued:
A myth that has persisted through to modern day biology is that the opposition to Darwin's theory was motivated by religious prejudice. In fact, the strongest criticisms came from ranks of field biologists and naturalists, including many prominent names of the day. It is still, today, very much the same, still on the grounds following from familiarity with the evidence. They saw and still see the vast gulfs of differences that were very real; are very real, and they required something much more solid to bridge them with than Darwin's imagination and religious ideologies.
From the standpoint of just molecular sequencing shows is that exactly as predicted; the same kind of totally disconnected typological ordering, from which evidence of evolution was, is emphatically missing when dealing with DNA structures, and all the amino acid chains that make up proteins and the determinations of those DNA structures as the carriers of hereditary information.
The other main objection to Darwin's theory, which did owe more to theological inclinations than the absence of transitions in the fossil evidence, was that unguided natural processes could not have produced the complexity and perfection that has been seen. Darwin's great claim to fame, of course, was that he had come up with a mechanism that could 'explain' it all.
The best known argument on these lines is William Paley's example of a finding a watch, which he compared in intricacy and the precise interactions of its parts with organs like the eye that are found in nature. It would be inconceivable, Paley asserted, that the watch could have produced and assembled itself, and even if the finder didn't know the purpose of the watch, he would infer it to be the product of a designing intelligence. Likewise, the wondrous adaptions of means to ends
that are found in nature.
An increasing number of scientific and other professionals who have no religious axes to grind are coming to the unavoidable conclusion, purely from the evidence, that the possibility of intelligent design at work is a very real one that warrants serious consideration, and that this should be acknowledged by the educational systems, along with the findings that may be criticisms of the current theory, especially in the US. But any advocacy in this direction is greeted by outrage and outcries from scientific and legal quarters as wanting to 'teach creationism' or 'ban evolution'. It is to be expected that such a movement will atrract those of the narrowest and most fundamentalist persuations. But holding that the only alternative to one extreme is the opposite extreme, and that rejecting or even questioning Darwinism is automatically to insist on a 6,000 year old earth and literal Genesis, imposes an insanely false dichotomy.
Truth doesn't demand a monopoly platform and call for dissent to be expunged from classrooms and libraries or home bookshelves. It welcomes the open exploration of alternatives and grants to others the freedom to state their cases. After all, if wanting to learn the truth is the object, what is there to lose? However, if the real objective, perhaps rationalized to the pont of being unconscious, is to defend a position of cultural authority and prestige, and all the benefits that come with it, then there would be quite a lot to lose indeed!
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Mar 13, 2009 12:51 PM CST Evolution Says Indians Deserved Death
Let's do what natural selection didn't then. We can round up all the Native Americans both South and North and those who are partial and finish them off.

tongue
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Mar 13, 2009 1:06 PM CST Evolution Says Indians Deserved Death
emannigol
emannigolemannigolJossakin Pirkanmaalla, Southern Finland Finland356 Posts
How about shorter posts instead of monology?

solitare: From the standpoint of just molecular sequencing shows is that exactly as predicted; the same kind of totally disconnected typological ordering, from which evidence of evolution was, is emphatically missing when dealing with DNA structures, and all the amino acid chains that make up proteins and the determinations of those DNA structures as the carriers of hereditary information.


In real world DNA is the strongest evidence for evolution.

solitare: The best known argument on these lines is William Paley's example of a finding a watch, which he compared in intricacy and the precise interactions of its parts with organs like the eye that are found in nature. It would be inconceivable, Paley asserted, that the watch could have produced and assembled itself, and even if the finder didn't know the purpose of the watch, he would infer it to be the product of a designing intelligence. Likewise, the wondrous adaptions of means to ends that are found in nature.


This is a classic example of false analogy.

solitare: An increasing number of scientific and other professionals who have no religious axes to grind are coming to the unavoidable conclusion, purely from the evidence, that the possibility of intelligent design at work is a very real one that warrants serious consideration, and that this should be acknowledged by the educational systems, along with the findings that may be criticisms of the current theory, especially in the US.


Like Behe and Demski? Have you heard of Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District case?
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Mar 13, 2009 1:43 PM CST Evolution Says Indians Deserved Death
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
Dawn7z: Let's do what natural selection didn't then. We can round up all the Native Americans both South and North and those who are partial and finish them off.



uh oh wow uh oh
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Mar 13, 2009 2:29 PM CST Evolution Says Indians Deserved Death
jlw45
jlw45jlw45Moyers, Oklahoma USA66 Threads 1 Polls 15,566 Posts
emannigol:
In real world DNA is the strongest evidence for evolution.
actually, DNA points more to a biblical time frame than an evolution time frame....professor
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Mar 13, 2009 2:41 PM CST Evolution Says Indians Deserved Death
emannigol
emannigolemannigolJossakin Pirkanmaalla, Southern Finland Finland356 Posts
jlw45: actually, DNA points more to a biblical time frame than an evolution time frame....


Only by young earth creationists. Maybe you didn't notice that I was referring to the real world.
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Mar 13, 2009 2:42 PM CST Evolution Says Indians Deserved Death
crotalus_p
crotalus_pcrotalus_pRush, Dublin Ireland43 Threads 6 Polls 2,789 Posts
jlw45: actually, DNA points more to a biblical time frame than an evolution time frame....
O please do explain roll eyes
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Mar 13, 2009 2:45 PM CST Evolution Says Indians Deserved Death
BOBANBOBAN
BOBANBOBANBOBANBOBANPozarevac City, Central Serbia Serbia8 Threads 3,464 Posts
Femal live longer then Mal,is evolution traying to tell us something???conversing
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Mar 13, 2009 4:17 PM CST Evolution Says Indians Deserved Death
norslyman
norslymannorslymanMinneapolis, Minnesota USA21 Threads 151 Posts
The young earth is probably what most commonly makes most people disbelieve creation. It is only this earth "age" or epoch that is 6000 years. The earth itself is billions of years old. There was an entire earth age that preceded this one, the earth BECAME void and without form, it wasn't created that way.

But still, man in flesh bodies is still only 6000 years. It is a matter of simple math to take todays population and count exponetially backwards and by the time you get back to 1, it takes about 6000 years.

And here's a big monkeywrench to throw at evolution. What do you have to say about the bones of giants that have been found and covered up. The 12 foot bed of the King of Bashan - did he like lots of legroom?rolling on the floor laughing The GIANT city of Baalbek found in Lebanon, some kind of a joke? The bible alone explains the giants.

Archeological evidence supporting the bible is overwhelming. For evolution it is: go bury some human bones and monkey bones together - wait - go dig them up later and call it a discovery.rolling on the floor laughing
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Mar 13, 2009 4:18 PM CST Evolution Says Indians Deserved Death
Of course I am not being serious Hugz lolrolling on the floor laughing
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Mar 13, 2009 4:19 PM CST Evolution Says Indians Deserved Death
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
Dawn7z: Of course I am not being serious Hugz lol



I was gonna ask where do we line up for our shower next?????


uh oh rolling on the floor laughing doh tongue
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Mar 13, 2009 11:44 PM CST Evolution Says Indians Deserved Death
solitare
solitaresolitareBariloche, Rio Negro Argentina40 Threads 4,041 Posts
solitare: From the standpoint of just molecular sequencing shows is that exactly as predicted; the same kind of totally disconnected typological ordering, from which evidence of evolution was, is emphatically missing when dealing with DNA structures, and all the amino acid chains that make up proteins and the determinations of those DNA structures as the carriers of hereditary information.

In real world DNA is the strongest evidence for evolution.
Post Author: emannigol





I'll say again that the molecular sequences have shown was exactly the same kind of disconnected typological ordering from which evidence of evolution was emphatically missing. In fact it is possible on the basis molecular sequences alone to construct unerringly the same hierarchies that had been arrived at by traditional taxonomic considerations.
Since the 1950's saw the revolution in molecular biology that enabled such advances as sequencing of the amino acid chains that made up proteins, and determination of DNA structure as the carrier of hereditary information. At last, differences could be quantified precisely. The hemoglobin sequences for humans and dogs, for example, both mammals, differed by only 20%, while the comparable figure for humans and carp was 50%. At the same time, different types of protein varied between species by different degrees; the figures for cytochrome' that corresponded to the above comparisons, for instance, being 5 % and 13% respectively. In general, the differences between classes that were observed morphologically were found to be reflected molecularly. This gave rise to high hopes that numerically expressible measures of progressive biochemical divergence would yield the evolutionary tree that the fossil record and morphological comparisons had failed to reveal.
Taking cytochrome 'c' again as an example, whether the group be bacteria, yeasts, plants, insects, mammals, birds, or reptiles, the variations found within the group is typically within 2 or 3 percent, while the rest are the same to within close limits. Thus, the differences between bacterial cytochrome 'c' and that of anything else is 65 percent, silkmoth 65 %; wheat 66%; tuna 65%; yeast 69%, giving no reason to consider any group closer or more distant than another, and therefore no evidence for any sequential order relating them.
A further result of the awareness that has come with modern molecular biology is that the mechanisms by which such functions as DNA to protein transcription, cellular replication and molecular machine construction are achieved can now be described in detail. It doesn't appear that they can have arisen through the process of chance mutation favoured and preserved by selection in the way that the neo-Darwinian theory,(selection-driven evolution wedded to modern genetic theory, formulated in the early part of the 20th century) requires.
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Mar 14, 2009 12:22 AM CST Evolution Says Indians Deserved Death
This is to close to home. My Grandmother, the Indian was given a frontal lobotomy in Washington State. I still have her memories. Anything or anyone for science.
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Mar 14, 2009 1:38 AM CST Evolution Says Indians Deserved Death
rodolpho
rodolphorodolphoamsterdam, North Holland Netherlands30 Threads 3,401 Posts
BOBANBOBAN: Femal live longer then Mal,is evolution traying to tell us something???

yes men shouldnt work their asses of all their life rolling on the floor laughing
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