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Apr 28, 2009 10:23 AM CST Gun Control - Yes/No? Don't Take My Guns!
jlw45
jlw45jlw45Moyers, Oklahoma USA66 Threads 1 Polls 15,566 Posts
mylifewithu: Think about this:
a. The number of physicians in the US is 750,000.
b. Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year is 120,000.
c. Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.
(US Dept. of Health & Human Services)

Then think about this:
a. The number of gun owners in the US is 80,000,000.
b. The number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) is 1,500.
c. The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .0000188.

Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.

Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors
before this gets out of hand. As a public health measure I have withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear that the shock could cause people to seek medical attention.
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Apr 28, 2009 10:24 AM CST Gun Control - Yes/No? Don't Take My Guns!
Here you go the gun ban list. Criminals this doesn't apply to.



Alan Korwin
Infowars
March 13, 2009
Here it is, folks, and it is bad news. The framework for legislation is always laid, and the Democrats have the votes to pass anything they want to impose upon us. They really do not believe you need anything more than a brick to defend your home and family. Look at the list and see how many you own. Remember, it is registration, then confiscation. It has happened in the UK, in Australia, in Europe, in China, and what they have found is that for some reason the criminals do not turn in their weapons, but will know that you did.

Remember, the first step in establishing a dictatorship is to disarm the citizens.

Gun-ban list proposed. Slipping below the radar (or under the short-term memory cap), the Democrats have already leaked a gun-ban list, even under the Bush administration when they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress). It serves as a framework for the new list the Brady’s plan to introduce shortly. I have an outline of the Brady’s current plans and targets of opportunity. It’s horrific. They’re going after the courts, regulatory agencies, firearms dealers and statutes in an all out effort to restrict we the people. They’ve made little mention of criminals. Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical. Gun bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process, confiscated property, states’ rights, free speech, right to assemble and more, in addition to the Second Amendment. The Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse):

Rifles (or copies or duplicates):
M1 Carbine,
Sturm Ruger Mini-14,
AR-15,
Bushmaster XM15,
Armalite M15,
AR-10,
Thompson 1927,
Thompson M1;
AK,
AKM,
AKS,
AK-47,
AK-74,
ARM,
MAK90,
NHM 90,
NHM 91,
SA 85,
SA 93,
VEPR;
Olympic Arms PCR;
AR70,
Calico Liberty ,
Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU,
Fabrique National FN/FAL,
FN/LAR, or FNC,
Hi-Point20Carbine,
HK-91,
HK-93,
HK-94,
HK-PSG-1,
Thompson 1927 Commando,
Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
Saiga,
SAR-8,
SAR-4800,
SKS with detachable magazine,
SLG 95,
SLR 95 or 96,
Steyr AU,
Tavor,
Uzi,
Galil and Uzi Sporter,
Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ).
Pistols (or copies or duplicates):
Calico M-110,
MAC-10,
MAC-11, or MPA3,
Olympic Arms OA,
TEC-9,
TEC-DC9,
TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10,
Uzi.
Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):
Armscor 30 BG,
SPAS 12 or LAW 12,
Striker 12,
Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs):

Continue:
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Apr 28, 2009 10:27 AM CST Gun Control - Yes/No? Don't Take My Guns!
A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see
below),
(iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud.
Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than
10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles).
A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a
detachable magazine, and has:
(i) a second pistol grip,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a barrel shroud or
(iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and
(v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10
rounds.
A semiautomatic shotgun with:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a pistol grip (see definition below),
(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity
of more than 5 rounds, and
(iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits.
Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any “semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General.”

Note that Obama’s pick for this office, Eric Holder, wrote a brief in the Heller case supporting the position that you have no right to have a working firearm in your own home. In making this determination, the bill says, “there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.” In plain English this means that ANY firearm ever obtained by federal officers or the military is not suitable for the public.

The last part is particularly clever, stating that a firearm doesn’t have a sporting purpose just because it can be used for sporting purpose — is that devious or what? And of course, “sporting purpose” is a rights infringement with no constitutional or historical support whatsoever, invented by domestic enemies of the right to keep and bear arms to further their cause of disarming the innocent.

Respectfully submitted, Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America
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Apr 28, 2009 10:29 AM CST Gun Control - Yes/No? Don't Take My Guns!
Goddess4u
Goddess4uGoddess4uThe Capital, Greater London, England UK15 Threads 3,131 Posts
rocketqueen: these stats about australia and especially victoria are wrong!!!!!!!!! go back a couple of pages with the real stats....under my post


I am SO happy to hear that - my beloved Oz can´t be so bad! Cheers thumbs up
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Apr 28, 2009 10:34 AM CST Gun Control - Yes/No? Don't Take My Guns!
jlw45
jlw45jlw45Moyers, Oklahoma USA66 Threads 1 Polls 15,566 Posts
somechick: Here you go the gun ban list. Criminals this doesn't apply to.
Alan Korwin
Infowars
March 13, 2009
Here it is, folks, and it is bad news. The framework for legislation is always laid, and the Democrats have the votes to pass anything they want to impose upon us. They really do not believe you need anything more than a brick to defend your home and family. Look at the list and see how many you own. Remember, it is registration, then confiscation. It has happened in the UK, in Australia, in Europe, in China, and what they have found is that for some reason the criminals do not turn in their weapons, but will know that you did.

Remember, the first step in establishing a dictatorship is to disarm the citizens.

Gun-ban list proposed. Slipping below the radar (or under the short-term memory cap), the Democrats have already leaked a gun-ban list, even under the Bush administration when they knew full well it had no chance of passage (HR 1022, 110th Congress). It serves as a framework for the new list the Brady’s plan to introduce shortly. I have an outline of the Brady’s current plans and targets of opportunity. It’s horrific. They’re going after the courts, regulatory agencies, firearms dealers and statutes in an all out effort to restrict we the people. They’ve made little mention of criminals. Now more than ever, attention to the entire Bill of Rights is critical. Gun bans will impact our freedoms under search and seizure, due process, confiscated property, states’ rights, free speech, right to assemble and more, in addition to the Second Amendment. The Democrats current gun-ban-list proposal (final list will be worse):

Rifles (or copies or duplicates):
M1 Carbine,
Sturm Ruger Mini-14,
AR-15,
Bushmaster XM15,
Armalite M15,
AR-10,
Thompson 1927,
Thompson M1;
AK,
AKM,
AKS,
AK-47,
AK-74,
ARM,
MAK90,
NHM 90,
NHM 91,
SA 85,
SA 93,
VEPR;
Olympic Arms PCR;
AR70,
Calico Liberty ,
Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU,
Fabrique National FN/FAL,
FN/LAR, or FNC,
Hi-Point20Carbine,
HK-91,
HK-93,
HK-94,
HK-PSG-1,
Thompson 1927 Commando,
Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
Saiga,
SAR-8,
SAR-4800,
SKS with detachable magazine,
SLG 95,
SLR 95 or 96,
Steyr AU,
Tavor,
Uzi,
Galil and Uzi Sporter,
Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ).
Pistols (or copies or duplicates):
Calico M-110,
MAC-10,
MAC-11, or MPA3,
Olympic Arms OA,
TEC-9,
TEC-DC9,
TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10,
Uzi.
Shotguns (or copies or duplicates):
Armscor 30 BG,
SPAS 12 or LAW 12,
Striker 12,
Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs):

Continue:
i really hate to burst anybodys bubble but, the republicans have done the same thing with the "patriot act" {or whatever its called}...the wording in it makes militia {the sole purpose of the 2nd amendment} illegal...i've said it before and i'll say it again....same a**hole, different maskgrin
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Apr 28, 2009 10:35 AM CST Gun Control - Yes/No? Don't Take My Guns!
Goddess4u
Goddess4uGoddess4uThe Capital, Greater London, England UK15 Threads 3,131 Posts
Gun control? Using both hands dunno
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Apr 28, 2009 10:37 AM CST Gun Control - Yes/No? Don't Take My Guns!
Goddess4u: Gun control? Using both hands
Yep,the Firearm bucks less that way!devil
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Apr 28, 2009 10:39 AM CST Gun Control - Yes/No? Don't Take My Guns!
jlw45: i really hate to burst anybodys bubble but, the republicans have done the same thing with the "patriot act" {or whatever its called}...the wording in it makes militia {the sole purpose of the 2nd amendment} illegal...i've said it before and i'll say it again....same a**hole, different mask



Hi Joel Did you happen to read the 2nd part of my post?

There's a link at the bottom of the 2nd part of my post where it shows this article came out of a book written by Alan Korwar.
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Apr 28, 2009 10:39 AM CST Gun Control - Yes/No? Don't Take My Guns!
Paradox67
Paradox67Paradox67Collegeville, Pennsylvania USA9 Threads 5 Polls 1,170 Posts
jlw45: i really hate to burst anybodys bubble but, the republicans have done the same thing with the "patriot act" {or whatever its called}...the wording in it makes militia {the sole purpose of the 2nd amendment} illegal...i've said it before and i'll say it again....same a**hole, different mask



correct...the patriot act...and it did nothing to prevent terrorism....only take away rights of law abiding citizen...
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Apr 28, 2009 10:40 AM CST Gun Control - Yes/No? Don't Take My Guns!
somechick: A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see
below),
(iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud.
Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than
10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles).
A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a
detachable magazine, and has:
(i) a second pistol grip,
(ii) a threaded barrel,
(iii) a barrel shroud or
(iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and
(v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10
rounds.
A semiautomatic shotgun with:
(i) a folding or telescoping stock,
(ii) a pistol grip (see definition below),
(iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity
of more than 5 rounds, and
(iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits.
Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any “semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General.”

Note that Obama’s pick for this office, Eric Holder, wrote a brief in the Heller case supporting the position that you have no right to have a working firearm in your own home. In making this determination, the bill says, “there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.” In plain English this means that ANY firearm ever obtained by federal officers or the military is not suitable for the public.

The last part is particularly clever, stating that a firearm doesn’t have a sporting purpose just because it can be used for sporting purpose — is that devious or what? And of course, “sporting purpose” is a rights infringement with no constitutional or historical support whatsoever, invented by domestic enemies of the right to keep and bear arms to further their cause of disarming the innocent.

Respectfully submitted, Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America
We are being set up with a Referendum of a similar sort here in CH.Might come before the People in about a year,and there is a chance it will passsigh uh oh very mad
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Apr 28, 2009 11:04 AM CST Gun Control - Yes/No? Don't Take My Guns!
jlw45
jlw45jlw45Moyers, Oklahoma USA66 Threads 1 Polls 15,566 Posts
mylifewithu: Hello Joel, I looked him up here is what I found on him.

Alan Korwin, author of three books and co-author of seven others, is a full-time freelance writer, consultant and entrepreneur with a twenty-five-year track record. He is a founder and two-term past president of the Arizona Book Publishing Association, which has presented him with its Visionary Leadership award, named in his honor, the Korwin Award. He has received national awards for his publicity work as a member of the Society for Technical Communication, and is a past board member of the Arizona chapter of the Society of Professional Journalists. He is active with the speaker’s bureau for the non-profit, Wash., D.C.-based news-media watchdog, Accuracy In Media.

Working with American Express, Mr. Korwin wrote the executive-level strategic plan that defined that firm’s worldwide telecommunications strategy for the 1990s; he wrote the business plan that raised $5 million in venture capital and launched SkyMall; he did the publicity for Pulitzer Prize cartoonist Steve Benson’s fourth book; and he had a hand in developing ASPED, Arizona’s economic strategic plan. Korwin’s writing appears often in a wide spectrum of local and national publications.

Korwin turned his first book, The Arizona Gun Owner’s Guide, into a self-published best-seller, now in its 23rd edition (2007). With his wife Cheryl he operates Bloomfield Press, which has grown into the largest producer and distributor of gun-law books in the country. It is built around seven books he has completed on the subject, including the unabridged federal guide Gun Laws of America, and a rapidly growing line of related books and DVDs. Supreme Court Gun Cases is his 10th book and landed him on the cover of the 600,000-circulation magazine below. Alan is widely recognized as a leading expert on America's gun laws, and has made nearly 1,000 radio and TV appearances.
hmmm, thanks mylife....i feel like i've known him all my life now..laugh wink ...i did, kinda', get off subject did'nt ilaugh ...i do that from time to time....*{rant emot}*laugh

teddybear
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Apr 28, 2009 11:04 AM CST Gun Control - Yes/No? Don't Take My Guns!
YouTube - CNN- Obama To BAN Guns SPREAD THIS FOLKS, PLZ!
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Apr 28, 2009 11:07 AM CST Gun Control - Yes/No? Don't Take My Guns!
mylifewithu
mylifewithumylifewithuSpringfield, Missouri USA174 Threads 23,670 Posts
jlw45: hmmm, thanks mylife....i feel like i've known him all my life now.. ...i did, kinda', get off subject did'nt i ...i do that from time to time....*{rant emot}*
There is a lot of stuff online to saying his stats are false, and etc. So I don't know if I would believe his stuff for sure. Since so many do that these days to prove their side in something.laugh wave doh
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Apr 28, 2009 11:21 AM CST Gun Control - Yes/No? Don't Take My Guns!
jlw45
jlw45jlw45Moyers, Oklahoma USA66 Threads 1 Polls 15,566 Posts
somechick: YouTube - CNN- Obama To BAN Guns SPREAD THIS FOLKS, PLZ!
i saw this in the "related videos" column....its all about control....it's comming

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Apr 28, 2009 11:23 AM CST Gun Control - Yes/No? Don't Take My Guns!
jlw45
jlw45jlw45Moyers, Oklahoma USA66 Threads 1 Polls 15,566 Posts
mylifewithu: There is a lot of stuff online to saying his stats are false, and etc. So I don't know if I would believe his stuff for sure. Since so many do that these days to prove their side in something.
yea, i agree...stats can be twisted, and have been, to push whatever agenda is being pushedprofessor
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Apr 28, 2009 11:30 AM CST Gun Control - Yes/No? Don't Take My Guns!
mylifewithu
mylifewithumylifewithuSpringfield, Missouri USA174 Threads 23,670 Posts
jlw45: yea, i agree...stats can be twisted, and have been, to push whatever agenda is being pushed
thumbs up wine
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Apr 28, 2009 12:11 PM CST Gun Control - Yes/No? Don't Take My Guns!
jlw45
jlw45jlw45Moyers, Oklahoma USA66 Threads 1 Polls 15,566 Posts
jlw45: i saw this in the "related videos" column....its all about control....it's comming

AAAAND i think this swine flu thing is about control too....all the loosely fitting masks given out by the "caring" millitary, down in mexico, is just dressing for the gulible masses...think of how many people die every year from the flu...there is an agenda going on, that has been going on for a long time...people like to make consperacy theorists out to be nut jobs but....the government OPENLY speaks of one world government now...the first president to mention it was george bush {the 1st}...it's all about control...one rule over the world, goes hand and hand with tyrrany...just because it has a big happy face painted on it now...does'nt mean it wont turn bad...and it will...WAKE UP AMERICA {and everyone else too}YOUR DREAMING!!!....sleep
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Apr 28, 2009 12:51 PM CST Gun Control - Yes/No? Don't Take My Guns!
Here's a letter written by John C. Sigler,president which I found in the NRA's offical journal of the NRA magazine.


Lend Your Voice In Support Of Freedom

As I travel on behalf of the NRA,in my home state of Delaware,throughout Pennsylvania and New York,to Flordia and Texas,Arizona and California,whereever I go I hear a steady drumbeat of concern from gun owners and NRA members like you.
Americans are anxious and concerned.they see the opening moves of the Obama admistration as just the begining of a massive,unprecendented governmental power grab the true scope and consequences of which won't be known for years.As the Obama-Biden-Pelosi government takes ever more control over the direction and policies of our country,many of their like seek to resrict and revoke your most fundamental freedom as a free citizens:your Second Amendment Right to Keep and Bear Arms to protect your life and liberty.Understanding that "gun control isn't about guns-it's about control,"many Americans believe the recent anti-gun proposals in Congress represent just the tip of an enormous,advancing iceburg that could rip apart their freedom like the hull of the Titanic- and they might be right.Politicians from one end of Pennsylvania Avenue to the other-and from Capitol Hill to City Hall- are proposing new attacks on your Right to Keep and Bear Arms.For a glimpse of things to come,consider one proposal now before Congress-H.R. 45,introduced by Rep. Bobby Rush,D-Ill,of Chicago on his first day in session in the new,11th U.S. Congress.Among other things,H.R. 45 would:1. force you to supply fingerprints, photographs and private mental health records,pay fees and pass written tests to get a federal five-year license to own any handgun;2.inforce "safe storage" requirements that could make firearms useless in the home for self-defense;3.outlaw private transfers of firearms between law-biding adults;4.impose federal criminal pentalties for failing to report the loss or theft of a firearm to attorney general witin three days;5.give the attorney a "blank check" to impose more prohibitions, restrictions and requirements on your Second amendment rights at whim,at anytime.
H.R.45 demonstrates an important piece of our opponents'agenda for what could be the most powerful,prolonged attack on your rights in history-and it's no mere concidence that H.R.45 comes from a congressman representing Obama's hometown on the south side of Chicago.Meanwhile,anti-gun bills are advancing in state legislatures nationwide,from proposed bans on .50 caliber target rifles to semi-auto bans,one-gun-a-month rationing of your rights,and the most recent attack on your rights in Illinois-a million-dollar insurance requirement for gun owners-and lots more.Add the fact that many in Congress want to reimpose the so-called "Fairness Doctrine"to strifle dissent and silence radio,TV and Internet crtics of the gun-ban elites plans,and your Second Amendment rights could face disaster.
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Apr 28, 2009 12:57 PM CST Gun Control - Yes/No? Don't Take My Guns!
somechick: Here's a letter written by John C. Sigler,president which I found in the NRA's offical journal of the NRA magazine.Lend Your Voice In Support Of Freedom

As I travel on behalf of the NRA,in my home state of Delaware,throughout Pennsylvania and New York,to Flordia and Texas,Arizona and California,whereever I go I hear a steady drumbeat of concern from gun owners and NRA members like you.
Americans are anxious and concerned.they see the opening moves of the Obama admistration as just the begining of a massive,unprecendented governmental power grab the true scope and consequences of which won't be known for years.As the Obama-Biden-Pelosi government takes ever more control over the direction and policies of our country,many of their like seek to resrict and revoke your most fundamental freedom as a free citizens:your Second Amendment Right to Keep and Bear Arms to protect your life and liberty.Understanding that "gun control isn't about guns-it's about control,"many Americans believe the recent anti-gun proposals in Congress represent just the tip of an enormous,advancing iceburg that could rip apart their freedom like the hull of the Titanic- and they might be right.Politicians from one end of Pennsylvania Avenue to the other-and from Capitol Hill to City Hall- are proposing new attacks on your Right to Keep and Bear Arms.For a glimpse of things to come,consider one proposal now before Congress-H.R. 45,introduced by Rep. Bobby Rush,D-Ill,of Chicago on his first day in session in the new,11th U.S. Congress.Among other things,H.R. 45 would:1. force you to supply fingerprints, photographs and private mental health records,pay fees and pass written tests to get a federal five-year license to own any handgun;2.inforce "safe storage" requirements that could make firearms useless in the home for self-defense;3.outlaw private transfers of firearms between law-biding adults;4.impose federal criminal pentalties for failing to report the loss or theft of a firearm to attorney general witin three days;5.give the attorney a "blank check" to impose more prohibitions, restrictions and requirements on your Second amendment rights at whim,at anytime.
H.R.45 demonstrates an important piece of our opponents'agenda for what could be the most powerful,prolonged attack on your rights in history-and it's no mere concidence that H.R.45 comes from a congressman representing Obama's hometown on the south side of Chicago.Meanwhile,anti-gun bills are advancing in state legislatures nationwide,from proposed bans on .50 caliber target rifles to semi-auto bans,one-gun-a-month rationing of your rights,and the most recent attack on your rights in Illinois-a million-dollar insurance requirement for gun owners-and lots more.Add the fact that many in Congress want to reimpose the so-called "Fairness Doctrine"to strifle dissent and silence radio,TV and Internet crtics of the gun-ban elites plans,and your Second Amendment rights could face disaster.



Just in case anyone wishes to verify this letter by John C. Sigler,president of the NRA I copied it from the May 2009 issue of the American Hunter magazine which the NRA pulishes.
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Apr 28, 2009 1:55 PM CST Gun Control - Yes/No? Don't Take My Guns!
RobbieM
RobbieMRobbieMHertford, Hertfordshire, England UK115 Threads 6 Polls 4,553 Posts


FEMA as i'm sure you know is a Government Funded department that remit is to step in in times of disaster to allow a coordinated management of planning and executing a recovery plan.

It certainly isn't a secret bunch of people to arbitrarily round up Americans and put them in internment camps as the waco conspiracy theorists would have you believe.

Good examples would be the New Orleans flooding (which someone cocked up) and other natural disasters such as when a tornado travels through the midwest making an area a disaster area and is designated a disaster.

Any resources are pulled in, national guard, anyone who's near, but this doesn't mean the governments out to get you!

If you see a black helicopter, that's the default colour before they are sent to combat duty.It's the same right here in the UK. there not secret helicopters by a secret government agency waiting to round up people into camps.
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