Gun Control - Yes/No? Don't Take My Guns! (304)
drbombay: You just said it people kill. Homicides is way out of control so imagine if everyone on earth has a gun, are you for real.
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drbombay: You just said it people kill. Homicides is way out of control so imagine if everyone on earth has a gun, are you for real.
I don't know where you think the "bad guys" get their guns from, a dealer yes, but not a ligitimate gun one..
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For those of you who don't think that this issue is significant, we had to amed the US Constitution and adopt a separate series of Amendments, known as the Bill of Rights, in 1791 to ensure the right of the people to keep and bear arms. It is Amendment #2, right behind the First, which allows the right to speech, assembly and religion.
The salient feature of a free society (economic liberty and political liberty) is the right to own, and defend, private property. One of the first steps towards statism is expropriating private property, and along with it, an individual's right to defend it against the State, agents of the State, or others who do not respect property rights.
The salient feature of a free society (economic liberty and political liberty) is the right to own, and defend, private property. One of the first steps towards statism is expropriating private property, and along with it, an individual's right to defend it against the State, agents of the State, or others who do not respect property rights.
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Tater: I don't know where you think the "bad guys" get their guns from, a dealer yes, but not a ligitimate gun one.. besides people rob people who could be the easiest "mark" but if the robber thought there was a possibilty of getting himself killed in the process, they might rethink that robbery..
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Tater: I don't know where you think the "bad guys" get their guns from, a dealer yes, but not a ligitimate gun one.. besides people rob people who could be the easiest "mark" but if the robber thought there was a possibilty of getting himself killed in the process, they might rethink that robbery..
Yeah the crooks don't mess with any of our citizens that carry their guns on their hips.
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This topic seems to have everyone fired up.
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TheresMyFriend: Sent to me by a friend, sharing with my friends here on CS!
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1. million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500
million dollars. The first year results are now in:
List of 7 items:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent. Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent. Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.
There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort, and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.
You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.
With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.
During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun control message to all of your friends.
The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the
brain. All else is supplemental.
SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN! SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE. SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1. million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500
million dollars. The first year results are now in:
List of 7 items:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent. Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent. Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.
There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort, and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.
You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.
With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.
During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun control message to all of your friends.
The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the
brain. All else is supplemental.
SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN! SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE. SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
i have the stats for australia....please dont use us in your debate for your agenda.......
AND IF YOU DO, GET YER FACTS STRAIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HERE IT IS FOR ALL TO SEE.........
AND THIS TO POINT OUT THE HOMICIDE RATE.....
The homicide rate was 1.9 per 100,000 in 1996 (which includes the 35 victims of the Port Arthur massacre) and was at its highest in 1999, at 2.0 per 100,000. In 2007, the rate was 1.3 per 100,000, the lowest recorded (since 1996).
1996 (AFTER THE PORT ARTHUR MASSACRE) BEING THE YEAR THE GUN-AMNESTY WAS BOUGHT IN
AND YES WE ARE NOT FULLY DISARMED, BUT CANNOT HAVE SEMI-AUTOMATICS AND HANDGUNS LEGALLY
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I believe in gun control, if one hand doesn't do it use both hands. The other nite I wanted to see if my guns were dangerous or the homicidal type so I layed some of them on the table and sat and watched them all nite long and none of them moved an inch, very well behaved.
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drbombay: I doubt it very much with all things considered--walk in any police officers shoes and then come talk to me
How many police officers do you know that have been robbed, while they were in uniform with their gun on their side??? Please tell me it is in the thousands.....
why do you think they don't get robbed??? what because the are this big bad tough guy......NO, it is because they have a gun.. 
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shimmi: I believe in gun control, if one hand doesn't do it use both hands. The other nite I wanted to see if my guns were dangerous or the homicidal type so I layed some of them on the table and sat and watched them all nite long and none of them moved an inch, very well behaved.
Well it is obvious to me that you raised them right
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sxc666: This topic seems to have everyone fired up.
Get the guns ready, we might have to do crowd control 
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mylifewithu: Get the guns ready, we might have to do crowd control
Does that include shooting off at our mouths. ------ This thread is Archived ------
Gun ownership is a cultural thing.
In the UK I am more than happy NOT to have the right to bear arms; in fact I am pleased not to have been tempted to 'blow away' a few people who got right up my nose!
I was a soldier for 13.5 years - in the British Army we have things called 'armouries' where all weapons are safely locked up when not in use.
Different strokes for different folks.
I note one post saying as a gun bearer he was a citizen and not a subject.............. in this particular case I prefer to be a British subject.
In the UK I am more than happy NOT to have the right to bear arms; in fact I am pleased not to have been tempted to 'blow away' a few people who got right up my nose!
I was a soldier for 13.5 years - in the British Army we have things called 'armouries' where all weapons are safely locked up when not in use.
Different strokes for different folks.
I note one post saying as a gun bearer he was a citizen and not a subject.............. in this particular case I prefer to be a British subject.
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NordicSkier: For those of you who don't think that this issue is significant, we had to amed the US Constitution and adopt a separate series of Amendments, known as the Bill of Rights, in 1791 to ensure the right of the people to keep and bear arms. It is Amendment #2, right behind the First, which allows the right to speech, assembly and religion.
The salient feature of a free society (economic liberty and political liberty) is the right to own, and defend, private property. One of the first steps towards statism is expropriating private property, and along with it, an individual's right to defend it against the State, agents of the State, or others who do not respect property rights.
Yes that is correct but was written over 200 yrs. ago with quite a difference in population which I believe our forefathers knowing the present day would have definitely have a different view.The salient feature of a free society (economic liberty and political liberty) is the right to own, and defend, private property. One of the first steps towards statism is expropriating private property, and along with it, an individual's right to defend it against the State, agents of the State, or others who do not respect property rights.
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sxc666: Does that include shooting off at our mouths.
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........J.D
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sxc666: Does that include shooting off at our mouths.
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drbombay: Yes that is correct but was written over 200 yrs. ago with quite a difference in population which I believe our forefathers knowing the present day would have definitely have a different view.
.......Is that right..????..Personally ,I think the America 'Fore Fathers' of America would be turning in there Graves to see whats happening in America at this present moment,with the erosion of your 'Freedoms',and here in New Zealand as well....And I do not mean this as an insult to the average America Citizen......
J.D
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rusty_knight: Gun ownership is a cultural thing.
In the UK I am more than happy NOT to have the right to bear arms; in fact I am pleased not to have been tempted to 'blow away' a few people who got right up my nose!
I was a soldier for 13.5 years - in the British Army we have things called 'armouries' where all weapons are safely locked up when not in use.
Different strokes for different folks.
I note one post saying as a gun bearer he was a citizen and not a subject.............. in this particular case I prefer to be a British subject.
In the UK I am more than happy NOT to have the right to bear arms; in fact I am pleased not to have been tempted to 'blow away' a few people who got right up my nose!
I was a soldier for 13.5 years - in the British Army we have things called 'armouries' where all weapons are safely locked up when not in use.
Different strokes for different folks.
I note one post saying as a gun bearer he was a citizen and not a subject.............. in this particular case I prefer to be a British subject.
yep i dont believe i am an australian 'subject' neither, and i think we all would take offence to the fact if you thought countries with strict gun control ARE subjects to their governments..............
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mylifewithu: Yeah the crooks don't mess with any of our citizens that carry their guns on their hips.
You got that right...that is just where mine stays at all times!
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I personally don't have a clue how many guns I actually have. My spouse was a police lieutenant who served his community for 18 years before he died. I have his gun collection locked in gun cabinets for my son when he's old enough to decide what he'd like to do with them. I have my own handgun that I do know how to use also....
As for my opinion on guns in the hands of criminals... if a person has an evil mind with the intent to harm they will find a way with or with out a gun. As a single, hardworking mother I have the peace of mind knowing my gun is there if I need it to protect my family.