Gun Control - Yes/No? Don't Take My Guns! (304)
jessejess47ogdensburg, New York USA35 Threads 1 Polls 3,886 Postsvinny1967: It would be one brave man............
there you go vinny ,you may be a lot of things but you sure are not dumb....
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vinny1967: Hi D~
I don't think this is necessarily correct.
Pure logic would tell me that the more guns there are, the more killings there are, and surely we should be tryin to eradicate the most heinous of crimes first.
Also the case about Washington State bewilders me.
Would the easy access of guns just accross the border make it easy for people to purchase them. Ok they may have to drive a few miles but they can still be bought very easily.
Hope your well............
Washington D.C. is not Washington State Vinny.D.C. is the capital here and is near Maryland ,Jersey, ect......I don't think this is necessarily correct.
Pure logic would tell me that the more guns there are, the more killings there are, and surely we should be tryin to eradicate the most heinous of crimes first.
Also the case about Washington State bewilders me.
Would the easy access of guns just accross the border make it easy for people to purchase them. Ok they may have to drive a few miles but they can still be bought very easily.
Hope your well............
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vinny1967: Your right RQ and I forgot that.
Doesn't seem any need for that now though............JMO
Better safe than sorry Vinny....Doesn't seem any need for that now though............JMO
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jessejess47: Washington D.C. is not Washington State Vinny.D.C. is the capital here and is near Maryland ,Jersey, ect......
Ta and sorry I knew that.......
Just quoted State instead of D.C.......
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vinny1967: Hi D~
I don't think this is necessarily correct.
Pure logic would tell me that the more guns there are, the more killings there are, and surely we should be tryin to eradicate the most heinous of crimes first.
Also the case about Washington State bewilders me.
Would the easy access of guns just accross the border make it easy for people to purchase them. Ok they may have to drive a few miles but they can still be bought very easily.
Hope your well............
I don't think this is necessarily correct.
Pure logic would tell me that the more guns there are, the more killings there are, and surely we should be tryin to eradicate the most heinous of crimes first.
Also the case about Washington State bewilders me.
Would the easy access of guns just accross the border make it easy for people to purchase them. Ok they may have to drive a few miles but they can still be bought very easily.
Hope your well............
John Lott, Jr. wrote a book about the statistics titled "More Guns Less Crime" because it's true. Washington DC (which is not the same as Washington State, they're on opposite sides of the country) finally repealed its ban on gun ownership, and the drop in armed crime there has been dramatic. The more gun ownership there is in a state, the fewer crimes there are because criminals fear the armed citizen more than they fear the police...the armed citizen doesn't need to warn you before s/he shoots like the police do since an armed criminal has directly threatened their life.
It wasn't just illegal to purchase guns in Washington, DC, it was illegal to own them at all.
Gun control laws don't stop criminals from owning guns, they prevent law-abiding citizens from being able to defend themselves. And the first crime ever committed with an assault rifle was after ownership of them was banned. Very effective in preventing crime, wasn't it.
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vinny1967: Ta and sorry I knew that.......
Just quoted State instead of D.C.......
easy to do I am sure....Just quoted State instead of D.C.......
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jessejess47: your beating a dead horse Dru ,just keep your weapons and dare anyone try to take them.....
Oh, I will...and die to help others keep them if necessary. In the meantime, I'll try to help others see why.
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druidess6308: Oh, I will...and die to help others keep them if necessary. In the meantime, I'll try to help others see why.
well that is the Dru we all love .....
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jessejess47: well that is the Dru we all love .....
Thank you, Jesse. I stand by my convictions at all times. And believe me, after all I've been through, I'll never be left defenseless again.
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druidess6308: John Lott, Jr. wrote a book about the statistics titled "More Guns Less Crime" because it's true. Washington DC (which is not the same as Washington State, they're on opposite sides of the country) finally repealed its ban on gun ownership, and the drop in armed crime there has been dramatic. The more gun ownership there is in a state, the fewer crimes there are because criminals fear the armed citizen more than they fear the police...the armed citizen doesn't need to warn you before s/he shoots like the police do since an armed criminal has directly threatened their life.
It wasn't just illegal to purchase guns in Washington, DC, it was illegal to own them at all.
Gun control laws don't stop criminals from owning guns, they prevent law-abiding citizens from being able to defend themselves. And the first crime ever committed with an assault rifle was after ownership of them was banned. Very effective in preventing crime, wasn't it.
It wasn't just illegal to purchase guns in Washington, DC, it was illegal to own them at all.
Gun control laws don't stop criminals from owning guns, they prevent law-abiding citizens from being able to defend themselves. And the first crime ever committed with an assault rifle was after ownership of them was banned. Very effective in preventing crime, wasn't it.
D~ to be honest there are so many guns in circulation in the US it could take a century to retrieve them all, so sporadic bannings in certain states are not true statistics to my mind.
I am talking Deaths, not crimes and when it comes to killings it has been proven that the countries, where it is legal to purchase guns there are more deaths.........
Again I will quote
America and Gun Violence
* Every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence. (Coalition to Stop Gun Violence)
* The rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)
* American kids are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to die from a firearm accident than children in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control)
It seems fairly obvious to me.
As regards the US I really think its more a part of your culture now. People have been raised with guns and I completely understand that guns are now a fabric of their way of life and I for one would never advocate that be taken away. I see Intelligent posters here , like yourself advocating their right.
But the problem I see is people hide behind statistics of crime and their constitution when it comes to this, and the reality is needless people die every year because of the gun laws. That is fact.
And you could have said hello............
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Enforce the laws that we have and add 10 or 15 years if a gun is used in a crime. Every state has strick laws but the liberals are worried about the rights of the criminal. If you look up gun laws in each state and transporting a firearm in each state you will see that we have gun control. I want to be able to hunt with may dogs and protect my family. I only need my pump shotgun to do both and I will not be giving it up. We need Movie and Video game control this is the TRASH that is teaching the childern how to solve their problems....by using weapons.
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vinny1967: D~ to be honest there are so many guns in circulation in the US it could take a century to retrieve them all, so sporadic bannings in certain states are not true statistics to my mind.
I am talking Deaths, not crimes and when it comes to killings it has been proven that the countries, where it is legal to purchase guns there are more deaths.........
Again I will quote
America and Gun Violence
* Every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence. (Coalition to Stop Gun Violence)
* The rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)
* American kids are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to die from a firearm accident than children in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control)
It seems fairly obvious to me.
As regards the US I really think its more a part of your culture now. People have been raised with guns and I completely understand that guns are now a fabric of their way of life and I for one would never advocate that be taken away. I see Intelligent posters here , like yourself advocating their right.
But the problem I see is people hide behind statistics of crime and their constitution when it comes to this, and the reality is needless people die every year because of the gun laws. That is fact.
And you could have said hello............
I am talking Deaths, not crimes and when it comes to killings it has been proven that the countries, where it is legal to purchase guns there are more deaths.........
Again I will quote
America and Gun Violence
* Every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence. (Coalition to Stop Gun Violence)
* The rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)
* American kids are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to die from a firearm accident than children in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control)
It seems fairly obvious to me.
As regards the US I really think its more a part of your culture now. People have been raised with guns and I completely understand that guns are now a fabric of their way of life and I for one would never advocate that be taken away. I see Intelligent posters here , like yourself advocating their right.
But the problem I see is people hide behind statistics of crime and their constitution when it comes to this, and the reality is needless people die every year because of the gun laws. That is fact.
And you could have said hello............
Sorry, Vinny...hello, luv.
Stressed...dad's coming over and I'm trying to finish cleaning my house in time. No excuse for not saying hello to a friend. Some of those stats, like the one about 80 Americans a day dying from gun violence are about armed crime, and thereby criminals. Gun control laws don't affect them because they buy them on the black market, and many of those guns come from the police themselves. We have crooked cops who sell the guns they confiscate.
The ones about deaths of kids under 15 yrs of age don't tell you that most of those are gang shootings, and happen in mostly in the ghettos, not normal urban and rural neighborhoods. Most of these "facts" are used by the advocates for gun control, and don't tell you a break down of ghettos where gang, drug, and criminal activity are high and children kill children vs. areas that this isn't true, so it's all lumped together.
I grew up in a house with a loaded gun in it, and so have my sons. Respect for those guns was taught at an early age, as was safety...as in "don't touch any gun, it could be loaded".
Sadly, we have areas here with very high crime rates, and young children are criminals there too. I say treat the problem at its root, not outlaw guns.
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vinny1967: D~ to be honest there are so many guns in circulation in the US it could take a century to retrieve them all, so sporadic bannings in certain states are not true statistics to my mind.
I am talking Deaths, not crimes and when it comes to killings it has been proven that the countries, where it is legal to purchase guns there are more deaths.........
Again I will quote
America and Gun Violence
* Every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence. (Coalition to Stop Gun Violence)
* The rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)
* American kids are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to die from a firearm accident than children in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control)
It seems fairly obvious to me.
As regards the US I really think its more a part of your culture now. People have been raised with guns and I completely understand that guns are now a fabric of their way of life and I for one would never advocate that be taken away. I see Intelligent posters here , like yourself advocating their right.
But the problem I see is people hide behind statistics of crime and their constitution when it comes to this, and the reality is needless people die every year because of the gun laws. That is fact.
And you could have said hello............
I am talking Deaths, not crimes and when it comes to killings it has been proven that the countries, where it is legal to purchase guns there are more deaths.........
Again I will quote
America and Gun Violence
* Every day, more than 80 Americans die from gun violence. (Coalition to Stop Gun Violence)
* The rate of firearm deaths among kids under age 15 is almost 12 times higher in the United States than in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)
* American kids are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun, 11 times more likely to commit suicide with a gun, and nine times more likely to die from a firearm accident than children in 25 other industrialized countries combined. (Centers for Disease Control)
It seems fairly obvious to me.
As regards the US I really think its more a part of your culture now. People have been raised with guns and I completely understand that guns are now a fabric of their way of life and I for one would never advocate that be taken away. I see Intelligent posters here , like yourself advocating their right.
But the problem I see is people hide behind statistics of crime and their constitution when it comes to this, and the reality is needless people die every year because of the gun laws. That is fact.
And you could have said hello............
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Conrad73: Who said anything about strapping on a Gun,except maybe some of the Anti-Gunners to make a bit more drama!
Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson ~
One of the Founding Fathers of the USofA.
Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson ~
One of the Founding Fathers of the USofA.
Like I said its a cultural thing. It really does depend on where you live and under what circumstances. Its not part of my culture to go out and buy guns unless you're a business man or a criminal that's just how it is. You'd be hard pressed to find an average home here that had even one gun in it. My dad and grandfather were both police officers and my dad allowed me to hold his gun once. It didn't make me feel either or either way. I suppose both sides have their arguements for and against. But you can't miss something you never had and I would hope to God that things never got to the point that I felt I NEEDED one.
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tainogirl: Like I said its a cultural thing. It really does depend on where you live and under what circumstances. Its not part of my culture to go out and buy guns unless you're a business man or a criminal that's just how it is. You'd be hard pressed to find an average home here that had even one gun in it. My dad and grandfather were both police officers and my dad allowed me to hold his gun once. It didn't make me feel either or either way. I suppose both sides have their arguements for and against. But you can't miss something you never had and I would hope to God that things never got to the point that I felt I NEEDED one.
It is not a need for me it is a want,I don't shoot people ,I don't rob stores ,I don't even hunt, so why should I be punished for what others do? 
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I still prefer a country with strict gun laws and very few of the damn things running about.
Like where i live....
Like where i live....
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gozoman2: I still prefer a country with strict gun laws and very few of the damn things running about.
Like where i live....
Like where i live....
Gozo, in a perfect world, we wouldn't need them at all. Some day maybe I can retire to such a place where even the criminals don't exist, or aren't armed with guns.
In the meantime, I'll keep my right to defend myself against those criminals.
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gozoman2: I still prefer a country with strict gun laws and very few of the damn things running about.
Like where i live....
Where I live the crime rate is almost none except for drugs, we have had one murder in fifty years here, maybe even longer.And that was over drugs and was committed with a baseball bat,Almost everyone in my city hunts,and most everyone owns a gun,accidents are the only ones we hear about, as in hunting accidents. Maybe where some of you live there is not any hunting or skeet shooting ,but it is a sport and it is an olympic sport at that. What is the big deal. you folks across the big pond say to us all the time that we should not believe what we are told in the media, maybe some of you should do the same when your countries say things about guns.You wish for us to have an open mind ,maybe some of ya'll should do the same. I understand some do not like guns, some do not like pot some do not like beer. It is all just a matter of personal outlook. Like where i live....
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trixy: thats why we have armies to protect us/in england yu walk out in public whith a hand gun yu can be assured yu will be shot down/thats what it should be like around the globe peace/not death
So, what you're saying is that a person carrying a gun is shot down with no questions asked. Doesn't sound like a place I'd want to live. Here in the US, a person is innocent until proven guilty
It's be a cold day in hell before I turn my guns in. With 6 acres of land in northern NH, I'll bury my weapons before giving them up
Earl
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trixy: well put destroye all guns /guns are for people who carnt defend them selfs/cowards
Sounds like a particular early cs member who was banned from here. She considered all gun owners to be cowards as well.
My guns are primarily used for putting food on the table, self-defense secondary
Earl
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