Gun Control - Yes/No? Don't Take My Guns! (304)
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The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.
With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.
During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun control message to all of your friends.
The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the
brain. All else is supplemental.
SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN! SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE. SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.
With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.
During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun control message to all of your friends.
The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the
brain. All else is supplemental.
SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN! SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE. SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
That's all true.
I am against gun control.
But on the other hand, just as guns, in themselves, don't commit crimes, likewise guns in themselves can't reduce violence.
It is the violent mentality of the people that is the real problem, and an armed society that is insanely agitated toward violence is going to be at least as dangerous a situation as a totally disarmed society.
It is the TVs, the magazines, the media, the preachers and all the other means by which the public is being driven toward paranoia greed and violence that should all be banned.
But that's not likely to happen.
I see a bad moon a-rising.
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RayfromUSA: That's all true.
I am against gun control.
But on the other hand, just as guns, in themselves, don't commit crimes, likewise guns in themselves can't reduce violence.
It is the violent mentality of the people that is the real problem, and an armed society that is insanely agitated toward violence is going to be at least as dangerous a situation as a totally disarmed society.
It is the TVs, the magazines, the media, the preachers and all the other means by which the public is being driven toward paranoia greed and violence that should all be banned.
But that's not likely to happen.
I see a bad moon a-rising.
I am against gun control.
But on the other hand, just as guns, in themselves, don't commit crimes, likewise guns in themselves can't reduce violence.
It is the violent mentality of the people that is the real problem, and an armed society that is insanely agitated toward violence is going to be at least as dangerous a situation as a totally disarmed society.
It is the TVs, the magazines, the media, the preachers and all the other means by which the public is being driven toward paranoia greed and violence that should all be banned.
But that's not likely to happen.
I see a bad moon a-rising.
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jessejess47: It is not a need for me it is a want,I don't shoot people ,I don't rob stores ,I don't even hunt, so why should I be punished for what others do?
In most things I tend to be a live and let live kind of person. I know what I want for myself but I would not want to impose that on others. I've learnt from observation that arguing the pro or cons of many things on here is a road that often leads to nowhere. So the only thing left to say is this, If for reasons of self-defence, hunting etc... you wish to own a gun, then once you obey the laws regarding ownership feel free to own one. If you feel your right to own one is being taken away from you then feel free to defend yourselves against that.
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The op's supposition seems to refer to a population
defending themselves from their government.
A serious and frightening thought.
Quite something else to what is being argued here.
The pros and cons of gun ownership to protect from
criminals is one thing, but if you want your guns
to repel fascist leaders, thats another story entirely.
Which one is it?
defending themselves from their government.
A serious and frightening thought.
Quite something else to what is being argued here.
The pros and cons of gun ownership to protect from
criminals is one thing, but if you want your guns
to repel fascist leaders, thats another story entirely.
Which one is it?
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bodleing: The op's supposition seems to refer to a population
defending themselves from their government.
A serious and frightening thought.
Quite something else to what is being argued here.
The pros and cons of gun ownership to protect from
criminals is one thing, but if you want your guns
to repel fascist leaders, thats another story entirely.
Which one is it?
It can't happen Here.defending themselves from their government.
A serious and frightening thought.
Quite something else to what is being argued here.
The pros and cons of gun ownership to protect from
criminals is one thing, but if you want your guns
to repel fascist leaders, thats another story entirely.
Which one is it?
Sinclair Lewis.
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Conrad73: It can't happen Here.
Sinclair Lewis.
Sinclair Lewis.
Just watch out for Politicians with dodgy names.
Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip,
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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500
million dollars. The first year results are now in:
List of 7 items:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent. Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent. Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.
There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort, and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.
You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.
With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.
During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun control message to all of your friends.
The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the
brain. All else is supplemental.
SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN! SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE. SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
That makes appalling reading..........And I was thinking how much I love Australia and, in particular, Victoria! My goodness,,,,
million dollars. The first year results are now in:
List of 7 items:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent. Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent. Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.
There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort, and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.
You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.
With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.
During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun control message to all of your friends.
The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the
brain. All else is supplemental.
SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN! SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE. SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
That makes appalling reading..........And I was thinking how much I love Australia and, in particular, Victoria! My goodness,,,,
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bodleing: The op's supposition seems to refer to a population
defending themselves from their government.
A serious and frightening thought.
Quite something else to what is being argued here.
The pros and cons of gun ownership to protect from
criminals is one thing, but if you want your guns
to repel fascist leaders, thats another story entirely.
Which one is it?
defending themselves from their government.
A serious and frightening thought.
Quite something else to what is being argued here.
The pros and cons of gun ownership to protect from
criminals is one thing, but if you want your guns
to repel fascist leaders, thats another story entirely.
Which one is it?
Morning Bodleing,
My original post was to bring light to our Gov maybe wanting to erase my/your privilege of the 2nd amendment.
Having been a police officer in the past...I for one...know an officer cannot be everywhere all the time. And to take away my right to bear arms...is(in my opinion)putting me(my family) in jeopardy. I feel as if we should have that right to protect our own(person, family, property).
As for as the repel fascist leaders...never crossed my mind. You have a great week where your at... and you make a good point in your post.
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TheresMyFriend: Morning Bodleing,
My original post was to bring light to our Gov maybe wanting to erase my/your privilege of the 2nd amendment.
Having been a police officer in the past...I for one...know an officer cannot be everywhere all the time. And to take away my right to bear arms...is(in my opinion)putting me(my family) in jeopardy. I feel as if we should have that right to protect our own(person, family, property).
As for as the repel fascist leaders...never crossed my mind. You have a great week where your at... and you make a good point in your post.
My original post was to bring light to our Gov maybe wanting to erase my/your privilege of the 2nd amendment.
Having been a police officer in the past...I for one...know an officer cannot be everywhere all the time. And to take away my right to bear arms...is(in my opinion)putting me(my family) in jeopardy. I feel as if we should have that right to protect our own(person, family, property).
As for as the repel fascist leaders...never crossed my mind. You have a great week where your at... and you make a good point in your post.
Had to go back to the op to make sure I wasnt
posting in the wrong thread.
Bit confused by your post.
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I hear that "it's no longer relevant" argument all the time. It's more important now because there is more property to protect and more misfits that want to get their hands on it. Criminals can only exist where there are victims. If there is nothing to loot, they cannot exist. Disarming the law abiding citizenry only empowers the criminal, not the innocent.
Particularly since the "difference in population" includes those who come from countries where property rights are NOT respected. Some come here, legally, play by the rule of law and assimilate into society and respect property rights. Others don't. They believe that they have just as much right to your wallet, your car, your household goods, or your life as the nasty regime that they left behind. They left it because the State was a bigger crook than they were (i.e, had more resources), so they simply opted to go somewhere else and ply their trade where the state wouldn't interfere (or presented less risk).
Particularly since the "difference in population" includes those who come from countries where property rights are NOT respected. Some come here, legally, play by the rule of law and assimilate into society and respect property rights. Others don't. They believe that they have just as much right to your wallet, your car, your household goods, or your life as the nasty regime that they left behind. They left it because the State was a bigger crook than they were (i.e, had more resources), so they simply opted to go somewhere else and ply their trade where the state wouldn't interfere (or presented less risk).
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TheresMyFriend: Morning Bodleing,
My original post was to bring light to our Gov maybe wanting to erase my/your privilege of the 2nd amendment.
Having been a police officer in the past...I for one...know an officer cannot be everywhere all the time. And to take away my right to bear arms...is(in my opinion)putting me(my family) in jeopardy. I feel as if we should have that right to protect our own(person, family, property).
As for as the repel fascist leaders...never crossed my mind. You have a great week where your at... and you make a good point in your post.
IT IS NOT A PRIVILEGE;IT IS A RIGHT!!!!My original post was to bring light to our Gov maybe wanting to erase my/your privilege of the 2nd amendment.
Having been a police officer in the past...I for one...know an officer cannot be everywhere all the time. And to take away my right to bear arms...is(in my opinion)putting me(my family) in jeopardy. I feel as if we should have that right to protect our own(person, family, property).
As for as the repel fascist leaders...never crossed my mind. You have a great week where your at... and you make a good point in your post.
BIG Difference!
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bodleing: Had to go back to the op to make sure I wasnt
posting in the wrong thread.
Bit confused by your post.
posting in the wrong thread.
Bit confused by your post.
All I was saying is that we should not be stripped of the opportunity to protect ourselves and family from those who want to do us harm.
We can't rely on protection from the authorities all the time...they can't be everywhere all the time.
So, sometimes we may have to step up, and protect ourselves. I hope this un-confuses you.
Anyway...this thread has gone a lot further than I thought it would. I found it had a lot of good input, as well as bad...so, I guess that makes for a good conversation.
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I've been demoralized too many times
But now I realize, Ah ah, no more.
I'm gonna get me a gun
I'm gonna get me a gun
And all those people who put me down
You better get ready to run,
Cuz I'm gonna get me a gun
So you think you can push me around
And make me run
Well I'm gonna tell you now
I'm gonna get me a gun
I'm gonna get me a gun
And all those people who put me down
You better get ready to run,
Cuz I'm gonna get me a gun
But now I realize, Ah ah, no more.
I'm gonna get me a gun
I'm gonna get me a gun
And all those people who put me down
You better get ready to run,
Cuz I'm gonna get me a gun
So you think you can push me around
And make me run
Well I'm gonna tell you now
I'm gonna get me a gun
I'm gonna get me a gun
And all those people who put me down
You better get ready to run,
Cuz I'm gonna get me a gun
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Conrad73: IT IS NOT A PRIVILEGE;IT IS A RIGHT!!!!
BIG Difference!
BIG Difference!
Ah, true Conrad...your right...my fault.
But let a good ol'boy loose with a keyboard and high-speed internet...he's liable to get his word/meaning turned around.
Maybe I should try the dial-up connection...that way...I can keep up with myself.
Good catch on your part.
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Goddess4u: It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500
million dollars. The first year results are now in:
List of 7 items:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent. Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent. Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.
There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort, and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.
You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.
With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.
During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun control message to all of your friends.
The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the
brain. All else is supplemental.
SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN! SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE. SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
That makes appalling reading..........And I was thinking how much I love Australia and, in particular, Victoria! My goodness,,,,
million dollars. The first year results are now in:
List of 7 items:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent. Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent. Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.
There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort, and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.
You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.
With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.
During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun control message to all of your friends.
The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the
brain. All else is supplemental.
SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN! SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE. SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
That makes appalling reading..........And I was thinking how much I love Australia and, in particular, Victoria! My goodness,,,,
See what happens when you are a goddess? You get to see everything as it really is!
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TheresMyFriend: Ah, true Conrad...your right...my fault.
But let a good ol'boy loose with a keyboard and high-speed internet...he's liable to get his word/meaning turned around.
Maybe I should try the dial-up connection...that way...I can keep up with myself.
Good catch on your part.
But let a good ol'boy loose with a keyboard and high-speed internet...he's liable to get his word/meaning turned around.
Maybe I should try the dial-up connection...that way...I can keep up with myself.
Good catch on your part.
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Goddess4u: It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500
million dollars. The first year results are now in:
List of 7 items:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent. Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent. Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.
There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort, and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.
You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.
With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.
During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun control message to all of your friends.
The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the
brain. All else is supplemental.
SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN! SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE. SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
That makes appalling reading..........And I was thinking how much I love Australia and, in particular, Victoria! My goodness,,,,
million dollars. The first year results are now in:
List of 7 items:
Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent. Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent. Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.
There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort, and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.
You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.
With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.
During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun control message to all of your friends.
The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the
brain. All else is supplemental.
SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN! SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE. SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
That makes appalling reading..........And I was thinking how much I love Australia and, in particular, Victoria! My goodness,,,,
these stats about australia and especially victoria are wrong!!!!!!!!! go back a couple of pages with the real stats....under my post
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NordicSkier: See what happens when you are a goddess? You get to see everything as it really is!
again i will repeat these stats are untrue!!!!!!!!!
i have the stats for australia....please dont use us in your debate for your agenda.......
AND IF YOU DO, GET YER FACTS STRAIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HERE IT IS FOR ALL TO SEE.........
AND THIS TO POINT OUT THE HOMICIDE RATE.....
The homicide rate was 1.9 per 100,000 in 1996 (which includes the 35 victims of the Port Arthur massacre) and was at its highest in 1999, at 2.0 per 100,000. In 2007, the rate was 1.3 per 100,000, the lowest recorded (since 1996).
1996 (AFTER THE PORT ARTHUR MASSACRE) BEING THE YEAR THE GUN-AMNESTY WAS BOUGHT IN
AND YES WE ARE NOT FULLY DISARMED, BUT CANNOT HAVE SEMI-AUTOMATICS AND HANDGUNS LEGALLY
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My guns are primarily used for putting food on the table, self-defense secondary
Earl