Depression...What is it? How do you turn the corner? (86)
a quick view on depression is when you are feeling that low nothing can bring you out ....you dont always know what triggers it weather a trauma hapened recently or past thing from childhood or plain old genes form others in your family ...cam be an everyday thing or just something that comes on unexpected. ..you have a feeling of helplessness, hopelessness and just the feeling that no one in the world understands you... ...
Phoenix: Folks, What is like to suffer from depression? Whats it like to wake up everyday and stare into an abyss? Or think what's the point of carrying on....
I'm aware there are many reasons for it (why people become depressed)...But how do you snap out of it..How do you stop asking the doctor for happy pills..How do you gain control of you life.Become independant and full of zest after staring into an azbyss and wanting to top yourself?Perosnally I've never felt that way, I've always given myself a reason the night before to get up with a smile on my face the following day. Sometimes it's difficult (especially at the moment), but I'll always find something to laugh about...I don't know if some people have 'stronger moral fiber' than others or it's DNA related...
But the Q. is how do you snap out of it? Or is there a magic cure....
I'm aware there are many reasons for it (why people become depressed)...But how do you snap out of it..How do you stop asking the doctor for happy pills..How do you gain control of you life.Become independant and full of zest after staring into an azbyss and wanting to top yourself?Perosnally I've never felt that way, I've always given myself a reason the night before to get up with a smile on my face the following day. Sometimes it's difficult (especially at the moment), but I'll always find something to laugh about...I don't know if some people have 'stronger moral fiber' than others or it's DNA related...
But the Q. is how do you snap out of it? Or is there a magic cure....
Here is a link to a site that cites the 13 most prevalent forms of depression...although it doesn't seem to have recognised the kind you get after having a heart op, (heart meds and heart ops also cause chemical imbalances in the brain that causes depression).... or serious illness...
All I can say overall about depression, is that it is like a psychological cancer. It needs to be fought with various and often multiple forms of treatment at the same time. Depending on the type and severity of the depression, people function or cease to function at varying levels.
It can NEVER be snapped out of. It always requires treatment to heal. It is impossible to "think" your way out of it.
gingerb: Here is a link to a site that cites the 13 most prevalent forms of depression...although it doesn't seem to have recognised the kind you get after having a heart op, (heart meds and heart ops also cause chemical imbalances in the brain that causes depression).... or serious illness...
All I can say overall about depression, is that it is like a psychological cancer. It needs to be fought with various and often multiple forms of treatment at the same time. Depending on the type and severity of the depression, people function or cease to function at varying levels.
It can NEVER be snapped out of. It always requires treatment to heal. It is impossible to "think" your way out of it.
All I can say overall about depression, is that it is like a psychological cancer. It needs to be fought with various and often multiple forms of treatment at the same time. Depending on the type and severity of the depression, people function or cease to function at varying levels.
It can NEVER be snapped out of. It always requires treatment to heal. It is impossible to "think" your way out of it.
Ginger thats an excellent link...cheers ears
gingerb - thanks also for the link. 
RobertC2: gingerb - thanks also for the link.
You're welcome Robert.
Depression...How do you get over it??...
That's easy....clean your house, then empty the kitty-litter box without a gas mask...
That's easy....clean your house, then empty the kitty-litter box without a gas mask...
Lagoona22: Depression...How do you get over it??...
That's easy....clean your house, then empty the kitty-litter box without a gas mask...
That's easy....clean your house, then empty the kitty-litter box without a gas mask...
Lago, if you have nothing intelligent to add to the thread....then say nothing...
gingerb: You're welcome Robert.
There was a link to buy a book on the DaVinci method and saying that many very clever people including successful businessmen such as Richard Branson are manic depressives (or bipolar in American terminology)........ I might buy it but I'm a bit suspicious of most self-help books.
What do you think? Worth buying or downloading?
Oh, I live in such a way that makes the others to feel depression.
Smile! It irritates the environment!
Smile! It irritates the environment!
Tulefel: Oh, I live in such a way that makes the others to feel depression.
Smile! It irritates the environment!
Smile! It irritates the environment!
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I am sure it is not pleasant, but with recognising the fact and with support from family and friends it is possible and can be a long process. The happy pills can help for some i guess.
In response to: Folks, What is like to suffer from depression? Whats it like to wake up everyday and stare into an abyss? Or think what's the point of carrying on....
I'm aware there are many reasons for it (why people become depressed)...But how do you snap out of it..How do you stop asking the doctor for happy pills..How do you gain control of you life.Become independant and full of zest after staring into an azbyss and wanting to top yourself?Perosnally I've never felt that way, I've always given myself a reason the night before to get up with a smile on my face the following day. Sometimes it's difficult (especially at the moment), but I'll always find something to laugh about...I don't know if some people have 'stronger moral fiber' than others or it's DNA related...
But the Q. is how do you snap out of it? Or is there a magic cure....
I'm aware there are many reasons for it (why people become depressed)...But how do you snap out of it..How do you stop asking the doctor for happy pills..How do you gain control of you life.Become independant and full of zest after staring into an azbyss and wanting to top yourself?Perosnally I've never felt that way, I've always given myself a reason the night before to get up with a smile on my face the following day. Sometimes it's difficult (especially at the moment), but I'll always find something to laugh about...I don't know if some people have 'stronger moral fiber' than others or it's DNA related...
But the Q. is how do you snap out of it? Or is there a magic cure....
I am sure it is not pleasant, but with recognising the fact and with support from family and friends it is possible and can be a long process. The happy pills can help for some i guess.
RobertC2: There was a link to buy a book on the DaVinci method and saying that many very clever people including successful businessmen such as Richard Branson are manic depressives (or bipolar in American terminology)........ I might buy it but I'm a bit suspicious of most self-help books.
What do you think? Worth buying or downloading?
What do you think? Worth buying or downloading?
There are many kinds and levels of manic depression or bi-polar illness Robert. One size doesn't fit all in this instance. What worked for Richard Branson may well drive you or others nuts.
I know it is frustrating living every day with this really terribly debilitating disease, but it really is a matter of meds and measures. Literally going out of your mind in your mind.
Getting the right meds in the right dosage is really imporant, and again what suits one will not always suit another. You have to just keep going back to the hospital and being reassessed over and over until you find something, (some meds that is), that you actually want to live with.
It is worth doing though. I have a few good friends who are manic and manage it well so that it never interferes or tips the scales to extremes that are dangerous for them or others.
Robert, all I will say to you is, that it cannot be done without the meds. That is a certainty. Anyone who tells you differently is lying.
A chemical imbalance causes it, and it takes chemicals to balance it again, in strict amounts, at regular intervals.
RobertC2: .......
I have to learn to eat properly again...... man cannot live on tins of tuna and wine alone!
I have to learn to eat properly again...... man cannot live on tins of tuna and wine alone!
As with alcoholics, regular well balanced food and exercise are vital in recovery from depression.
If you don't feel like cooking, (and chances are that you don't), then at least take a vitamin pill every day, along with what you do manage to eat, or have a liquid meal like Complan, or something similar, to help keep your energy up.
Wine, especially red, is A DEPRESSIVE, as is all alcohol, and though some can tolerate certain kinds with few ill effects for a while, it can be a life or death issue for depressives of all kinds, in the right circumstances.
I lost a few friends who thought they knew better on this one.
As to your meds, Lithium is not something anyone wants to take, but small doses do work very successfully in many cases. If the anti-depressants work for you then use them, but if you feel bad while still taking them, then get them adjusted regularly.
about a decade ago I was in an auto crash and suffered a head injury. this caused problems with short term memory, the ability to concentrate and last but not least ,mood stability. At first I had very severe depression. I guess with the heaD injury some of the electral things going on in the brain were altered. this type of depression has no triggers. No matter how much pain there was, I never contemplated suicide. did a lot of therapy, all the meds I tried were god awfull. to many side affects. Eventualy, through trial and error, my therapist and I found things that worked for me. I simply removed most stress from my like that included employment. Now med free for years, I tend to view the rediculess and funny side of life and life events. I dont take life very seriously or myself for that matter. I do Still have problems with low levels of depression. It just comes out of no where. Keeping busy has never worked for me. enough for now. Bruce
gingerb:
Wine, especially red, is A DEPRESSIVE, as is all alcohol, and though some can tolerate certain kinds with few ill effects for a while, it can be a life or death issue for depressives of all kinds, in the right circumstances.
Wine, especially red, is A DEPRESSIVE, as is all alcohol, and though some can tolerate certain kinds with few ill effects for a while, it can be a life or death issue for depressives of all kinds, in the right circumstances.
I agree that alcohol and red wine is a problem.
I got into a bad habit when looking after my mother.
A carer would come in from 9.30 a.m. until 11.00 a.m.
By ten a.m. I was having my 'night out' - breakfast in the square plus a small glass of wine!
I've changed my habits now.
I only drink if out socially in the evenings; and don't go out that much.
I still go up to the square but have a blood orange juice or peach juice or water........... hardly any coffee out as I drink quite a lot of coffee at home.
brucedavis57: about a decade ago I was in an auto crash and suffered a head injury. this caused problems with short term memory, the ability to concentrate and last but not least ,mood stability. At first I had very severe depression. I guess with the heaD injury some of the electral things going on in the brain were altered. this type of depression has no triggers. No matter how much pain there was, I never contemplated suicide. did a lot of therapy, all the meds I tried were god awfull. to many side affects. Eventualy, through trial and error, my therapist and I found things that worked for me. I simply removed most stress from my like that included employment. Now med free for years, I tend to view the rediculess and funny side of life and life events. I dont take life very seriously or myself for that matter. I do Still have problems with low levels of depression. It just comes out of no where. Keeping busy has never worked for me. enough for now. Bruce
Bruce - you're a good man. Relax and enjoy....... I believe you're well-liked here!
RobertC2:
There are two types of depression:
1. Circumstantial depression
2. Clinical depression
The second type, clinical depression..., is way more complex.
... and the first step is recognising it, then admitting you need help,...accepting the fact you have to take medication even if it's against what you believe in.
There are two types of depression:
1. Circumstantial depression
2. Clinical depression
The second type, clinical depression..., is way more complex.
... and the first step is recognising it, then admitting you need help,...accepting the fact you have to take medication even if it's against what you believe in.
Sorry Robert, I realize that you are sincere, but you are advocating one of the deadliest scams in all of history.
So-called "clinical depression" doesn't even really exist.
It's a scam created by the drug industry to promote the use of drugs that are more addictive and destructive than heroin. And their motives are the same as those of drug pushers, enormous profits that continue for the rest of the user's life.
Profound sadness is not an illness. In fact it serves a vital purpose. It's the process that allows person's psyche to reorients and rewires itself following emotional shock or great disillusion.
That healthy function can be facilitated by friendship, encouragement, discussion, prayer, meditation, taking a sabatical vacation, etc etc
Drugs, be they tranquilizers, antidepressants, or whatever, at best, only interefere with the vital natural role of sadness.
But they are seldom "at best". Usually the drugs do serious harm.
Nearly all prescritions for depression, involve SSRI antidepressants.
They are arguably the most evil drugs (legal or otherwise) that have ever been marketed.
But they are definitely the biggest moneymakers for the drug industry because they are extremely addictive.
They should be banned, and the pharmaceutical companies who falsified and suppressed information in order to get them approved and marketed should be sued down to their last dime, and their directors jailed for life.
Drug companies lied about study results in order to get SSRI's approved
A doctor explains the damage that SSRI antidepressants do
They are no more effective than placebos
Megastudies for all SSRI drugs found that they are no more effective than a placebo for mild or moderate depression,
And even for severe depression, it's not that the SSRI's are more effective, its just that the placebo effect is near zero.
All SSRI drugs have horrible side effects and withdrawal symptoms.
Paxil
Prozac
Effexor (notice this girls degeneration as she withdraws slowly from the drug)
SSRI antidepressants increase suicide and violence.
especially during withdrawal
Why do well-meaning doctors prescribe SSRIs?
Because the drug industry funds ad campaigns to push their products both to the general public and to doctors.
For those who absolutely insist on having more seratonin in their brains. St. John's Wort is far more effective than any SSRI in raising overall seratonin levels, and doesn't have any of the negative side effects.
I would tend to agree with your assessment of the drugs being marketed. Nasty stuff. Bruce
RayfromUSA: Sorry Robert, I realize that you are sincere, but you are advocating one of the deadliest scams in all of history.
So-called "clinical depression" doesn't even really exist.
It's a scam created by the drug industry to promote the use of drugs that are more addictive and destructive than heroin. And their motives are the same as those of drug pushers, enormous profits that continue for the rest of the user's life.
Profound sadness is not an illness. In fact it serves a vital purpose. It's the process that allows person's psyche to reorients and rewires itself following emotional shock or great disillusion.
That healthy function can be facilitated by friendship, encouragement, discussion, prayer, meditation, taking a sabatical vacation, etc etc
Drugs, be they tranquilizers, antidepressants, or whatever, at best, only interefere with the vital natural role of sadness.
But they are seldom "at best". Usually the drugs do serious harm.
Nearly all prescritions for depression, involve SSRI antidepressants.
They are arguably the most evil drugs (legal or otherwise) that have ever been marketed.
But they are definitely the biggest moneymakers for the drug industry because they are extremely addictive.
They should be banned, and the pharmaceutical companies who falsified and suppressed information in order to get them approved and marketed should be sued down to their last dime, and their directors jailed for life.
Drug companies lied about study results in order to get SSRI's approved
Why do well-meaning doctors prescribe SSRIs?
Because the drug industry funds ad campaigns to push their products both to the general public and to doctors.
For those who absolutely insist on having more seratonin in their brains. St. John's Wort is far more effective than any SSRI in raising overall seratonin levels, and doesn't have any of the negative side effects.
RAYfromUSA...So-called "clinical depression" doesn't even really exist.
It's a scam created by the drug industry to promote the use of drugs that are more addictive and destructive than heroin. And their motives are the same as those of drug pushers, enormous profits that continue for the rest of the user's life.
Profound sadness is not an illness. In fact it serves a vital purpose. It's the process that allows person's psyche to reorients and rewires itself following emotional shock or great disillusion.
That healthy function can be facilitated by friendship, encouragement, discussion, prayer, meditation, taking a sabatical vacation, etc etc
Drugs, be they tranquilizers, antidepressants, or whatever, at best, only interefere with the vital natural role of sadness.
But they are seldom "at best". Usually the drugs do serious harm.
Nearly all prescritions for depression, involve SSRI antidepressants.
They are arguably the most evil drugs (legal or otherwise) that have ever been marketed.
But they are definitely the biggest moneymakers for the drug industry because they are extremely addictive.
They should be banned, and the pharmaceutical companies who falsified and suppressed information in order to get them approved and marketed should be sued down to their last dime, and their directors jailed for life.
Drug companies lied about study results in order to get SSRI's approved
Why do well-meaning doctors prescribe SSRIs?
Because the drug industry funds ad campaigns to push their products both to the general public and to doctors.
For those who absolutely insist on having more seratonin in their brains. St. John's Wort is far more effective than any SSRI in raising overall seratonin levels, and doesn't have any of the negative side effects.
I got quite depressed reading thru this thread ... until I came to Rays posting! Yes. Most definitely YES.
Another of the closely guarded secrets for treating Depression is WALKING(especially in nature, or next to water). Another is to do Garden Work - handling the soil and plants drains these emotions out of the body - Another is to lie in the sea (or any other body of clean water).
Sorry, I do not agree with the Pill story. One day, if and when you stop taking them, you will be back to square one, and become a "chronic depresive".
Another closely guarded secret is: You also need the touch of another body - to have someone massage you, or to stroke an animal - weird as that may sound ... to drain the negativity out of you. Your body is made up of electricity, and unless you get "grounded" - your brain goes into overload.
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I'm aware there are many reasons for it (why people become depressed)...But how do you snap out of it..How do you stop asking the doctor for happy pills..How do you gain control of you life.Become independant and full of zest after staring into an azbyss and wanting to top yourself?
Perosnally I've never felt that way, I've always given myself a reason the night before to get up with a smile on my face the following day. Sometimes it's difficult (especially at the moment), but I'll always find something to laugh about...
I don't know if some people have 'stronger moral fiber' than others or it's DNA related...
But the Q. is how do you snap out of it? Or is there a magic cure....