Depression...What is it? How do you turn the corner? (86)
brucedavis57south st. Paul, Minnesota USA10 Threads 132 PostsNicely said Smokey.
RayfromUSA: Sorry Robert, I realize that you are sincere, ........(Really?)
For those who absolutely insist on having more seratonin in their brains. St. John's Wort is far more effective than any SSRI in raising overall seratonin levels, and doesn't have any of the negative side effects.
For those who absolutely insist on having more seratonin in their brains. St. John's Wort is far more effective than any SSRI in raising overall seratonin levels, and doesn't have any of the negative side effects.
Ray I think that what you just did here is nothing short of criminal. You are posting heresay, beause that is all it is, to try to influence someone who is already on meds that work for him.
You do not know his particular history or diagnosis, nor, I'd like to bet, have you had any personal experience of ssri's to the point that they damaged your mind..........
ssri's are not the only kind of anti-depressant either, and you don't know what he is taking.
For your information St John's wort, if taken in wrong doses, or for long periods, is extremely damaging, causing paralysis and liver and kidney damage......
Dotors in Europe are not like Doctors in America, in that they are not in it for the buck and as a general rule cannot be influenced by hearsay. Drug standards are also much higher here than in the States, so your scaremongering of vulnerable people doesn't apply.
I am so mad at you right now it is tangible, and that rarely happens. Pushing your agendas on to people with mental illnesses is a disgrace and not to be tolerated.
What you are saying is directly influenceing a vulnerable person's life, one that if he tok a chance that you were right, might leaave off his meds, (which. by the way may not be ssri's), and end up killing himself. You are beneath contempt.
You are not a psychiatrist. How dare you!
I am on an sssri - citalopram
I'll keep taking the dosage I'm taking now.... 10 mgs per day (normal minimum is 20 mgs but have had approval of psychiatrist).
I know these people mean well.
Smoky is a dear friend and treated a leg wound I had that would not heal.......... I was eventually told it was a sand fly bite that kills dogs and can harm humans - it causes the death of tissue......... it took over 1.5 years to heal but if I'd gone to hospital only a few weeks with the CORRECT treatment.
Nobody likes to take medication long term.
ALl medications have side effects; however if it is going to prevent me causing any harm to another human being I'll gladly take them for the rest of my life.
Showered and changed and going out now!
It'll be nice to speak to people and relax in company!
I'll keep taking the dosage I'm taking now.... 10 mgs per day (normal minimum is 20 mgs but have had approval of psychiatrist).
I know these people mean well.
Smoky is a dear friend and treated a leg wound I had that would not heal.......... I was eventually told it was a sand fly bite that kills dogs and can harm humans - it causes the death of tissue......... it took over 1.5 years to heal but if I'd gone to hospital only a few weeks with the CORRECT treatment.
Nobody likes to take medication long term.
ALl medications have side effects; however if it is going to prevent me causing any harm to another human being I'll gladly take them for the rest of my life.
Showered and changed and going out now!
It'll be nice to speak to people and relax in company!
RobertC2:
Showered and changed and going out now!
It'll be nice to speak to people and relax in company!
Showered and changed and going out now!
It'll be nice to speak to people and relax in company!
Bobert I hope you have a good evening....
RobertC2: I am on an sssri - citalopram
I'll keep taking the dosage I'm taking now.... 10 mgs per day (normal minimum is 20 mgs but have had approval of psychiatrist).
I know these people mean well.
Smoky is a dear friend and treated a leg wound I had that would not heal.......... I was eventually told it was a sand fly bite that kills dogs and can harm humans - it causes the death of tissue......... it took over 1.5 years to heal but if I'd gone to hospital only a few weeks with the CORRECT treatment.
Nobody likes to take medication long term.
ALl medications have side effects; however if it is going to prevent me causing any harm to another human being I'll gladly take them for the rest of my life.
Showered and changed and going out now!
It'll be nice to speak to people and relax in company!
I'll keep taking the dosage I'm taking now.... 10 mgs per day (normal minimum is 20 mgs but have had approval of psychiatrist).
I know these people mean well.
Smoky is a dear friend and treated a leg wound I had that would not heal.......... I was eventually told it was a sand fly bite that kills dogs and can harm humans - it causes the death of tissue......... it took over 1.5 years to heal but if I'd gone to hospital only a few weeks with the CORRECT treatment.
Nobody likes to take medication long term.
ALl medications have side effects; however if it is going to prevent me causing any harm to another human being I'll gladly take them for the rest of my life.
Showered and changed and going out now!
It'll be nice to speak to people and relax in company!
I like your attitude Robert. Hope you are a wonderful evening out.
gingerb: I like your attitude Robert. Hope you are have a wonderful evening out.
brucedavis57: Nicely said Smokey.
Well, thank you - for being polite!
I too, at times in my life, wished for a pill to take that would help me cope. Or that I could just "go insane" and be carted off to a nice comfortable hospital bed and have other people care for me and handle my problems - but I could not figure out how to go insane enough to get noticed!
My doctor (a kind gentle "real" Christian lady) refused to give me the medications discussed above in this thread, she said I had to "learn to deal with it"...... I came away from her very disappointed! But .. I learnt to deal with it. She had explained that the body produces the necessary hormones and to interfere it upsets the natural mechanisms. In extreme cases it could be necessary, but for ordinary depressions, mostly chronic sadness, apathy, disappointment, tiredness, etc, it was not the best treatment. I am so glad that God put her in my path!
RobertC2: I am on an sssri - citalopram
Smoky is a dear friend and treated a leg wound I had that would not heal.......... I was eventually told it was a sand fly bite that kills dogs and can harm humans - it causes the death of tissue......... it took over 1.5 years to heal but if I'd gone to hospital only a few weeks with the CORRECT treatment.
Smoky is a dear friend and treated a leg wound I had that would not heal.......... I was eventually told it was a sand fly bite that kills dogs and can harm humans - it causes the death of tissue......... it took over 1.5 years to heal but if I'd gone to hospital only a few weeks with the CORRECT treatment.
Oh gosh - Am I to hear forever about your flipping "itchy bite"? It was only an itchy bite at that time!If a herbal treatment does not help, then of course you go seek more intensive treatment.
Sorry, I am rather inclined to believe that everyone else has my own logical thought process.
I treat everything with herbal treatments, just in case they respond ... most times they do, and sometimes they don`t .... If they don`t, then I go to my medical professional, who will cure it within a few days.
People have to take SOME responsibility for their own health!
smoky: !
If a (b]herbal treatment does not help, then of course you go seek more intensive treatment.
If a (b]herbal treatment does not help, then of course you go seek more intensive treatment.
What do you mean if herbal treatments don't work....Hemp ciggies work very well for me
Phoenix: What do you mean if herbal treatments don't work....Hemp ciggies work very well for me
You know, Phoenix .... if the whole world would just relax, kick down, and have a joint now and again ...... ALL the medical folk would be out of employment! In SA, I was surprised at the amount of ordinary, and professional people, who smoked MaryJane, and the amazing part was ..... they were ALL exceptionally well balanced, very healthy people - both physically and mentally. The ONLY problem was that they were content with what they had. And this is not good for Big Business! The general public HAVE to be Consumers. It is in the interests of Business, and Employment, and Taxes. And legal drugs keeps people dependent, keeps them paying.
The ONLY reason for bad-mouthing Hemp is that drug companies can have no patent on a plant that grows freely - therefore there is no money in investigating it`s properties.
I am not advocating the general smoking of it - because SOME people have no tolerance to it, and some people lack the ability to discern this fact. But in its fresh natural state it is one of the most incredible cures for almost any illness, depending on how it is processed. Besides the fact that it is not good for young people to smoke it because it interferes with their ambition and can cause short-term memory loss in developing brains.
And now I await the flack ..................
It can be fun. i forget which end to light though. for those who have tried various meds. in the USA On each label they tell us "to be taken by mouth only". Even on the labels of the chewable ones. thats food for thought. wow reality, what a concept.
If you were able to quit or even reduce your dose without serious withdrawal effects, you're doing pretty well.
I helped a friend quit seroplex (same as lexapro). She was able to cut her dose in half very quickly from 19 to 5 mg/day.
But then it took 6 months for her to quit altogether.
At first I used a tile cutter to cut the pills into smaller doses. When that wasn't precise enough I sanded the doses down to size using a small file.
Towards the end we gradually substituted St John's wort for every other dose. And then for every dose.
That helped a lot.
Quitting the St John's wort was no problem once she was totally weaned off the drug.
My ex, who lives in the states, is a sad case of what happens when you just let the medical industry do whatever they want.
She had cortizone treatments for something or other, and it caused her to gain a lot of weight very quickly.
The extra weight caused her knees to give out.
So over the period of a year, she had both knees replaced with artificial joints.
That kept her off work and in a lot of pain for a year. Meanwhile her company was bought out and she knew that as soon as her medical leave was finished she would be fired (many other employees had been fired already).
So she was stressed, and her doctor put her on paxil. When that only made her more stressed they doubled the dose. She began to have panic attacts and suicidal thoughts so they hospitalized her and added more drugs.
She still got worse.
Eventually they began giving her electro-shock treatments.
It took strong intervention from influential friends and relatives to get her out of their grips.
Now she's back home, and takes only a single SSRI. But it's a strong dose and there isn't much hope for ever weaning her off of it. There is too great a danger that the withdrawal symptoms would land her back in the hospital again and restart the nightmare. So she is permanently addicted.
I helped a friend quit seroplex (same as lexapro). She was able to cut her dose in half very quickly from 19 to 5 mg/day.
But then it took 6 months for her to quit altogether.
At first I used a tile cutter to cut the pills into smaller doses. When that wasn't precise enough I sanded the doses down to size using a small file.
Towards the end we gradually substituted St John's wort for every other dose. And then for every dose.
That helped a lot.
Quitting the St John's wort was no problem once she was totally weaned off the drug.
My ex, who lives in the states, is a sad case of what happens when you just let the medical industry do whatever they want.
She had cortizone treatments for something or other, and it caused her to gain a lot of weight very quickly.
The extra weight caused her knees to give out.
So over the period of a year, she had both knees replaced with artificial joints.
That kept her off work and in a lot of pain for a year. Meanwhile her company was bought out and she knew that as soon as her medical leave was finished she would be fired (many other employees had been fired already).
So she was stressed, and her doctor put her on paxil. When that only made her more stressed they doubled the dose. She began to have panic attacts and suicidal thoughts so they hospitalized her and added more drugs.
She still got worse.
Eventually they began giving her electro-shock treatments.
It took strong intervention from influential friends and relatives to get her out of their grips.
Now she's back home, and takes only a single SSRI. But it's a strong dose and there isn't much hope for ever weaning her off of it. There is too great a danger that the withdrawal symptoms would land her back in the hospital again and restart the nightmare. So she is permanently addicted.
gingerb: Ray I think that what you just did here is nothing short of criminal.
You are posting heresay, beause that is all it is, to try to influence someone who is already on meds that work for him.
You do not know his particular history or diagnosis, nor, I'd like to bet, have you had any personal experience of ssri's to the point that they damaged your mind.
You are posting heresay, beause that is all it is, to try to influence someone who is already on meds that work for him.
You do not know his particular history or diagnosis, nor, I'd like to bet, have you had any personal experience of ssri's to the point that they damaged your mind.
It's true I'm not a psychiatrist.
But I do have a BA with major concentrations in biology and psychology.
What's more SSRI addiction has indeed affected my life.
My ex-wife is permanently addicted and is a semi-vegetable as a result.
Just last year I helped a friend wean down from 20 mg of Seroplex to zero (over a period of 6 months).
To be honest, the last thing in the world I would advise anyone doing is just trusting the psychiatric industry.
I have seen the results of that and it has destroyed people I know and love.
I don't feel any moral obligation to encourage anyone's addiction. Helping people doesn't equal supporting the damage that the psychiactric industry wants to do to them.
You can take SSRIs if you want to.
Do it at your own risk.
But don't expect me to keep silent about the subject.
It's too important.
I have seen SSRI withdrawal at close hand in people I love.
This guy, is a registered nurse and got into this situation by trusting the doctors. He is just barely getting started at withdrawal. He is months away from any possibility of getting off the drug.
Here's the site he reccomends in his video.
RayfromUSA: It's true I'm not a psychiatrist.
But I do have a BA with major concentrations in biology and psychology.
I don't feel any moral obligation to encourage anyone's addiction. Helping people doesn't equal supporting the damage that the psychiactric industry wants to do to them.
But I do have a BA with major concentrations in biology and psychology.
I don't feel any moral obligation to encourage anyone's addiction. Helping people doesn't equal supporting the damage that the psychiactric industry wants to do to them.
Your intentions may be honourable but the people in your life most likely have not got the same kind of depression as each other never mind Robert's.
Many things are diagnosed as depression that are not., and mis-treated as a result. Like giving prozac to a healthy person will drive them insane, and get them addicted, and yet cure someone with an illness that is diagnosed properly.
There are many wanna-be depressives and hypochondriacs out there, who convince doctors they are ill when they are not and then complain about drugs not suiting them or damaging them.
Well intentioned as you are, you cannot blanket diagnose people whom you have never met and are not qualified to diagnose.
It has been an almost lifetimes' work for me, working in the admissions unit of my local psychiatric hospital and in their social centre for recovering people with mental illnesses.
I have seen both sides of the coin, and to be truthful, the biggest single cause of suicides among the people there was, "well intentioned" people telling the patients that they didn't need their meds, or not to take them, or destroying the patient/doctor trust.
There are people, of course, who are allergic to certain meds, and resistant people, but that is worked out over time here, in consultation with their doctors, and alternatives are found that keep them safe and help them recover.......
gingerb:
I have seen both sides of the coin, and to be truthful, the biggest single cause of suicides among the people there was, "well intentioned" people telling the patients that they didn't need their meds, or not to take them, or destroying the patient/doctor trust.There are people, of course, who are allergic to certain meds, and resistant people, but that is worked out over time here, in consultation with their doctors, and alternatives are found that keep them safe and help them recover.......
I have seen both sides of the coin, and to be truthful, the biggest single cause of suicides among the people there was, "well intentioned" people telling the patients that they didn't need their meds, or not to take them, or destroying the patient/doctor trust.There are people, of course, who are allergic to certain meds, and resistant people, but that is worked out over time here, in consultation with their doctors, and alternatives are found that keep them safe and help them recover.......
Well, Ginger, you are a medically trained person, so you see only that side of the coin.
I worked in Suicide Counselling and an Intervention Team ..... and believe me, medications have NO issue here. You cannot keep giving people future appointments, and medications. It does Not work.
People need people! They need someone to listen to them, to understand what they are trying to say, to know that someone is listening to them, to air their views, and to know that how they feel is perfectly normal.
People, in the dark of night and the early hours, need more than medications. They need more than "time to work out their medication requirements". They need more than impersonal medical staff.
People just need other people - to talk to, to listen to them.
smoky: Well, Ginger, you are a medically trained person, so you see only that side of the coin.
I worked in Suicide Counselling and an Intervention Team ..... and believe me, medications have NO issue here. You cannot keep giving people future appointments, and medications. It does Not work.
People need people! They need someone to listen to them, to understand what they are trying to say, to know that someone is listening to them, to air their views, and to know that how they feel is perfectly normal.
People, in the dark of night and the early hours, need more than medications. They need more than "time to work out their medication requirements". They need more than impersonal medical staff.
People just need other people - to talk to, to listen to them.
I worked in Suicide Counselling and an Intervention Team ..... and believe me, medications have NO issue here. You cannot keep giving people future appointments, and medications. It does Not work.
People need people! They need someone to listen to them, to understand what they are trying to say, to know that someone is listening to them, to air their views, and to know that how they feel is perfectly normal.
People, in the dark of night and the early hours, need more than medications. They need more than "time to work out their medication requirements". They need more than impersonal medical staff.
People just need other people - to talk to, to listen to them.
I don't know where you got the impression that they don't get that here. I work in conjunction with their psychologists and councellors, and the social centre is for meeting other patients and ex patients informally and discussing shared problems if they want to.....giving them a place to socialise, have holistic therapies, evening classes etc., or whatever they vote to have as a theraputic relaxation. They go on tours, join bands, have theatre nights out, have hairdressers and manicurists in, have classes in art, crafts, writers evenings, sign-language classes, jewellery making classes, poetry groups, the list is endless......
Their worst enemies are actually their families and friends who haven't a clue what reaql depression is, because they have never had it.........well meaninged idiots.........
gingerb: I don't know where you got the impression that they don't get that here. I work in conjunction with their psychologists and councellors, and the social centre is for meeting other patients and ex patients informally and discussing shared problems if they want to.....giving them a place to socialise, have holistic therapies, evening classes etc., or whatever they vote to have as a theraputic relaxation. They go on tours, join bands, have theatre nights out, have hairdressers and manicurists in, have classes in art, crafts, writers evenings, sign-language classes, jewellery making classes, poetry groups, the list is endless......
Their worst enemies are actually their families and friends who haven't a clue what reaql depression is, because they have never had it.........well meaninged idiots.........
Oh sorry, I only just noticed you live in Ireland! Ja, I guess you are pretty clued up, and motivated over there. Gee, you have all that there? I would have tried to have my nervous breakdowns over there - if I`d known how wonderful the treatment is! Where I come from - you sat in queus a mile long and waited hours for your number to be called - and sometimes you had to come back the next day before the sun rose to get back in the queu! ............Their worst enemies are actually their families and friends who haven't a clue what reaql depression is, because they have never had it.........well meaninged idiots.........
Funny hey ..... in SA all the recovering foreign nervous breakdowns would come on holidays to relax at the seaside ... while the locals sat in queus at the hospital waiting for their pills..... and sitting on the phones for hours to be counselled by volunteers!
At the end of the day, though, you gotta admit .. it comes down to Three words ..... "Deal with it".
Where I come from - you sat in queus a mile long and waited hours for your number to be called - and sometimes you had to come back the next day before the sun rose to get back in the queu! ............
Funny hey ..... in SA all the recovering foreign nervous breakdowns would come on holidays to relax at the seaside ... while the locals sat in queus at the hospital waiting for their pills..... and sitting on the phones for hours to be counselled by volunteers!
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I am sorry things are not so good there.
Funny hey ..... in SA all the recovering foreign nervous breakdowns would come on holidays to relax at the seaside ... while the locals sat in queus at the hospital waiting for their pills..... and sitting on the phones for hours to be counselled by volunteers!
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I am sorry things are not so good there.
gingerb: Where I come from - you sat in queus a mile long and waited hours for your number to be called - and sometimes you had to come back the next day before the sun rose to get back in the queu! ............
Funny hey ..... in SA all the recovering foreign nervous breakdowns would come on holidays to relax at the seaside ... while the locals sat in queus at the hospital waiting for their pills..... and sitting on the phones for hours to be counselled by volunteers!
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I am sorry things are not so good there.
Funny hey ..... in SA all the recovering foreign nervous breakdowns would come on holidays to relax at the seaside ... while the locals sat in queus at the hospital waiting for their pills..... and sitting on the phones for hours to be counselled by volunteers!
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I am sorry things are not so good there.
Oh, I left that all behind when I arrived here! Now, I dare not have a nervous breakdown ..... cause they speak a different language than me! A great cure for depression!
smoky: Oh, I left that all behind when I arrived here! Now, I dare not have a nervous breakdown ..... cause they speak a different language than me! A great cure for depression!
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