Obama Health Care Speech ( Archived) (104)

Sep 10, 2009 9:05 AM CST Obama Health Care Speech
Skybow
SkybowSkybowapple valley, California USA4 Threads 1,146 Posts
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Then there's the problem of rising costs. We spend one-and-a-half times more per person on health care than any other country, but we aren't any healthier for it. This is one of the reasons that insurance premiums have gone up three times faster than wages. It's why so many employers - especially small businesses - are forcing their employees to pay more for insurance, or are dropping their coverage entirely. It's why so many aspiring entrepreneurs cannot afford to open a business in the first place, and why American businesses that compete internationally - like our automakers - are at a huge disadvantage. And it's why those of us with health insurance are also paying a hidden and growing tax for those without it - about $1000 per year that pays for somebody else's emergency room and charitable care.

Finally, our health care system is placing an unsustainable burden on taxpayers. When health care costs grow at the rate they have, it puts greater pressure on programs like Medicare and Medicaid. If we do nothing to slow these skyrocketing costs, we will eventually be spending more on Medicare and Medicaid than every other government program combined. Put simply, our health care problem is our deficit problem. Nothing else even comes close.

These are the facts. Nobody disputes them. We know we must reform this system. The question is how....

Since health care represents one-sixth of our economy, I believe it makes more sense to build on what works and fix what doesn't, rather than try to build an entirely new system from scratch. And that is precisely what those of you in Congress have tried to do over the past several months....

But what we have also seen in these last months is the same partisan spectacle that only hardens the disdain many Americans have toward their own government. Instead of honest debate, we have seen scare tactics. Some have dug into unyielding ideological camps that offer no hope of compromise. Too many have used this as an opportunity to score short-term political points, even if it robs the country of our opportunity to solve a long-term challenge. And out of this blizzard of charges and counter-charges, confusion has reigned....

The plan I'm announcing tonight would meet three basic goals:

...Here are the details that every American needs to know about this plan:

First, if you are among the hundreds of millions of Americans who already have health insurance through your job, Medicare, Medicaid, or the VA, nothing in this plan will require you or your employer to change the coverage or the doctor you have. Let me repeat this: nothing in our plan requires you to change what you have....

What this plan will do is to make the insurance you have work better for you. Under this plan, it will be against the law for insurance companies to deny you coverage because of a pre-existing condition. As soon as I sign this bill, it will be against the law for insurance companies to drop your coverage when you get sick or water it down when you need it most. They will no longer be able to place some arbitrary cap on the amount of coverage you can receive in a given year or a lifetime. We will place a limit on how much you can be charged for out-of-pocket expenses, because in the United States of America, no one should go broke because they get sick. And insurance companies will be required to cover, with no extra charge, routine checkups and preventive care, like mammograms and colonoscopies - because there's no reason we shouldn't be catching diseases like breast cancer and colon cancer before they get worse. That makes sense, it saves money, and it saves lives.
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Sep 10, 2009 9:08 AM CST Obama Health Care Speech
Skybow
SkybowSkybowapple valley, California USA4 Threads 1,146 Posts
That's what Americans who have health insurance can expect from this plan - more security and stability.

Now, if you're one of the tens of millions of Americans who don't currently have health insurance, the second part of this plan will finally offer you quality, affordable choices. If you lose your job or change your job, you will be able to get coverage. If you strike out on your own and start a small business, you will be able to get coverage. We will do this by creating a new insurance exchange - a marketplace where individuals and small businesses will be able to shop for health insurance at competitive prices. Insurance companies will have an incentive to participate in this exchange because it lets them compete for millions of new customers. As one big group, these customers will have greater leverage to bargain with the insurance companies for better prices and quality coverage. This is how large companies and government employees get affordable insurance. It's how everyone in this Congress gets affordable insurance. And it's time to give every American the same opportunity that we've given ourselves.

For those individuals and small businesses who still cannot afford the lower-priced insurance available in the exchange, we will provide tax credits, the size of which will be based on your need. And all insurance companies that want access to this new marketplace will have to abide by the consumer protections I already mentioned. This exchange will take effect in four years, which will give us time to do it right. In the meantime, for those Americans who can't get insurance today because they have pre-existing medical conditions, we will immediately offer low-cost coverage that will protect you against financial ruin if you become seriously ill. This was a good idea when Senator John McCain proposed it in the campaign, it's a good idea now, and we should embrace it.

Now, even if we provide these affordable options, there may be those - particularly the young and healthy - who still want to take the risk and go without coverage. There may still be companies that refuse to do right by their workers. The problem is, such irresponsible behavior costs all the rest of us money. If there are affordable options and people still don't sign up for health insurance, it means we pay for those people's expensive emergency room visits. If some businesses don't provide workers health care, it forces the rest of us to pick up the tab when their workers get sick, and gives those businesses an unfair advantage over their competitors. And unless everybody does their part, many of the insurance reforms we seek - especially requiring insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions - just can't be achieved.

That's why under my plan, individuals will be required to carry basic health insurance - just as most states require you to carry auto insurance. Likewise, businesses will be required to either offer their workers health care, or chip in to help cover the cost of their workers. There will be a hardship waiver for those individuals who still cannot afford coverage, and 95% of all small businesses, because of their size and narrow profit margin, would be exempt from these requirements. But we cannot have large businesses and individuals who can afford coverage game the system by avoiding responsibility to themselves or their employees. Improving our health care system only works if everybody does their part.

While there remain some significant details to be ironed out, I believe a broad consensus exists for the aspects of the plan I just outlined: consumer protections for those with insurance, an exchange that allows individuals and small businesses to purchase affordable coverage, and a requirement that people who can afford insurance get insurance.
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Sep 10, 2009 9:12 AM CST Obama Health Care Speech
Skybow
SkybowSkybowapple valley, California USA4 Threads 1,146 Posts
You can read the full text and/or watch the video here:



To be fair here is a link to Full Text of Rep. Charles Boustany's Republican Response




This is something the health care system needs, reform is able to plug some of those bleeding holes that hurt, even kill the American people. I believe this is an important discussion we need to be having. cool
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Sep 10, 2009 9:33 AM CST Obama Health Care Speech
140milesperhour
140milesperhour140milesperhourMonterey, California USA27 Posts
well that sounds better than what the republican Wilson said to the president...
well I do have a question
How the canadian are doing it?
they have had it for as long as I can remember NHS.
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Sep 10, 2009 9:37 AM CST Obama Health Care Speech
Skybow
SkybowSkybowapple valley, California USA4 Threads 1,146 Posts
Setting up a Canadian system instead of fixing the one we have would be prohibitively expensive. It's going to be much cheaper to work with the existing system than try to totally replace it.

conversing
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Sep 10, 2009 9:43 AM CST Obama Health Care Speech
john12196341
john12196341john12196341jamestown, North Dakota USA53 Threads 684 Posts
in my opinion the health care that person proposes is like living int he dream world and he is lying threw his teeth about it.
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Sep 10, 2009 9:47 AM CST Obama Health Care Speech
Skybow
SkybowSkybowapple valley, California USA4 Threads 1,146 Posts
Well sir, check this out,

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090910/pl_politico/26970

All eyes were on Barack Obama entering Wednesday night's address to Congress, but a little-known South Carolina Republican may have done more than the president’s combative speech to unify besieged Democrats around health care reform.

The night's defining moment — which Democrats hope to transform into a turning point – came when Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.) shouted "You lie!" as Obama claimed his plan wouldn't offer free care to illegal immigrants.

Wilson's boorishness — for which he quickly apologized — enraged audience members on both sides of the aisle.


I do not mind you stating your opinion but it remains simply your opinion in my book unless you can engage in honest debate here and provide links for any research you have done.
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Sep 10, 2009 9:53 AM CST Obama Health Care Speech
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
While I agree the health care reform is necessary........it doesn't address the real problem of why health insurance is so expensive.
Health care insurance companies and hospitals have been using the same old excuse that those who are not insured are causing a burden on the rest of us who are. It's partially a scape-goat for the real problem.
The real problem is these insurance companies and hospitals are totally unregulated as to what they can charge for rates and services. Proof is in the fact that despite their claims to be going broke - they are forever expanding and increasing in size with new facilities, improvements, and more highly paid administration. They're not suffering a bit - they're simply passing everything along to the consumer in rates increases.

So, the next time you get your hospital bill and it's extraordinarily high - call them and ask if it's becuase they just bought a new doctor practice or built a new facility.
( they'll undoubtedly tell you it's because of all the uninsured that you have to subsidize ) roll eyes
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Sep 10, 2009 9:55 AM CST Obama Health Care Speech
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
john12196341: in my opinion the health care that person proposes is like living int he dream world and he is lying threw his teeth about it.


Well then, maybe free-enterprise and competition will be self-correcting right ? doh
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Sep 10, 2009 9:59 AM CST Obama Health Care Speech
john12196341: in my opinion the health care that person proposes is like living int he dream world and he is lying threw his teeth about it.





So Sad that Not even our Government can walk their talk, Nobody walks Integrity, none have understanding of it, and even if they do, They Still Lie thru their Teeth......
And if someone Mentions God they want to Crucify them.... Thats the world we live in, Sad!..laugh wink
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Sep 10, 2009 10:00 AM CST Obama Health Care Speech
Lagoona22
Lagoona22Lagoona22Bugibba, Majjistral Malta161 Threads 11 Polls 10,711 Posts
I've lost the plot...it's too much information...no, hang on...I think I should weigh in on this subject, and give a balanced opinion:
I think the Obama position is the only voice that even approaches logic, and everyone who disagrees with him should burn in hell, and be hung by their thumbnails with fish hooks while they're cooking in sesame seed oil...angel
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Sep 10, 2009 10:04 AM CST Obama Health Care Speech
Skybow
SkybowSkybowapple valley, California USA4 Threads 1,146 Posts
Hey there jvaski, good to see you here.

I agree that a system based on free enterprise, ie; Negotiation for good prices on drugs and more cost efficient services along with the other changes proposed will go far to improve the medical coverage we are currently not getting.

It needs a lot of reform and for all of you who are going to cry "Socialism!", I dare you to tell your grandmother or grandfather they have to refuse their SS checks and not use Medicare/Medicaid because it is too Socialistic.
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Sep 10, 2009 10:07 AM CST Obama Health Care Speech
Skybow
SkybowSkybowapple valley, California USA4 Threads 1,146 Posts
You are too funny Lagoona, now if I can find my leather whips I'd consider joining that party. laugh

Conrad, hello, I'll read your link 'K? hug
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Sep 10, 2009 10:09 AM CST Obama Health Care Speech
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
Skybow: Hey there jvaski, good to see you here.

I agree that a system based on free enterprise, ie; Negotiation for good prices on drugs and more cost efficient services along with the other changes proposed will go far to improve the medical coverage we are currently not getting.

It needs a lot of reform and for all of you who are going to cry "Socialism!", I dare you to tell your grandmother or grandfather they have to refuse their SS checks and not use Medicare/Medicaid because it is too Socialistic.


Can't have free-enterprise in a helth care system where doctors, hosptials and insurance companies are teamed-up against consumers. Unfortunately - it's needs to be firmly regulated !
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Sep 10, 2009 10:10 AM CST Obama Health Care Speech
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
And, I need to go to typing class at the college .....laugh
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Sep 10, 2009 10:13 AM CST Obama Health Care Speech
Skybow: Hey there jvaski, good to see you here.

I agree that a system based on free enterprise, ie; Negotiation for good prices on drugs and more cost efficient services along with the other changes proposed will go far to improve the medical coverage we are currently not getting.

It needs a lot of reform and for all of you who are going to cry "Socialism!", I dare you to tell your grandmother or grandfather they have to refuse their SS checks and not use Medicare/Medicaid because it is too Socialistic.
laugh Well,you said itwave
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Sep 10, 2009 10:15 AM CST Obama Health Care Speech
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
Conrad73: Well,you said it


Call it what you want.....but what would you propose to address the problem Conrad ? dunno
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Sep 10, 2009 10:22 AM CST Obama Health Care Speech
southtc
southtcsouthtcBurnsville, Minnesota USA118 Posts
Skybow: It needs a lot of reform and for all of you who are going to cry "Socialism!", I dare you to tell your grandmother or grandfather they have to refuse their SS checks and not use Medicare/Medicaid because it is too Socialistic.


The same worn out lib argument that didn't apply before and doesn't apply now.

We pay into SS and Medicare/Medicaid through our working lives. They are things we've earned, not had handed to us by the government.

Bringing it to base, Nobama wants to take money from the rich, and hand it to the poor, the poor mainly being ones like Peggy the Moocher who think they are owed and don't have to earn. That's socialism and exactly Nobama's agenda.

In case you've forgotten who Peggy the Moocher is:

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