Obama Health Care Speech (104)
southtc: Yet another of ivanski's "constructive" comments.
So DID YOU WATCH THE SPEECH??
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jvaski: It looks good Conrad.......but it is government regulated health care and rates ........you sure that's what conservatives want ?
Gov. sets the Framework,it doesn't run it.one example of how it is done
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Yes it is!
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lookin4ubabe: It is not fair for us to pick up the burden of those that are not insured!! If you cannot afford it, you will be helped. It makes complete sense! It is clear in his proposal that Illegal aliens will not fall under this plan. If you have no income, the plan will be provided to you. The word Mandatory...scared us with car insurance too, but it has saved millions of people from going bankrupt do to outrageous expenses.
I agree, why should the rest of us pay for those who are using the emergency rooms rather than clinics and private Dr.s. The costs for that kind of medical care is through the roof and believe me the costs are passed on the the rest of us if we need hospital care.
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Skybow: I agree, why should the rest of us pay for those who are using the emergency rooms rather than clinics and private Dr.s. The costs for that kind of medical care is through the roof and believe me the costs are passed on the the rest of us if we need hospital care.
The word Mandatory does scare a ton of people.....until they wake up one morning and need it!!! Then, they will be so thankful they have it!!!
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lookin4ubabe: It is not fair for us to pick up the burden of those that are not insured!! If you cannot afford it, you will be helped. It makes complete sense! It is clear in his proposal that Illegal aliens will not fall under this plan. If you have no income, the plan will be provided to you. The word Mandatory...scared us with car insurance too, but it has saved millions of people from going bankrupt do to outrageous expenses.
No, but we pick up the burden for many not juat our Welfare system but in foreign aid. If you can't afford you will be helped is a contradiction to what you just said. Who will help? the middleclass TAXPAYER thats who. That has to buy INS from the goverment because it is MANDATORY and can be fined,large amounts whats next Jail...Then you said again if you have no income, the PLAN will provide for you...nice, who pays again ....I am not a car and driving is some say a privilege Our police have to issue tickets for no Ins when you get caught so the Ins co have the muscle of the police to enforce the Law will it get that way with Health Ins...Who pays the police not the Ins co the TAXPAYER....and you trust the government to run your life I guess life will be come a Privilege, SOON------ This thread is Archived ------
There was a brisk business of Americans buying drugs from Canada. Then George Bush met with the Canadian PM Martin and struck a deal to ban the import of lower priced drugs from Canada if Martin would lift the ban on Canadian beef exports into the US. They call that quid pro quo (you bend over for me, and I'll bend over for you). The Canadian cattlemen were ecstatic, the big American drug companies were ecstatic. Who got sold down the river? Our own beef producers and any American who needs medications to live. I'm sure Martin & Bush were handsomely rewarded for this bit of chicanery.
Lifting the ban on Canadian drug imports would help lower the cost of healthcare reform.
Lifting the ban on Canadian drug imports would help lower the cost of healthcare reform.
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gooddogman: No, but we pick up the burden for many not juat our Welfare system but in foreign aid. If you can't afford you will be helped is a contradiction to what you just said. Who will help? the middleclass TAXPAYER thats who. That has to buy INS from the goverment because it is MANDATORY and can be fined,large amounts whats next Jail...Then you said again if you have no income, the PLAN will provide for you...nice, who pays again ....I am not a car and driving is some say a privilege Our police have to issue tickets for no Ins when you get caught so the Ins co have the muscle of the police to enforce the Law will it get that way with Health Ins...Who pays the police not the Ins co the TAXPAYER....and you trust the government to run your life I guess life will be come a Privilege, SOON
The 900 Billion would come from cutting administrative costs and eliminating wasteful spending. Most low income (or non income) persons would be eligible under that plan. We would not be footing the bill. Did you watch his speech last night?
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southtc: The same worn out lib argument that didn't apply before and doesn't apply now.
We pay into SS and Medicare/Medicaid through our working lives. They are things we've earned, not had handed to us by the government.
Bringing it to base, Nobama wants to take money from the rich, and hand it to the poor, the poor mainly being ones like Peggy the Moocher who think they are owed and don't have to earn. That's socialism and exactly Nobama's agenda.
In case you've forgotten who Peggy the Moocher is:
First of all that girl Peggy is totally misinformed, but more importantly, you are doing yourself a big disservice by mocking on Obama's name by calling him "Nobama" because the moment you do that you set the tone of the debate to antagonistic and it ceases to be a debate but a fight. People will know your position by your words which they will read and absorb but the moment you start name calling all that comes to a screeching halt and I for one just stop reading anything you have to say.We pay into SS and Medicare/Medicaid through our working lives. They are things we've earned, not had handed to us by the government.
Bringing it to base, Nobama wants to take money from the rich, and hand it to the poor, the poor mainly being ones like Peggy the Moocher who think they are owed and don't have to earn. That's socialism and exactly Nobama's agenda.
In case you've forgotten who Peggy the Moocher is:
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lookin4ubabe: The 900 Billion would come from cutting administrative costs and eliminating wasteful spending. Most low income (or non income) persons would be eligible under that plan. We would not be footing the bill. Did you watch his speech last night?
I watch the speech. I have heard many speeches over the years and I have found that when the Bill is past to law there are things that were left out of the speech but put into law. I don't believe all I read or hear. A speech can be giving and the truth still hiding....I will watch it several times. I look for key words like Mandatory...have you ever seen a shell game one hand moves the shell while the other hides the Ball. Politics....the ball is MONEY...------ This thread is Archived ------
Skybow: You seem to be a good man and have very real concerns. If your mind is made up with misinformation doesn't it seem reasonable to see if you can learn anything new or at least consider our different takes on this matter.
Our freedoms and civil rights were taken from us with the Patriot act, it has not been receded as far as I know.
Why should people not be responsible for taking care of their own health by having it mandatory. After all no one is twisting their arm to go to the ER's for cold symptoms, the flu or another of the thousands of reasons people clog the ER system and then can't afford to pay for it. They ones I'm talking about are the ones who currently are not insured and are poor usually. I keep trying to tell you that you are paying for this now but will likely have far less of this going on if prevention care clinics and reasonable insurance options are available to people.
Yes I am concerned. My mind is not made up as yours is. Why do I have misinformation and you have correct information. Because you heard the same speech, I just question things. I know that the Health care system needs to be fixed, But I question, Is this the way to do it. Yes a lot of freedom have been taken away because on a group of people that hate us. It now coast the American more to go to Canada because of the new Passport laws etc.. I have not problem with taking care of our poorer class but taking away and putting new Mandatory burdens on the working is not what in my OPIONION a answer to a problem but will create a new set of problems as the government has done in the past.Our freedoms and civil rights were taken from us with the Patriot act, it has not been receded as far as I know.
Why should people not be responsible for taking care of their own health by having it mandatory. After all no one is twisting their arm to go to the ER's for cold symptoms, the flu or another of the thousands of reasons people clog the ER system and then can't afford to pay for it. They ones I'm talking about are the ones who currently are not insured and are poor usually. I keep trying to tell you that you are paying for this now but will likely have far less of this going on if prevention care clinics and reasonable insurance options are available to people.
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Well friend, I've been a nurse since I was 20 years old. I'm now 58 and have been taking care of my disabled elderly mother for the last 5 years. I'm involved in pushing the insurance co's to pay for her care. I'm her poa, I also push the facility and her dr to take care of her.
She is alive and thriving and I'm very proud to day she is a Scan patient and planned so well for her retirement that I am able to private pay for a Skilled Nursing Facility for her. As her advocate and a nurse I have a lot of knowledge about this system and where it is flailing us now.
She is alive and thriving and I'm very proud to day she is a Scan patient and planned so well for her retirement that I am able to private pay for a Skilled Nursing Facility for her. As her advocate and a nurse I have a lot of knowledge about this system and where it is flailing us now.
gooddogman: Yes I am concerned. My mind is not made up as yours is. Why do I have misinformation and you have correct information. Because you heard the same speech, I just question things. I know that the Health care system needs to be fixed, But I question, Is this the way to do it. Yes a lot of freedom have been taken away because on a group of people that hate us. It now coast the American more to go to Canada because of the new Passport laws etc.. I have not problem with taking care of our poorer class but taking away and putting new Mandatory burdens on the working is not what in my OPIONION a answer to a problem but will create a new set of problems as the government has done in the past.
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Conrad73: Gov. sets the Framework,it doesn't run it.http://www.suva.ch/en/home_en/unternehmen.htm
one example of how it is done
one example of how it is done
No seriously.....I like the idea of that program ......and I would prefer that government actually doesn't run health care - just regulates it. Let's hope there's some reform re-vamping towards that direction .
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It would seem that we would learn from our mistakes. President Obama, being from Hawaii should at least be able to see the utter failure health care reform was there. Similar plan which resulted in those with insurance dumping their providers and overloading the health care system. Last time I checked their health care system was going bad (See attached link for story) They've also eliminated universal health care for children.
The degradation of the health care system in Hawaii isn't the only symptom of the problem. Also see in the attached are other examples of failure such as: "In mid-1993 Hawaii led the nation in bankruptcies, foreclosures, delinquent loans, all areas in which 20 years ago Hawaii was the envy of the United States .... Our major industry, tourism, is in serious decline, sugar. is ended as a viable employer, there is little manufacturing and economic diversity.... Since government neither listened nor modified the mandated health benefits, many businesses exercised the only option, they moved, to Las Vegas, Tucson, Seattle and elsewhere. Outrigger Hotels moved its reservations offices to Denver, more will leave, others will shut down. Landmark businesses, the Pearl City Tavern, the Willows, have gone, and they cited mandated health costs. And most telling is that the state of Hawaii has exempted state employees from the Hawaii Prepaid Health Care Act because it is too expensive and would place an excessive burden on the state economy. -State employees must pay 40 percent of their health insurance premiums, and the state has hired many so-called temporary hires to avoid this mandate."
It seems to me that we should take a really close look at the cause/affect of government run health care using Hawaii as a case study. I think we'll have a much better idea of just how to or not to address this problem.
Sure we need some reform but the cost of doing something halfway or out of ignorance in order to appease people is going to get real expensive with little or no benefit.
The degradation of the health care system in Hawaii isn't the only symptom of the problem. Also see in the attached are other examples of failure such as: "In mid-1993 Hawaii led the nation in bankruptcies, foreclosures, delinquent loans, all areas in which 20 years ago Hawaii was the envy of the United States .... Our major industry, tourism, is in serious decline, sugar. is ended as a viable employer, there is little manufacturing and economic diversity.... Since government neither listened nor modified the mandated health benefits, many businesses exercised the only option, they moved, to Las Vegas, Tucson, Seattle and elsewhere. Outrigger Hotels moved its reservations offices to Denver, more will leave, others will shut down. Landmark businesses, the Pearl City Tavern, the Willows, have gone, and they cited mandated health costs. And most telling is that the state of Hawaii has exempted state employees from the Hawaii Prepaid Health Care Act because it is too expensive and would place an excessive burden on the state economy. -State employees must pay 40 percent of their health insurance premiums, and the state has hired many so-called temporary hires to avoid this mandate."
It seems to me that we should take a really close look at the cause/affect of government run health care using Hawaii as a case study. I think we'll have a much better idea of just how to or not to address this problem.
Sure we need some reform but the cost of doing something halfway or out of ignorance in order to appease people is going to get real expensive with little or no benefit.
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Let's not forget this:
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That's a very good point Sparky (BTW good to see you again), I will need to do some reading about the issue of how the Hi heath care system disintegrated. I'm glad you brought that up!
And AnAngel thank you for posting that link, I will be reading it too it looks interesting.
It is truly a case of buyer beware isn't it?
I'll be back later, got to take mom to a Dr appt. now.
And AnAngel thank you for posting that link, I will be reading it too it looks interesting.
It is truly a case of buyer beware isn't it?
I'll be back later, got to take mom to a Dr appt. now.
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AnAngelAlways: Let's not forget this:
Thank You. Whats behind the curtain. 3# The wife of the Prez.....
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Skybow: That's a very good point Sparky (BTW good to see you again), I will need to do some reading about the issue of how the Hi heath care system disintegrated. I'm glad you brought that up!
And AnAngel thank you for posting that link, I will be reading it too it looks interesting.
It is truly a case of buyer beware isn't it?
I'll be back later, got to take mom to a Dr appt. now.
And AnAngel thank you for posting that link, I will be reading it too it looks interesting.
It is truly a case of buyer beware isn't it?
I'll be back later, got to take mom to a Dr appt. now.
Good to see you too Skybow..
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gooddogman: Thank You. Whats behind the curtain. 3# The wife of the Prez.....
Read it for yourself,jvaski. Not only was it shocking, but very painful to learn what was done to the poor patients. You see, they were dumped so that more affluent patients could be treated, while the poor patients were treated like so much chattel. It speaks volumes about character or lack thereof, while money talks.
You see, my husband works in the health care industry. He got his start as a cardiology technician while in the Army nearly twenty years ago. After leaving the Army, we moved to Minnesota (his home state) and he became the Electrophysiology co-ordinator for nine years. He still assists them from time to time to this day. He now works for a company called ELA Medical (the Sorin Group) which is based out of France and travels extensively working with hospitals and administrators to get the best possible care and medical products for patients. He's told me horror stories of seeing patients being treated badly, not only by the hospital, but by doctors as well. It's really sad.
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