If God is very forgiving, why Adam was immediately expelled from the Garden? (71)
guidethessaloniki, Central Macedonia Greece50 PostsIf i remember well it is listed in the Bible, but you are free to have your own opinion
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Conrad73: Made of Clay,yet a Disembodied Spirit!
Make up your mind!
Make up your mind!
If i remember well it is listed in the Bible, but you are free to have your own opinion
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If i remember well, after Adam ate the apple, God called him and Adam lied to God. Adam was not punished for eating the fruit but for lying to God and trying to blame Eve for his fault, instead of asking for forgiveness. God still gave him (and all humans) the option to return to the initial condition he was before getting the material body.[/quotYou were there?
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guide: If i remember well it is listed in the Bible, but you are free to have your own opinion
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guide: If i remember well it is listed in the Bible, but you are free to have your own opinion
Sixth day: God commands the land to bring forth living creatures (seventh command); He makes wild beasts, livestock and reptiles. He then creates Man and Woman in His "image" and "likeness" (eighth command). They are told to "be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it." Humans and animals are given plants to eat. The totality of creation is described by God as "very good."
That sound like Disembodied Spirits?
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Conrad73: Sixth day: God commands the land to bring forth living creatures (seventh command); He makes wild beasts, livestock and reptiles. He then creates Man and Woman in His "image" and "likeness" (eighth command). They are told to "be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it." Humans and animals are given plants to eat. The totality of creation is described by God as "very good."
That sound like Disembodied Spirits?
That sound like Disembodied Spirits?
If you take the Old Testament by word, it means that for you God got pieces of leather sewed them together and made robes for adam and Eve?
if you believe so you are also right 
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scon1916: If i remember well, after Adam ate the apple, God called him and Adam lied to God. Adam was not punished for eating the fruit but for lying to God and trying to blame Eve for his fault, instead of asking for forgiveness. God still gave him (and all humans) the option to return to the initial condition he was before getting the material body.[/quotYou were there?
of course, but for some reason they forgott to mention it when the Bible was wrote
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mmusa: Ok we agree.I am a faithful one. But why God choose to punish...
Why did not forgive
It is not a matter of punishing..it is a matter of free will. Why did not forgive
The atheist says, after something like Katrina, where is God in all this, when we have systematically cast god from our lives, our schools, our public building...etc..
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Conrad73: So now Adam sins,and I have to pick up the Bill!
What a crappy Idea of Morality and Justice!
He might not even have been my Ancestor,in spite of what some say!
What a crappy Idea of Morality and Justice!
He might not even have been my Ancestor,in spite of what some say!
Every Person is Responsible for Their Action!
this is what Islam preaches. This is what people throughout the world preach. We consider fair that no person be held accountable or responsible for someone else's mistake. That if blame is due, then it is due on who deserves it. That if punishment is to be made, it ought to be on the one who wronged. We consider that to be fair.
The Quran states:
"That no burdened person (with sins) shall bear the burden (sins) of another. And that man can have nothing but what he does (of good and bad). And that his deeds will be seen, Then he will be recompensed with a full and the best recompense " (Quran 53:38-41)
The Quranic message is: whatever it is that you do, you are alone will be held responsible for, not your brother, not your father, not your mother, not your children.
so do not worry, you're gonna pay your own bills!!
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Yeah..but women get to have periods and painful child birth!! 
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Adam sinned as we all have.
Adam was not kicked out of Heaven...it was a garden in Eden on the Earth.
One sin only is still under the penalty of death.
There is no remission of sin without the sheding of blood.
Man's blood is breathed into with the life of God....it is only good enough to pay the penalty.
Animal's blood was not, but used as as shadow of that to come.
Christ immortal blood was able to pay one penalty and still pay another and another and another....therefore paying all by one death of Christ. If you accept it under conditions.....you are then sold under blood and not your own.....you sell your mortal life for the blood and the gift (free) of eternal life and becoming sons and daughters of the only living God.
Adam was not kicked out of Heaven...it was a garden in Eden on the Earth.
One sin only is still under the penalty of death.
There is no remission of sin without the sheding of blood.
Man's blood is breathed into with the life of God....it is only good enough to pay the penalty.
Animal's blood was not, but used as as shadow of that to come.
Christ immortal blood was able to pay one penalty and still pay another and another and another....therefore paying all by one death of Christ. If you accept it under conditions.....you are then sold under blood and not your own.....you sell your mortal life for the blood and the gift (free) of eternal life and becoming sons and daughters of the only living God.
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First, the Garden was perfect. When Adam sinned he was no longer perfect and could not live there. God did spare his life.Adam was told by God he could eat anything in the garden, except for one fruit. Adam ate it anyway (he knew better) and was punished for it. As for forgiviness, remember, Jesus was not on earth at that time. We are forgiven for what Jesus did. Ron
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God IS forgiving, but that does not mean there are no consequences for our actions. For example, you can be forgiven for killing some one, but they will still be dead. Did God punish Adam, or did he punish himself by losing his innocence and dependence on God?
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callibya: Every Person is Responsible for Their Action!
this is what Islam preaches. This is what people throughout the world preach. We consider fair that no person be held accountable or responsible for someone else's mistake. That if blame is due, then it is due on who deserves it. That if punishment is to be made, it ought to be on the one who wronged. We consider that to be fair.
The Quran states:
"That no burdened person (with sins) shall bear the burden (sins) of another. And that man can have nothing but what he does (of good and bad). And that his deeds will be seen, Then he will be recompensed with a full and the best recompense " (Quran 53:38-41)
The Quranic message is: whatever it is that you do, you are alone will be held responsible for, not your brother, not your father, not your mother, not your children.
so do not worry, you're gonna pay your own bills!!
You bet!this is what Islam preaches. This is what people throughout the world preach. We consider fair that no person be held accountable or responsible for someone else's mistake. That if blame is due, then it is due on who deserves it. That if punishment is to be made, it ought to be on the one who wronged. We consider that to be fair.
The Quran states:
"That no burdened person (with sins) shall bear the burden (sins) of another. And that man can have nothing but what he does (of good and bad). And that his deeds will be seen, Then he will be recompensed with a full and the best recompense " (Quran 53:38-41)
The Quranic message is: whatever it is that you do, you are alone will be held responsible for, not your brother, not your father, not your mother, not your children.
so do not worry, you're gonna pay your own bills!!
Definitely ain't gonna take on any of yours.
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61dude: First, the Garden was perfect. When Adam sinned he was no longer perfect and could not live there. God did spare his life.Adam was told by God he could eat anything in the garden, except for one fruit. Adam ate it anyway (he knew better) and was punished for it. As for forgiviness, remember, Jesus was not on earth at that time. We are forgiven for what Jesus did. Ron
If one does not follow the rules and there is no punishment, then there are no rules. To sin and have all thigs perfect gives the freedom to sin without limits. So out Adam went to endure that he had choose to know.....good and evil....to rule and judge as he sees fit.
Read! John 1 1-4
The word was at Eden and later became Christ!
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61dude: First, the Garden was perfect. When Adam sinned he was no longer perfect and could not live there. God did spare his life.Adam was told by God he could eat anything in the garden, except for one fruit. Adam ate it anyway (he knew better) and was punished for it. As for forgiviness, remember, Jesus was not on earth at that time. We are forgiven for what Jesus did. Ron
so you are saying that adam is screwed up because jesus was not there to ask god to ask for "forgiveness" for adam?
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mmusa: This matter had not previously come to my mind
We believe that;Adam has sinned, and God is expelled him from heaven as a punishment.
That was only sin of Adam.But God did not forgive him.
Why?
So how we believe that our sins forgiven ?
And the Christians saying, Christ died for the sins how they can believethat ?
I am waiting yours comments with curiously
We believe that;Adam has sinned, and God is expelled him from heaven as a punishment.
That was only sin of Adam.But God did not forgive him.
Why?
So how we believe that our sins forgiven ?
And the Christians saying, Christ died for the sins how they can believethat ?
I am waiting yours comments with curiously
Simply because it wasn't "God" who kicked Adam out of the "garden", it was Adam who expelled himself... It was psychological but don't pay attention
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Grandepensees: Simply because it wasn't "God" who kicked Adam out of the "garden", it was Adam who expelled himself... It was psychological but don't pay attention
as i have told it many times, i think, Adam just got bored having only good time in the heaven doing absolutely nothing. So he just wanted to do/try something different..besides he also wanted to explore the other world insteading of spending the whole life in heaven, just like we also like to travel to places from time to time..
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mnowsa: as i have told it many times, i think, Adam just got bored having only good time in the heaven doing absolutely nothing. So he just wanted to do/try something different..besides he also wanted to explore the other world insteading of spending the whole life in heaven, just like we also like to travel to places from time to time..
The truths of the Bible are like shadows against a wall... Some only see what's causing the shadow and others see the shadow for what it really is... Whoever understands that is blessed indeed.
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