this goes to far (21)
ukrainegary48: The parents of a young boy say it's a case of zero tolerance going too far. Their 6-year-old was suspended from school for 45 days and might be sent to a reform school -- all because he brought a Boy Scout camping utensil to school.
Zach Christie is every parent's dream -- a child who loves school. "[I like] recess and math and science and all that -- and reading," he said.
That's why his mother Debbie was so confused when she recently received a phone call. "I got a call from the principal telling me to come down, that Zach had carried a dangerous weapon into school and was going to be suspended," she said.
Talkback:
Click Here to Comment on this StoryHer son is also a Cub Scout and for camping trips, his parents bought him a combination spoon, fork and knife. In his excitement, Zach brought it to school where a teacher saw it.
"I wasn't really trying to get in trouble. I was just trying to eat lunch with it," he said.
The school considers the tool's knife a dangerous item -- an immediate cause for suspension and reform school. But the boy's mother says it's a tool with eating utensils and not a weapon. She says the zero-tolerance policy is harming her son and others.
"They are using black-and-white rules and applying them to everybody and there is a lot of damage to the kids in between," she said.
The school board president defended the decision to the New York Times saying, "There is no parent who wants to get a phone call where they hear... someone pulled out a knife," but added that the board might adjust the rules for young children.
Meanwhile, the Christies say they will continue to fight the ruling. "When I'm standing up to the board, I'm [kind of] proud and I'm [kind of] scared," said Zach Christie. "But I know what I have to do and I have to do it."
The tragedy at Columbine High School is one of the reasons many school districts around the country have adopted zero-tolerance policies on weapons. But this situation has some people asking if those policies go too far.
Zach Christie is every parent's dream -- a child who loves school. "[I like] recess and math and science and all that -- and reading," he said.
That's why his mother Debbie was so confused when she recently received a phone call. "I got a call from the principal telling me to come down, that Zach had carried a dangerous weapon into school and was going to be suspended," she said.
Talkback:
Click Here to Comment on this StoryHer son is also a Cub Scout and for camping trips, his parents bought him a combination spoon, fork and knife. In his excitement, Zach brought it to school where a teacher saw it.
"I wasn't really trying to get in trouble. I was just trying to eat lunch with it," he said.
The school considers the tool's knife a dangerous item -- an immediate cause for suspension and reform school. But the boy's mother says it's a tool with eating utensils and not a weapon. She says the zero-tolerance policy is harming her son and others.
"They are using black-and-white rules and applying them to everybody and there is a lot of damage to the kids in between," she said.
The school board president defended the decision to the New York Times saying, "There is no parent who wants to get a phone call where they hear... someone pulled out a knife," but added that the board might adjust the rules for young children.
Meanwhile, the Christies say they will continue to fight the ruling. "When I'm standing up to the board, I'm [kind of] proud and I'm [kind of] scared," said Zach Christie. "But I know what I have to do and I have to do it."
The tragedy at Columbine High School is one of the reasons many school districts around the country have adopted zero-tolerance policies on weapons. But this situation has some people asking if those policies go too far.
I read this in the news today....Fox News
------ This thread is Archived ------
i have to admit i watching oreilly on Internet. i cant believe i agreed with oreilly. he said take knife from kid. give it back to him after school.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Just a "taste" of things to come with
Obam-Mama force feeding us left-wing stew..:
---SoldierByte---
Obam-Mama force feeding us left-wing stew..:
---SoldierByte---
------ This thread is Archived ------
The teachers unions have dumbed down schools today to an unbelievable level.
They have lost any and all common sense.
Sad.
Beyond sad.
Sick.
They have lost any and all common sense.
Sad.
Beyond sad.
Sick.
------ This thread is Archived ------
i think some on here are about my age, i was in high school in the late 70s. we had know cops in are schools. but nowadays they got cops everywhere. you can blame this on the bleeding hearts.
------ This thread is Archived ------
ukrainegary48: i have to admit i watching oreilly on Internet. i cant believe i agreed with oreilly. he said take knife from kid. give it back to him after school.
That would be the logical thing to do IF the boy does not have any records against him.From just this article, I get the impression that he was a victom of strict rules, that he didn't mean any harm. A 45 day suspension is quite stiff here, I believe.
------ This thread is Archived ------
In this case it defies common sense, they surely can't punish the lad on this, he has no prior history I assume and good references I am sure.
It is madness, just crazy .....
It is madness, just crazy .....
------ This thread is Archived ------
YouMeUs: That would be the logical thing to do IF the boy does not have any records against him.
From just this article, I get the impression that he was a victom of strict rules, that he didn't mean any harm. A 45 day suspension is quite stiff here, I believe.
Victim, darnit. From just this article, I get the impression that he was a victom of strict rules, that he didn't mean any harm. A 45 day suspension is quite stiff here, I believe.
------ This thread is Archived ------
YouMeUs: That would be the logical thing to do IF the boy does not have any records against him.
From just this article, I get the impression that he was a victom of strict rules, that he didn't mean any harm. A 45 day suspension is quite stiff here, I believe.
i don't believe the little kid had any kind of record.From just this article, I get the impression that he was a victom of strict rules, that he didn't mean any harm. A 45 day suspension is quite stiff here, I believe.
------ This thread is Archived ------
ukrainegary48: i don't believe the little kid had any kind of record.
Exactly. And that tool does also have a knife blade in it. But if we really think about it, kids carry legal weapons to school everyday. Pens, sharpened pencils, protractors..etc, can do the same thing a knife can.Commenting on your previous post, you're right. We didn't have any cops hanging around schools and there weren't any check points either. Teachers were usually the ones who handled any situation and often times, a paddle was used for discipline.
------ This thread is Archived ------
YouMeUs: Exactly. And that tool does also have a knife blade in it. But if we really think about it, kids carry legal weapons to school everyday. Pens, sharpened pencils, protractors..etc, can do the same thing a knife can.
Commenting on your previous post, you're right. We didn't have any cops hanging around schools and there weren't any check points either. Teachers were usually the ones who handled any situation and often times, a paddle was used for discipline.
Commenting on your previous post, you're right. We didn't have any cops hanging around schools and there weren't any check points either. Teachers were usually the ones who handled any situation and often times, a paddle was used for discipline.
If I were to restrain a child who was hitting another there would be an investigation. There would be a good chance of a law suit from the child's family.
If I didn't, there would be an investigation. There would be a good chance of a law suit from the other child's family.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Allow me to play devil's advocate here. What if some other kid, not mentally stable, got a hold of this boy's knife and used it? Yes, I think the penalty that they are giving this boy may be harsh under the conditions, but I can also see their side of thinking too. These days things are so different. You do hear of very young kids killing other kids.
------ This thread is Archived ------
woodzchick: Allow me to play devil's advocate here. What if some other kid, not mentally stable, got a hold of this boy's knife and used it? Yes, I think the penalty that they are giving this boy may be harsh under the conditions, but I can also see their side of thinking too. These days things are so different. You do hear of very young kids killing other kids.
Should we take all of the silverware out of the lunchroom too based on that argument?
We do keep an eye out for problems with the children including signs of mental illness.
For the record most people with a mental illness do not act out against others.
I wouldn't want to see a kid bringing a hunting knife into one of my classes but the scout tool would have been a good show and tell item and a good opening for a talk about being careful of knives when you use them.
------ This thread is Archived ------
woodzchick: Allow me to play devil's advocate here. What if some other kid, not mentally stable, got a hold of this boy's knife and used it? Yes, I think the penalty that they are giving this boy may be harsh under the conditions, but I can also see their side of thinking too. These days things are so different. You do hear of very young kids killing other kids.
i guess i,m from the old school. i think nowadays they keep kids from being kids. i also think they give kids to much medicine. some kids need it but not the way they do thinks to days. i use to tell my wife don't worry he is just a kid. he grow out of his wildness.------ This thread is Archived ------
..............
You brought back a situation,which I have never forgotten and neither as my Son.
In the mid nineties my Son and I had just finished building a pretty big Model of American B17 Bomber of the WW2 .....My Son was so proud,and rightly so,and he took to it his primary school (elementary school I think its called in America) to show it to all his school friends ....I thought no harm in that...Was I wrong on that decision....!!!!
Cut the long story short ....I got a phone of the Lady principal from the School,and she ripped into me..... for it was totally 'inappropriate' to being ....wait for it..!!!...a War mongering Male oppressing replica of an evil War caused by Men.....
Unfortunately for her....I didn't take that crap, and lash back at her and told her in no uncertain terms where she could stuff her 'new age politician correctness'....and sternly told the Lady principle 'Ever heard of History....??????'....And if I want to teach my Son History both in as in good and bad....that is my business ....not yours.....!!
J.D
You brought back a situation,which I have never forgotten and neither as my Son. In the mid nineties my Son and I had just finished building a pretty big Model of American B17 Bomber of the WW2 .....My Son was so proud,and rightly so,and he took to it his primary school (elementary school I think its called in America) to show it to all his school friends ....I thought no harm in that...Was I wrong on that decision....!!!!
Cut the long story short ....I got a phone of the Lady principal from the School,and she ripped into me..... for it was totally 'inappropriate' to being ....wait for it..!!!...a War mongering Male oppressing replica of an evil War caused by Men.....
Unfortunately for her....I didn't take that crap, and lash back at her and told her in no uncertain terms where she could stuff her 'new age politician correctness'....and sternly told the Lady principle 'Ever heard of History....??????'....And if I want to teach my Son History both in as in good and bad....that is my business ....not yours.....!!
J.D
------ This thread is Archived ------
lights: The teachers unions have dumbed down schools today to an unbelievable level.
They have lost any and all common sense.
Sad.
Beyond sad.
Sick.
They have lost any and all common sense.
Sad.
Beyond sad.
Sick.
.............Well said,and also might I add ....'Political Correctness' as gone right overboard ......
J.D
------ This thread is Archived ------
Thank you "Liberal" government..
------ This thread is Archived ------
virgiomonkey: .............. You brought back a situation,which I have never forgotten and neither as my Son.
In the mid nineties my Son and I had just finished building a pretty big Model of American B17 Bomber of the WW2 .....My Son was so proud,and rightly so,and he took to it his primary school (elementary school I think its called in America) to show it to all his school friends ....I thought no harm in that...Was I wrong on that decision....!!!!
Cut the long story short ....I got a phone of the Lady principal from the School,and she ripped into me..... for it was totally 'inappropriate' to being ....wait for it..!!!...a War mongering Male oppressing replica of an evil War caused by Men.....
Unfortunately for her....I didn't take that crap, and lash back at her and told her in no uncertain terms where she could stuff her 'new age politician correctness'....and sternly told the Lady principle 'Ever heard of History....??????'....And if I want to teach my Son History both in as in good and bad....that is my business ....not yours.....!!
J.D
Sounds like yet another case of someone wanting to rewrite history, or wanting to forget it ever happened. It's that type of mentality that's causing doubts and disbeliefs in the younger generation about that war and other parts of our history. Good or bad, history should not be rewritten and it should not be humanly OR politically correct to do so. History, in its corrective form helps us to learn from our mistakes. When you hide the truth, you live in a lie.In the mid nineties my Son and I had just finished building a pretty big Model of American B17 Bomber of the WW2 .....My Son was so proud,and rightly so,and he took to it his primary school (elementary school I think its called in America) to show it to all his school friends ....I thought no harm in that...Was I wrong on that decision....!!!!
Cut the long story short ....I got a phone of the Lady principal from the School,and she ripped into me..... for it was totally 'inappropriate' to being ....wait for it..!!!...a War mongering Male oppressing replica of an evil War caused by Men.....
Unfortunately for her....I didn't take that crap, and lash back at her and told her in no uncertain terms where she could stuff her 'new age politician correctness'....and sternly told the Lady principle 'Ever heard of History....??????'....And if I want to teach my Son History both in as in good and bad....that is my business ....not yours.....!!
J.D
Good for you that you gave that principal a reminder of history, J.D.
And yes, here it's called elementary, then there's middle or Jr. High followed by High school.
Getting back on topic, the worst I'd ever seen or heard while in school was an occasional smoke bomb in the boys room. Or, several of us picking up a visitor's car from the parking lot and carry it over by an entrance way and set it down on the sidewalk. My, how times have changed.
------ This thread is Archived ------
I back the parent's decision to fight the ruling 100%. The problem though is that this boy will be used to set an example to other kids who may intentionally want to bring something to school with the intent to harm someone. The school board once they make a ruling have never been known to change their decision. If one set of parents can make that happen then they feel as if every other parent will bombard them with complaints over rulings set against their child(ren). The only other option may be to remove their son to another school district rather than have his education interrupted and scar him emotionally. 
------ This thread is Archived ------
This Thread is Archived
This Thread is archived, so you will no longer be able to post to it. Threads get archived automatically when they are older than 3 months.
« Go back to All Threads
« Go back to All Threads
More Threads
Kultur-multur
Karen McDougal - Playmate Model will testify in Hush Money Trial
The weird and the random facts around the world
your favorite topic?
Unions support Democrats!
s*xual skills
Would you hire this guy - for any job?
Happy Birthday MysteriousGirl80
men's perspective towards women
The GOP Representatives owned by Vladimir Putin
More Threads
Report threads that break rules, are offensive, or contain fighting. Staff may not be aware of the forum abuse, and cannot do anything about it unless you tell us about it. click to report forum abuse »
If one of the comments is offensive, please report the comment instead (there is a link in each comment to report it).
If one of the comments is offensive, please report the comment instead (there is a link in each comment to report it).
Stats for this Thread
892 Views
20 Comments
Created: Oct 2009
Last Viewed: Apr 19
Last Commented: Oct 2009
0 Likes
Related Forums
- Kultur-multur
- Karen McDougal - Playmate Model will testify in Hush Money Trial
- The weird and the random facts around the world
- your favorite topic?
- Unions support Democrats!
- s*xual skills
- Would you hire this guy - for any job?
- Happy Birthday MysteriousGirl80
- men's perspective towards women
- The GOP Representatives owned by Vladimir Putin
Zach Christie is every parent's dream -- a child who loves school. "[I like] recess and math and science and all that -- and reading," he said.
That's why his mother Debbie was so confused when she recently received a phone call. "I got a call from the principal telling me to come down, that Zach had carried a dangerous weapon into school and was going to be suspended," she said.
Talkback:
Click Here to Comment on this Story
Her son is also a Cub Scout and for camping trips, his parents bought him a combination spoon, fork and knife. In his excitement, Zach brought it to school where a teacher saw it.
"I wasn't really trying to get in trouble. I was just trying to eat lunch with it," he said.
The school considers the tool's knife a dangerous item -- an immediate cause for suspension and reform school. But the boy's mother says it's a tool with eating utensils and not a weapon. She says the zero-tolerance policy is harming her son and others.
"They are using black-and-white rules and applying them to everybody and there is a lot of damage to the kids in between," she said.
The school board president defended the decision to the New York Times saying, "There is no parent who wants to get a phone call where they hear... someone pulled out a knife," but added that the board might adjust the rules for young children.
Meanwhile, the Christies say they will continue to fight the ruling. "When I'm standing up to the board, I'm [kind of] proud and I'm [kind of] scared," said Zach Christie. "But I know what I have to do and I have to do it."
The tragedy at Columbine High School is one of the reasons many school districts around the country have adopted zero-tolerance policies on weapons. But this situation has some people asking if those policies go too far.