International Law Enforcement Operates in U.S. (464)
Leem1Dublin, Ireland117 PostsI have read all this thread and it has gone off the point a lot!
But on the origional topic. Do a lot of people posting know hat interpol does? Reading some posts a lot of Americans seem to think they will be investigating crimes that happened in the US were the suspect is still in the US. This is not the case. Interpol basically chase internation criminals. People who comit a serious crime in one country and then go on the run internationally. All Obama has done is allow interpol to investigae and arrest CRIMINALS hiding the the US to avoid trial. Interpol only investigate serious crime so these people could be rapists and murderers. Why would you not want interpol to have to power to arrest and take these people from your country?
But on the origional topic. Do a lot of people posting know hat interpol does? Reading some posts a lot of Americans seem to think they will be investigating crimes that happened in the US were the suspect is still in the US. This is not the case. Interpol basically chase internation criminals. People who comit a serious crime in one country and then go on the run internationally. All Obama has done is allow interpol to investigae and arrest CRIMINALS hiding the the US to avoid trial. Interpol only investigate serious crime so these people could be rapists and murderers. Why would you not want interpol to have to power to arrest and take these people from your country?------ This thread is Archived ------
Leem1: I have read all this thread and it has gone off the point a lot! But on the origional topic. Do a lot of people posting know hat interpol does? Reading some posts a lot of Americans seem to think they will be investigating crimes that happened in the US were the suspect is still in the US. This is not the case. Interpol basically chase internation criminals. People who comit a serious crime in one country and then go on the run internationally. All Obama has done is allow interpol to investigae and arrest CRIMINALS hiding the the US to avoid trial. Interpol only investigate serious crime so these people could be rapists and murderers. Why would you not want interpol to have to power to arrest and take these people from your country?
'cause it is NOT their Job!Read their Charter!
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jvaski: If Interpol uses tall slender european blondes as investigative operatives with the state of California - I'm all fo it !
Tall European blondes from Interpol only go to state that are debt free, Javanski. CA gets former Russian KGB female agents that were former weight lifters on the Russian Olympics team.
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ttom500: Tall European blondes from Interpol only go to state that are debt free, Javanski. CA gets former Russian KGB female agents that were former weight lifters on the Russian Olympics team.
About the Size of Arnie?
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Conrad73: About the Size of Arnie?
If it is a duck and walks like a duck......but that was said in a early thread that got closed.....so will not finish the quote.
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Conrad73: 'cause it is NOT their Job!
Read their Charter!
Read their Charter!
I read their charter. Whats your point?
The mandate and the primary task of INTERPOL is to support police and law enforcement agencies in its 186 member countries in their efforts to prevent crime and conduct criminal investigations as efficiently and effectively as possible. Specifically,INTERPOL facilitates cross border police cooperation and, as appropriate, supports governmental and intergovernmental organizations, authorities and services whose
mission is to prevent or combat crime.
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ttom500: If it is a duck and walks like a duck......but that was said in a early thread that got closed.....so will not finish the quote.
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Leem1: I read their charter. Whats your point?
The mandate and the primary task of INTERPOL is to support police and law enforcement agencies in its 186 member countries in their efforts to prevent crime and conduct criminal investigations as efficiently and effectively as possible. Specifically,INTERPOL facilitates cross border police cooperation and, as appropriate, supports governmental and intergovernmental organizations, authorities and services whose
mission is to prevent or combat crime.
Yep,NOT to operate Independently without any restraints!The mandate and the primary task of INTERPOL is to support police and law enforcement agencies in its 186 member countries in their efforts to prevent crime and conduct criminal investigations as efficiently and effectively as possible. Specifically,INTERPOL facilitates cross border police cooperation and, as appropriate, supports governmental and intergovernmental organizations, authorities and services whose
mission is to prevent or combat crime.
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ttom500: How about the national agency in country which the crime was committed?
But the criminals will be abroad? How can Irish police investigate and arrest a suspect in America? We need a international force with these powers?
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Conrad73: Yep,NOT to operate Independently without any restraints!
Who ever said "Independantly" or "Without restarints"???? It just says they will be allowed certain privileges, exemption and immunities. I am sure they will still work closely with the local police. It;s not a case of flying in, grabbing a suspect and flying out without permission! Only America does that!
Amending Executive Order 12425 Designating Interpol as a public international organization entitled to enjoy certain privileges, exemptions, and immunities."
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Leem1: But the criminals will be abroad? How can Irish police investigate and arrest a suspect in America? We need a international force with these powers?
No way,Jose!NOT without any Checks and Balances.And those are the very things Obama signed away,which is actually the Subject of the Thread,not whether we need INTERPOL or not!
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Conrad73: No way,Jose!
NOT without any Checks and Balances.And those are the very things Obama signed away,which is actually the Subject of the Thread,not whether we need INTERPOL or not!
NOT without any Checks and Balances.And those are the very things Obama signed away,which is actually the Subject of the Thread,not whether we need INTERPOL or not!
How do you know what he signed away? I have checked the page the OP poster claims this info is on. I can't see it. All i can see is words like certain privleges. Show me where it saya without checks and balances?????????
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Leem1: How do you know what he signed away? I have checked the page the OP poster claims this info is on. I can't see it. All i can see is words like certain privleges. Show me where it saya without checks and balances?????????
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Leem1: I read their charter. Whats your point?
The mandate and the primary task of INTERPOL is to support police and law enforcement agencies in its 186 member countries in their efforts to prevent crime and conduct criminal investigations as efficiently and effectively as possible. Specifically,INTERPOL facilitates cross border police cooperation and, as appropriate, supports governmental and intergovernmental organizations, authorities and services whose
mission is to prevent or combat crime.
The mandate and the primary task of INTERPOL is to support police and law enforcement agencies in its 186 member countries in their efforts to prevent crime and conduct criminal investigations as efficiently and effectively as possible. Specifically,INTERPOL facilitates cross border police cooperation and, as appropriate, supports governmental and intergovernmental organizations, authorities and services whose
mission is to prevent or combat crime.
Read the words...'support'...'faciliate' to investigations of the 186 police and law enforcement agency.
INTERPOL is a support organization....not a investigation agency.
How doe sit support? By having data bases of criminal that cross borders. By collecting crime data from many countries to show trends.
By having a evidence forenics group that can anaylsis crime evidence.
But actual investigators....that follow suspects around the world....
is not part of their charter. But over the years this has gotten blurred in public opinion.
Legally, INTERPOL has no country jurisdiction (unless it is France) to file criminal charges. Jurisdiction goes to the country of origin were the crime occurs.
So, yes...the only one that can file war crime trials charge on GWB or his minions......are................US Agencies or Iraqi.
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Conrad73: Go look for it yourself,since you never open any Links that People post anyway!
Ah so you can't find the page either. So your words of "without restraint" and "no checks" are just figments of your imagineation. I suggest people research the powers interpol have in America before coming on this thread and suggesting they have basic rendition rights.
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Leem1: Ah so you can't find the page either. So your words of "without restraint" and "no checks" are just figments of your imagineation. I suggest people research the powers interpol have in America before coming on this thread and suggesting they have basic rendition rights.
the "EXCEPT THOSE"-Clause in Obama's Order opens the Door for INTERPOL to do as they please!READ!------ This thread is Archived ------
Leem1: But the criminals will be abroad? How can Irish police investigate and arrest a suspect in America? We need a international force with these powers?
Here is how it done. A Irish suspect flees to the US. He is charged by Irish agencies in Ireland with a crime. The Irish Ministry of Justice files for a extradiction of the suspect from the US to Ireland with our Department of Juctice or State Department. When he is located here....the Irish law enforcement agency is notified....they can send agents to the arrest. Or US Department of Justice gives them the right with oversight to conduct a investigation here in the US looking for the suspect.
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Read the words...'support'...'faciliate' to investigations of the 186 police and law enforcement agency.
INTERPOL is a support organization....not a investigation agency.
How doe sit support? By having data bases of criminal that cross borders. By collecting crime data from many countries to show trends.
By having a evidence forenics group that can anaylsis crime evidence.
But actual investigators....that follow suspects around the world....
is not part of their charter. But over the years this has gotten blurred in public opinion.
Legally, INTERPOL has no country jurisdiction (unless it is France) to file criminal charges. Jurisdiction goes to the country of origin were the crime occurs.
So, yes...the only one that can file war crime trials charge on GWB or his minions......are................US Agencies or Iraqi.[/quote]
Who said anything about war crimes????????????? I was stating that a lot of you are making claims about the powers interpol have in America but I can't find anywhere that says they have those powers!!!!!
They have simply been allowed certain privleges in America by Obama. NOWHERE does it say they have powers of rendition or they don't have to notify local police when they are investigating anything. If you can find somewhere that says different plaese tell me because I can't find it.
INTERPOL is a support organization....not a investigation agency.
How doe sit support? By having data bases of criminal that cross borders. By collecting crime data from many countries to show trends.
By having a evidence forenics group that can anaylsis crime evidence.
But actual investigators....that follow suspects around the world....
is not part of their charter. But over the years this has gotten blurred in public opinion.
Legally, INTERPOL has no country jurisdiction (unless it is France) to file criminal charges. Jurisdiction goes to the country of origin were the crime occurs.
So, yes...the only one that can file war crime trials charge on GWB or his minions......are................US Agencies or Iraqi.[/quote]
Who said anything about war crimes????????????? I was stating that a lot of you are making claims about the powers interpol have in America but I can't find anywhere that says they have those powers!!!!!
They have simply been allowed certain privleges in America by Obama. NOWHERE does it say they have powers of rendition or they don't have to notify local police when they are investigating anything. If you can find somewhere that says different plaese tell me because I can't find it.
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The White House
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release
December 17, 2009
Executive Order -- Amending Executive Order 12425
EXECUTIVE ORDER
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AMENDING EXECUTIVE ORDER 12425 DESIGNATING INTERPOL
AS A PUBLIC INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION ENTITLED TO
ENJOY CERTAIN PRIVILEGES, EXEMPTIONS, AND IMMUNITIES
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (22 U.S.C. 288), and in order to extend the appropriate privileges, exemptions, and immunities to the International Criminal Police Organization (INTERPOL), it is hereby ordered that Executive Order 12425 of June 16, 1983, as amended, is further amended by deleting from the first sentence the words "except those provided by Section 2(c), Section 3, Section 4, Section 5, and Section 6 of that Act" and the semicolon that immediately precedes them.
BARACK OBAMA
THE WHITE HOUSE,
December 16, 2009.
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release
December 17, 2009
Executive Order -- Amending Executive Order 12425
EXECUTIVE ORDER
- - - - - - -
AMENDING EXECUTIVE ORDER 12425 DESIGNATING INTERPOL
AS A PUBLIC INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION ENTITLED TO
ENJOY CERTAIN PRIVILEGES, EXEMPTIONS, AND IMMUNITIES
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (22 U.S.C. 288), and in order to extend the appropriate privileges, exemptions, and immunities to the International Criminal Police Organization (INTERPOL), it is hereby ordered that Executive Order 12425 of June 16, 1983, as amended, is further amended by deleting from the first sentence the words "except those provided by Section 2(c), Section 3, Section 4, Section 5, and Section 6 of that Act" and the semicolon that immediately precedes them.
BARACK OBAMA
THE WHITE HOUSE,
December 16, 2009.
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ttom500: Here is how it done. A Irish suspect flees to the US. He is charged by Irish agencies in Ireland with a crime. The Irish Ministry of Justice files for a extradiction of the suspect from the US to Ireland with our Department of Juctice or State Department. When he is located here....the Irish law enforcement agency is notified....they can send agents to the arrest. Or US Department of Justice gives them the right with oversight to conduct a investigation here in the US looking for the suspect.
Yes but what if a criminal flees Ireland and the Irish police don't know where he is? Interpol can help with such cases. I really dont see the problem. Why would you be against another agency to catch serious criminals?
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