International Law Enforcement Operates in U.S. (464)
Funny no one has posted on this, Healthy living. But you know me...always willing to put my foot out.....to arrive at a foot in mouth conclusion.
Several things come to mind.
1) That is shows Obama administration considers the conflict in terrorism to be more a civilian than military. Interpol has major anti terrorist units. Giving them freedom in the US, means they can track cells in the US easier. But is a real slap in the face on the FBI and Homeland Security. Saying he does not feel they can do the job.
2) A question of Soverniety? We are letting foreign law enforcement operate inside the US without legal court approval. Last time that happened? Was when the British redcoats were chasing George Washington around. How many countries let the FBI or CIA run around free in them? Heck Yemen does not even US miltiary troops inside, though it has a real alQeada problem.
3) Since Interpol is not a FEDERAl Government agency. President Obama does not have any administration function of the agency. He will not have any knowledge of Interpol operations or projects conducted in the country. Interpol could go after anyone...American EXPAT or Foreigner....on grap and transit operations...to waiting foreign court.
4) The thoughts that prior administration members could be charged and warranted by foreign courts that use Interpol to bring them to foreign justice does cause worry. Doing this would breach extradiction treaty agreements, I suspect. At least with many countries. But some countries don't have extradiction agreement with the US.
5) Just another issue that shows this Administration is trying to please foreigner parties, rather than protecting Americans.
Several things come to mind.
1) That is shows Obama administration considers the conflict in terrorism to be more a civilian than military. Interpol has major anti terrorist units. Giving them freedom in the US, means they can track cells in the US easier. But is a real slap in the face on the FBI and Homeland Security. Saying he does not feel they can do the job.
2) A question of Soverniety? We are letting foreign law enforcement operate inside the US without legal court approval. Last time that happened? Was when the British redcoats were chasing George Washington around. How many countries let the FBI or CIA run around free in them? Heck Yemen does not even US miltiary troops inside, though it has a real alQeada problem.
3) Since Interpol is not a FEDERAl Government agency. President Obama does not have any administration function of the agency. He will not have any knowledge of Interpol operations or projects conducted in the country. Interpol could go after anyone...American EXPAT or Foreigner....on grap and transit operations...to waiting foreign court.
4) The thoughts that prior administration members could be charged and warranted by foreign courts that use Interpol to bring them to foreign justice does cause worry. Doing this would breach extradiction treaty agreements, I suspect. At least with many countries. But some countries don't have extradiction agreement with the US.
5) Just another issue that shows this Administration is trying to please foreigner parties, rather than protecting Americans.
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HealthyLiving: Obama gives Interpol free hand in U.S.
Washington Examiner Editorial
December 30, 2009
Washington Examiner Editorial
December 30, 2009
Tin foil makes a great hat, and would look good on you.
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I'm not saying your wrong but will say Interpol has a wealth of info and it would be in everyone's best interest IF they share as our own government agencies has failed to do.
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Maybe a prelude to joining the ICC....
Or maybe its a quid pro quo, along with an admission that to receive ya gotta give.
Or maybe its a quid pro quo, along with an admission that to receive ya gotta give.
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And since China dominates the world economy now, guess who will be calling the shots at interpol.
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HealthyLiving: Obama gives Interpol free hand in U.S.
Washington Examiner Editorial
December 30, 2009
No presidential statement or White House press briefing was held on it. In fact, all that can be found about it on the official White House Web site is the Dec. 17 announcement and one-paragraph text of President Obama's Executive Order 12425, with this innocuous headline: "Amending Executive Order 12425 Designating Interpol as a public international organization entitled to enjoy certain privileges, exemptions, and immunities."In fact, this new directive from Obama may be the most destructive blow ever struck against American constitutional civil liberties. No wonder the White House said as little as possible about it.
There are multiple reasons why this Obama decision is so deeply disturbing. First, the Obama order reverses a 1983 Reagan administration decision in order to grant Interpol, the International Criminal Police Organization, two key privileges. First, Obama has granted Interpol the ability to operate within the territorial limits of the United States without being subject to the same constitutional restraints that apply to all domestic law enforcement agencies such as the FBI. Second, Obama has exempted Interpol's domestic facilities -- including its office within the U.S. Department of Justice -- from search and seizure by U.S. authorities and from disclosure of archived documents in response to Freedom of Information Act requests filed by U.S. citizens. Think very carefully about what you just read: Obama has given an international law enforcement organization that is accountable to no other national authority the ability to operate as it pleases within our own borders, and he has freed it from the most basic measure of official transparency and accountability, the FOIA.
The Examiner has asked for but not yet received from the White House press office an explanation of why the president signed this executive order and who among his advisers was involved in the process leading to his doing so. Unless the White House can provide credible reasons to think otherwise, it seems clear that Executive Order 12425's consequences could be far-reaching and disastrous. To cite only the most obvious example, giving Interpol free rein to act within this country could subject U.S. military, diplomatic, and intelligence personnel to the prospect of being taken into custody and hauled before the International Criminal Court as "war criminals."
As National Review Online's Andy McCarthy put it, the White House must answer these questions: Why should we elevate an international police force above American law? Why would we immunize an international police force from the limitations that constrain the FBI and other American law-enforcement agencies? Why is it suddenly necessary to have, within the Justice Department, a repository for stashing government files that will be beyond the scrutiny of Congress, American law enforcement, the media, and the American people?
Washington Examiner Editorial
December 30, 2009
No presidential statement or White House press briefing was held on it. In fact, all that can be found about it on the official White House Web site is the Dec. 17 announcement and one-paragraph text of President Obama's Executive Order 12425, with this innocuous headline: "Amending Executive Order 12425 Designating Interpol as a public international organization entitled to enjoy certain privileges, exemptions, and immunities."In fact, this new directive from Obama may be the most destructive blow ever struck against American constitutional civil liberties. No wonder the White House said as little as possible about it.
There are multiple reasons why this Obama decision is so deeply disturbing. First, the Obama order reverses a 1983 Reagan administration decision in order to grant Interpol, the International Criminal Police Organization, two key privileges. First, Obama has granted Interpol the ability to operate within the territorial limits of the United States without being subject to the same constitutional restraints that apply to all domestic law enforcement agencies such as the FBI. Second, Obama has exempted Interpol's domestic facilities -- including its office within the U.S. Department of Justice -- from search and seizure by U.S. authorities and from disclosure of archived documents in response to Freedom of Information Act requests filed by U.S. citizens. Think very carefully about what you just read: Obama has given an international law enforcement organization that is accountable to no other national authority the ability to operate as it pleases within our own borders, and he has freed it from the most basic measure of official transparency and accountability, the FOIA.
The Examiner has asked for but not yet received from the White House press office an explanation of why the president signed this executive order and who among his advisers was involved in the process leading to his doing so. Unless the White House can provide credible reasons to think otherwise, it seems clear that Executive Order 12425's consequences could be far-reaching and disastrous. To cite only the most obvious example, giving Interpol free rein to act within this country could subject U.S. military, diplomatic, and intelligence personnel to the prospect of being taken into custody and hauled before the International Criminal Court as "war criminals."
As National Review Online's Andy McCarthy put it, the White House must answer these questions: Why should we elevate an international police force above American law? Why would we immunize an international police force from the limitations that constrain the FBI and other American law-enforcement agencies? Why is it suddenly necessary to have, within the Justice Department, a repository for stashing government files that will be beyond the scrutiny of Congress, American law enforcement, the media, and the American people?
Excellent! About time Interpol nabbed some criminals hiding in the US of A!
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vinny1967: Maybe a prelude to joining the ICC....
Or maybe its a quid pro quo, along with an admission that to receive ya gotta give.
Or maybe its a quid pro quo, along with an admission that to receive ya gotta give.
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RobertC2: That concepts (quid pro quo) is alien to them (americans).... forget it!
That's right.
Americans have never before considered other nations to be really equal to them.
I noticed that here in France when newcomers from the States arrived to work in an international school that was founded by an American church.
The American teachers just naturally assumed that they were going to run the whole project and that everybody else would bow down to their inherent superiority.
But they didn't know a thing about dealing with the French and quickly rubbed the French staff, students, and parents the wrong way. The school became totally dysfunctional and heads began to roll.
Eventually the French staff took over the school and straightened out the mess. The Americans were totally humbled and slowly rejoined the human race, much improved from the humbling experience.
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HealthyLiving: Obama gives Interpol free hand in U.S.
Washington Examiner Editorial
December 30, 2009
No presidential statement or White House press briefing was held on it. In fact, all that can be found about it on the official White House Web site is the Dec. 17 announcement and one-paragraph text of President Obama's Executive Order 12425, with this innocuous headline: "Amending Executive Order 12425 Designating Interpol as a public international organization entitled to enjoy certain privileges, exemptions, and immunities."In fact, this new directive from Obama may be the most destructive blow ever struck against American constitutional civil liberties. No wonder the White House said as little as possible about it.
There are multiple reasons why this Obama decision is so deeply disturbing. First, the Obama order reverses a 1983 Reagan administration decision in order to grant Interpol, the International Criminal Police Organization, two key privileges. First, Obama has granted Interpol the ability to operate within the territorial limits of the United States without being subject to the same constitutional restraints that apply to all domestic law enforcement agencies such as the FBI. Second, Obama has exempted Interpol's domestic facilities -- including its office within the U.S. Department of Justice -- from search and seizure by U.S. authorities and from disclosure of archived documents in response to Freedom of Information Act requests filed by U.S. citizens. Think very carefully about what you just read: Obama has given an international law enforcement organization that is accountable to no other national authority the ability to operate as it pleases within our own borders, and he has freed it from the most basic measure of official transparency and accountability, the FOIA.
The Examiner has asked for but not yet received from the White House press office an explanation of why the president signed this executive order and who among his advisers was involved in the process leading to his doing so. Unless the White House can provide credible reasons to think otherwise, it seems clear that Executive Order 12425's consequences could be far-reaching and disastrous. To cite only the most obvious example, giving Interpol free rein to act within this country could subject U.S. military, diplomatic, and intelligence personnel to the prospect of being taken into custody and hauled before the International Criminal Court as "war criminals."
As National Review Online's Andy McCarthy put it, the White House must answer these questions: Why should we elevate an international police force above American law? Why would we immunize an international police force from the limitations that constrain the FBI and other American law-enforcement agencies? Why is it suddenly necessary to have, within the Justice Department, a repository for stashing government files that will be beyond the scrutiny of Congress, American law enforcement, the media, and the American people?
Washington Examiner Editorial
December 30, 2009
No presidential statement or White House press briefing was held on it. In fact, all that can be found about it on the official White House Web site is the Dec. 17 announcement and one-paragraph text of President Obama's Executive Order 12425, with this innocuous headline: "Amending Executive Order 12425 Designating Interpol as a public international organization entitled to enjoy certain privileges, exemptions, and immunities."In fact, this new directive from Obama may be the most destructive blow ever struck against American constitutional civil liberties. No wonder the White House said as little as possible about it.
There are multiple reasons why this Obama decision is so deeply disturbing. First, the Obama order reverses a 1983 Reagan administration decision in order to grant Interpol, the International Criminal Police Organization, two key privileges. First, Obama has granted Interpol the ability to operate within the territorial limits of the United States without being subject to the same constitutional restraints that apply to all domestic law enforcement agencies such as the FBI. Second, Obama has exempted Interpol's domestic facilities -- including its office within the U.S. Department of Justice -- from search and seizure by U.S. authorities and from disclosure of archived documents in response to Freedom of Information Act requests filed by U.S. citizens. Think very carefully about what you just read: Obama has given an international law enforcement organization that is accountable to no other national authority the ability to operate as it pleases within our own borders, and he has freed it from the most basic measure of official transparency and accountability, the FOIA.
The Examiner has asked for but not yet received from the White House press office an explanation of why the president signed this executive order and who among his advisers was involved in the process leading to his doing so. Unless the White House can provide credible reasons to think otherwise, it seems clear that Executive Order 12425's consequences could be far-reaching and disastrous. To cite only the most obvious example, giving Interpol free rein to act within this country could subject U.S. military, diplomatic, and intelligence personnel to the prospect of being taken into custody and hauled before the International Criminal Court as "war criminals."
As National Review Online's Andy McCarthy put it, the White House must answer these questions: Why should we elevate an international police force above American law? Why would we immunize an international police force from the limitations that constrain the FBI and other American law-enforcement agencies? Why is it suddenly necessary to have, within the Justice Department, a repository for stashing government files that will be beyond the scrutiny of Congress, American law enforcement, the media, and the American people?
Why do you keep posting this paranoia on an international dating site? Are there no US political sites?
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Godsgift: Why do you keep posting this paranoia on an international dating site? Are there no US political sites?
The 'paranoia' serves a purpose, as does her posting, which seems to have evoked some anger. Reflection is very often the purpose in this duality.
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Godsgift: Why do you keep posting this paranoia on an international dating site? Are there no US political sites?
I post in the Current Events and Politics threads on CS as they are provided to those of us who are interested in this topic.
However, I would not consider it paranoia to post a thread such as this one. I am simply making an effort to inform those who may not know.
Get Informed.
Stay Informed.
Inform Others!
If you don't like it, you may not have the "need to know".
And so be it.
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There is a lot of stuff going on that no one know about. I have read plans from the early 1940s and 50s from the people wanting control of this world,,, and the plans are right on track.
So many laws and bills are passed here in the US, that people don't notice, or think their all separate issues,,, they can't see how the pieces of the puzzle fit together.
So many laws and bills are passed here in the US, that people don't notice, or think their all separate issues,,, they can't see how the pieces of the puzzle fit together.
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I think it's a huge conspiracy with Obama secretly working for an international terrorist organization .........
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jvaski: Oh C'mon........everyone knows the whole world revolves around the USA .........
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As someone who has had 'a free pass' from Interpol since the early 70's and have 'worked' for several intelligence services, I find the responses from the few US citizens to be simple 'knee jerk' reactions at best and laced with the usual paranoia of 'everyone is out to get us' hysteria.
The fact that Interpol has now, finally been given jurisdiction to operate openly as well as covertly in the US, would seem to me(playing the devil's advocate), be something that most US intelligence organizations would applaud simply because of all their frustrations at being handcuffed to obey their so called US constitutional constraints. Their Constitution, is nothing more than 'constipational' restraints and as always been so from any and all that I've ever met along the way. This has always been their loudest complaint. What all intelligence services, the world over agree with is that you can't fight an enemy with one hand tied behind your back, nor can any service be run by a bunch of appointed egomaniacal bureaucrats.
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The fact that Interpol has now, finally been given jurisdiction to operate openly as well as covertly in the US, would seem to me(playing the devil's advocate), be something that most US intelligence organizations would applaud simply because of all their frustrations at being handcuffed to obey their so called US constitutional constraints. Their Constitution, is nothing more than 'constipational' restraints and as always been so from any and all that I've ever met along the way. This has always been their loudest complaint. What all intelligence services, the world over agree with is that you can't fight an enemy with one hand tied behind your back, nor can any service be run by a bunch of appointed egomaniacal bureaucrats.
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All constraints must be bypassed, ignored or simply not exist at all. Case in point: the American Counter terrorism unit; CTU, the domestic division of the CIA set up after the 1993 bombing of the WTC. It was openly mandated to operate within the US and to follow all Federal laws and to adhere to the Constitutional rights and privileges of all citizens. It effectively was hamstrung from the very beginning to fully fight terrorism, both foreign and domestic. All other services not only laughed at this childishness but also threw up their hands in frustration as it also hamstrung full co-operation with the US. Things had to , as usual, be 'under the table' to get anything done. Since the US Congress bears the responsibility for having these constitutional restraints upon all the intelligence services operating on US soil, they simply had to be by-passed. Hence Interpol, which has no such juvenile domestic restraints to contend with. All the various intelligence, both military and 'quasi' civilian in the US will still share under the table with their allies. Their opponents have never been so hampered and now can and most likely be threatened by Interpol's ability to go after them and the terror/ sleeper cells in the US that have been there for years plus all the constitutionally protected domestic terrorists...that haven't been shut down by the FBI, the local yokel sheriff dept.'s or even CTU. Same now goes for all those that hide behind 'diplomatic immunity' that even the UN intelligence service has been reluctant to tackle simply because of under staffed, overworked and questionable allegiances by its bureaucrats that oversee their operations; same was with the various US oversight committees that are the main causes for 'constitutional hemorrhoids' in the US intelligence services. Interpol may just finally be the ultimate Preparation H needed to get around to actually getting rid of various criminal and terrorist networks. It would actually help protect more Americans than endanger them in any way. It also levels the 'playing field' that the US has always had advantages over others in that their services have always operated as they wanted to in all countries operated as colonial fiefdoms of the American Empire. Everyone knows full well that up to one quarter if not more of all US embassy staff is always , somehow, connected to the CIA, FBI, all the military alphabet soup groups etc. Much the same for staff in most other embassies and consuls. Now as things stand, Interpol, still can't legally arrest any diplomat, but their covert people can now do the same as the US; take anyone out that is a real danger, which so far, has basically been done by a select and privileged few, namely the Chinese Secret Service,( of which are mostly non-Chinese agents and mercenaries for hire); for instance, has anyone ever wondered what happened to and where all the former Stasi agents went, among others?? All split 'tween the US, Germany, Russia and China...yes....all making the world 'safe for terrorism'!
Sovereignty of any country is not and will never be recognized by any terrorist group bent on carrying out their plans or aims and neither should should counter-terrorist operations. It is a form of a war of all against all; not a cocktail happy hour...that comes afterwards for the survivors of the operations. On either side.
Sovereignty of any country is not and will never be recognized by any terrorist group bent on carrying out their plans or aims and neither should should counter-terrorist operations. It is a form of a war of all against all; not a cocktail happy hour...that comes afterwards for the survivors of the operations. On either side.
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ttom500: No, it is just that INTERPOL...just is a INTERNATIONAL Law Enforcement Agency coming into the Unite States. Could that not qualify this to be a international issue?
Since we have your apathy at this time. Which is actually refreshing.
Tell us what Ireland has done for the world recently.
Since we have your apathy at this time. Which is actually refreshing.
Tell us what Ireland has done for the world recently.
Well Ireland has not started two wars that has killed over 140,000 innocent men , women and children. Now you tell me what GOOD the US has done for the WORLD recently?
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Washington Examiner Editorial
December 30, 2009
No presidential statement or White House press briefing was held on it. In fact, all that can be found about it on the official White House Web site is the Dec. 17 announcement and one-paragraph text of President Obama's Executive Order 12425, with this innocuous headline: "Amending Executive Order 12425 Designating Interpol as a public international organization entitled to enjoy certain privileges, exemptions, and immunities."In fact, this new directive from Obama may be the most destructive blow ever struck against American constitutional civil liberties. No wonder the White House said as little as possible about it.
There are multiple reasons why this Obama decision is so deeply disturbing. First, the Obama order reverses a 1983 Reagan administration decision in order to grant Interpol, the International Criminal Police Organization, two key privileges. First, Obama has granted Interpol the ability to operate within the territorial limits of the United States without being subject to the same constitutional restraints that apply to all domestic law enforcement agencies such as the FBI. Second, Obama has exempted Interpol's domestic facilities -- including its office within the U.S. Department of Justice -- from search and seizure by U.S. authorities and from disclosure of archived documents in response to Freedom of Information Act requests filed by U.S. citizens. Think very carefully about what you just read: Obama has given an international law enforcement organization that is accountable to no other national authority the ability to operate as it pleases within our own borders, and he has freed it from the most basic measure of official transparency and accountability, the FOIA.
The Examiner has asked for but not yet received from the White House press office an explanation of why the president signed this executive order and who among his advisers was involved in the process leading to his doing so. Unless the White House can provide credible reasons to think otherwise, it seems clear that Executive Order 12425's consequences could be far-reaching and disastrous. To cite only the most obvious example, giving Interpol free rein to act within this country could subject U.S. military, diplomatic, and intelligence personnel to the prospect of being taken into custody and hauled before the International Criminal Court as "war criminals."
As National Review Online's Andy McCarthy put it, the White House must answer these questions: Why should we elevate an international police force above American law? Why would we immunize an international police force from the limitations that constrain the FBI and other American law-enforcement agencies? Why is it suddenly necessary to have, within the Justice Department, a repository for stashing government files that will be beyond the scrutiny of Congress, American law enforcement, the media, and the American people?