International Law Enforcement Operates in U.S. (464)
ttom500: Am saying if a European gov't has evidence of a crime....present it.
DOJ, DOS and the law enforcement are all set to request court warrants on foreign charges that come from foreign gov't under under the protocols of nation states.
But we don't know where INTERPOL would take a American accused of a crime. Do we? Rendition remember? Think that INTERPOL is above doing such? You give them way to credit and way to much lea way. If INTERPOL needs intell from a person........and has him in custody.
Without a jurisdiction to answer to, just about anything can occur.
DOJ, DOS and the law enforcement are all set to request court warrants on foreign charges that come from foreign gov't under under the protocols of nation states.
But we don't know where INTERPOL would take a American accused of a crime. Do we? Rendition remember? Think that INTERPOL is above doing such? You give them way to credit and way to much lea way. If INTERPOL needs intell from a person........and has him in custody.
Without a jurisdiction to answer to, just about anything can occur.
But what if interpol need to enter the US to investigate the character? They may need to talk to him? Need DNA from him? Obama is now allowing them to do that. What is wrong with that? Of course Interpol would not just kidnap a US citizan. There would be an outcry and they dont have those powers! They have not been given those powers!
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Leem1: But what if interpol need to enter the US to investigate the character? They may need to talk to him? Need DNA from him? Obama is now allowing them to do that. What is wrong with that? Of course Interpol would not just kidnap a US citizan. There would be an outcry and they dont have those powers! They have not been given those powers!
It still amazes me how arrogant you can be. Its ok for USA to seek and destroy anyone anywhere secretly if they think it will suit their purpose. But if an international Law enforcement agency wishes to arrest or seek out a criminal in the Great USA then woah no not for you
Get over it.. People who break any law in any country should be brought to justice in the country they broke the law in. And Im sorry if that countries law says you should be put to death or life in jail or hand chopped off. So be it. A criminal is a criminal no matter what his nationality.
This will of course put the cat amongst the pigeons. But hey there are more people in the world who live outside the borders of the Great USA than inside. Get over yourselves.
And if that offends anyone Im sorry but its reality for the rest of the world. Whether you like it or not
NZ has been penalised by the USA for years just because we said no you cant bring Nuclear powered warships into our ports or territorial waters.. So your gvt issued its big stick and said ok we wont trade with you we wont protect you.. Hey we have done alright so far..
And we were considered a friendly country. If you do that to your friends, heaven help your enemies.
Like I say.. Cat among the pigeons.. Take your best shot.
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gerisoul: It still amazes me how arrogant you can be. Its ok for USA to seek and destroy anyone anywhere secretly if they think it will suit their purpose. But if an international Law enforcement agency wishes to arrest or seek out a criminal in the Great USA then woah no not for you
Get over it.. People who break any law in any country should be brought to justice in the country they broke the law in. And Im sorry if that countries law says you should be put to death or life in jail or hand chopped off. So be it. A criminal is a criminal no matter what his nationality.
This will of course put the cat amongst the pigeons. But hey there are more people in the world who live outside the borders of the Great USA than inside. Get over yourselves.
And if that offends anyone Im sorry but its reality for the rest of the world. Whether you like it or not
NZ has been penalised by the USA for years just because we said no you cant bring Nuclear powered warships into our ports or territorial waters.. So your gvt issued its big stick and said ok we wont trade with you we wont protect you.. Hey we have done alright so far..
And we were considered a friendly country. If you do that to your friends, heaven help your enemies.
Like I say.. Cat among the pigeons.. Take your best shot.
Get over it.. People who break any law in any country should be brought to justice in the country they broke the law in. And Im sorry if that countries law says you should be put to death or life in jail or hand chopped off. So be it. A criminal is a criminal no matter what his nationality.
This will of course put the cat amongst the pigeons. But hey there are more people in the world who live outside the borders of the Great USA than inside. Get over yourselves.
And if that offends anyone Im sorry but its reality for the rest of the world. Whether you like it or not
NZ has been penalised by the USA for years just because we said no you cant bring Nuclear powered warships into our ports or territorial waters.. So your gvt issued its big stick and said ok we wont trade with you we wont protect you.. Hey we have done alright so far..
And we were considered a friendly country. If you do that to your friends, heaven help your enemies.
Like I say.. Cat among the pigeons.. Take your best shot.
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gerisoul: It still amazes me how arrogant you can be. Its ok for USA to seek and destroy anyone anywhere secretly if they think it will suit their purpose. But if an international Law enforcement agency wishes to arrest or seek out a criminal in the Great USA then woah no not for you
Get over it.. People who break any law in any country should be brought to justice in the country they broke the law in. And Im sorry if that countries law says you should be put to death or life in jail or hand chopped off. So be it. A criminal is a criminal no matter what his nationality.
This will of course put the cat amongst the pigeons. But hey there are more people in the world who live outside the borders of the Great USA than inside. Get over yourselves.
And if that offends anyone Im sorry but its reality for the rest of the world. Whether you like it or not
NZ has been penalised by the USA for years just because we said no you cant bring Nuclear powered warships into our ports or territorial waters.. So your gvt issued its big stick and said ok we wont trade with you we wont protect you.. Hey we have done alright so far..
And we were considered a friendly country. If you do that to your friends, heaven help your enemies.
Like I say.. Cat among the pigeons.. Take your best shot.
Get over it.. People who break any law in any country should be brought to justice in the country they broke the law in. And Im sorry if that countries law says you should be put to death or life in jail or hand chopped off. So be it. A criminal is a criminal no matter what his nationality.
This will of course put the cat amongst the pigeons. But hey there are more people in the world who live outside the borders of the Great USA than inside. Get over yourselves.
And if that offends anyone Im sorry but its reality for the rest of the world. Whether you like it or not
NZ has been penalised by the USA for years just because we said no you cant bring Nuclear powered warships into our ports or territorial waters.. So your gvt issued its big stick and said ok we wont trade with you we wont protect you.. Hey we have done alright so far..
And we were considered a friendly country. If you do that to your friends, heaven help your enemies.
Like I say.. Cat among the pigeons.. Take your best shot.
Arrogant I can be????
Have you read my posts? I am not from the US?
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Leem1: Arrogant I can be???? Have you read my posts? I am not from the US?
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Leem1: Arrogant I can be???? Have you read my posts? I am not from the US?
Thank god for that.....The Rednecks are looking for you.....
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redkayak: Thank god for that.....The Rednecks are looking for you.....
What?
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Conrad73: Dude,Dude,Dude!
Braking ot tonight?
Braking ot tonight?
sorry! I should add you too Conrad....
Really interesting thinking a bout how some political movements in America, abusing some americans and Conrad,s lack of interest for international issues and keep blah blahing a bout stuff like Conrad does and even mannaging to get attention and support amoung specially those who have no idea or information or even interest to know any thing what so ever exactly like Conrad, a bout issues they want to oppose like Conrad always loves to oppose... mainly just for being a pain in the bottom as Conrad can become and also because they and Conrad miss "him"
Accept my opologies not mentioning you before
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Hot_Single_Dude: sorry! I should add you too Conrad....Really interesting thinking a bout how some political movements in America, abusing some americans and Conrad,s lack of interest for international issues and keep blah blahing a bout stuff like Conrad does and even mannaging to get attention and support amoung specially those who have no idea or information or even interest to know any thing what so ever exactly like Conrad, a bout issues they want to oppose like Conrad always loves to oppose... mainly just for being a pain in the bottom as Conrad can become and also because they and Conrad miss "him"
Accept my opologies not mentioning you before
You far away from home,Dude!Accept my opologies not mentioning you before
Hope you won't get waylaid on your way back!
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Conrad73: You far away from home,Dude!
Hope you won't get waylaid on your way back!
Hope you won't get waylaid on your way back!
Was it after being waylaid you became this way Conrad? Poor chumbp...
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Conrad73: You far away from home,Dude!
Hope you won't get waylaid on your way back!
Hope you won't get waylaid on your way back!
Was it after being waylaid you became this way Conrad? Poor chumbp...
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Conrad73: You far away from home,Dude!
Hope you won't get waylaid on your way back!
Hope you won't get waylaid on your way back!
Conrad....Come now...The Dude has spoken......Ya ok, as usual he makes little sense....But I'm sure he laid down breadcrumbs to find his way back.......
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redkayak: Conrad....Come now...The Dude has spoken......Ya ok, as usual he makes little sense....But I'm sure he laid down breadcrumbs to find his way back.......
Mice got them,that's why he's still here,can't find his way back,just like Hansel and Gretel! ------ This thread is Archived ------
redkayak: Conrad....Come now...The Dude has spoken......Ya ok, as usual he makes little sense....But I'm sure he laid down breadcrumbs to find his way back.......
Nah actually took a fabulous triple whopper menu earlier today while I was out shopping 
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Dang, I should not have gone to diner. This is better than the side show at the local strip club.
OK....leeming, please follow this just a little. They already have well defined protocols for extradiction between countries. They have been developed over 100s of years of international jurispurdence.
They go all the way to Napleon.....when they first started doing prisoner and civilian exchanges.
When Iran gave host to bin Laden sons following the fall Afghanistan in 2001. We did not send INTERPOL to collect them for us. Rather because we did not have diplomatic relationships with Iran, we had Switzerland request a extradiction that was denied.
The protocols of extradiction are laid out in the diplomatic recognition of a country.
You want to go screwing around so INTERPOL can be policeman of the world. Hey I know alot of Americans that are really tired of going to places like Iraq and Afghanistan to be the policeman of the world.
If you think that INTERPOL can go to a countries like Iran or Sadam's Iraq to get a terrorist that has skipped there. Try it first with Iran. Send INTERPOL in to get bin Laden's four sons and daughter out. Because they are all wanted and the US has evidence on their participation in alQeada. So I say go for it.
If INTERPOL can bring out bin Laden's four sons to even a court date at the Haque much less the US.....you have made a believer here. Till then, you are stirring the pot with a nice romantic vision of how the world should be.
OK....leeming, please follow this just a little. They already have well defined protocols for extradiction between countries. They have been developed over 100s of years of international jurispurdence.
They go all the way to Napleon.....when they first started doing prisoner and civilian exchanges.
When Iran gave host to bin Laden sons following the fall Afghanistan in 2001. We did not send INTERPOL to collect them for us. Rather because we did not have diplomatic relationships with Iran, we had Switzerland request a extradiction that was denied.
The protocols of extradiction are laid out in the diplomatic recognition of a country.
You want to go screwing around so INTERPOL can be policeman of the world. Hey I know alot of Americans that are really tired of going to places like Iraq and Afghanistan to be the policeman of the world.
If you think that INTERPOL can go to a countries like Iran or Sadam's Iraq to get a terrorist that has skipped there. Try it first with Iran. Send INTERPOL in to get bin Laden's four sons and daughter out. Because they are all wanted and the US has evidence on their participation in alQeada. So I say go for it.
If INTERPOL can bring out bin Laden's four sons to even a court date at the Haque much less the US.....you have made a believer here. Till then, you are stirring the pot with a nice romantic vision of how the world should be.
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ttom500: Dang, I should not have gone to diner. This is better than the side show at the local strip club.
OK....leeming, please follow this just a little. They already have well defined protocols for extradiction between countries. They have been developed over 100s of years of international jurispurdence.
They go all the way to Napleon.....when they first started doing prisoner and civilian exchanges.
When Iran gave host to bin Laden sons following the fall Afghanistan in 2001. We did not send INTERPOL to collect them for us. Rather because we did not have diplomatic relationships with Iran, we had Switzerland request a extradiction that was denied.
The protocols of extradiction are laid out in the diplomatic recognition of a country.
You want to go screwing around so INTERPOL can be policeman of the world. Hey I know alot of Americans that are really tired of going to places like Iraq and Afghanistan to be the policeman of the world.
If you think that INTERPOL can go to a countries like Iran or Sadam's Iraq to get a terrorist that has skipped there. Try it first with Iran. Send INTERPOL in to get bin Laden's four sons and daughter out. Because they are all wanted and the US has evidence on their participation in alQeada. So I say go for it.
If INTERPOL can bring out bin Laden's four sons to even a court date at the Haque much less the US.....you have made a believer here. Till then, you are stirring the pot with a nice romantic vision of how the world should be.
OK....leeming, please follow this just a little. They already have well defined protocols for extradiction between countries. They have been developed over 100s of years of international jurispurdence.
They go all the way to Napleon.....when they first started doing prisoner and civilian exchanges.
When Iran gave host to bin Laden sons following the fall Afghanistan in 2001. We did not send INTERPOL to collect them for us. Rather because we did not have diplomatic relationships with Iran, we had Switzerland request a extradiction that was denied.
The protocols of extradiction are laid out in the diplomatic recognition of a country.
You want to go screwing around so INTERPOL can be policeman of the world. Hey I know alot of Americans that are really tired of going to places like Iraq and Afghanistan to be the policeman of the world.
If you think that INTERPOL can go to a countries like Iran or Sadam's Iraq to get a terrorist that has skipped there. Try it first with Iran. Send INTERPOL in to get bin Laden's four sons and daughter out. Because they are all wanted and the US has evidence on their participation in alQeada. So I say go for it.
If INTERPOL can bring out bin Laden's four sons to even a court date at the Haque much less the US.....you have made a believer here. Till then, you are stirring the pot with a nice romantic vision of how the world should be.
You see this is were your argument falls down Ttom. Why have you brought up Iraq? You seem very bitter towards Europe and agencies in Europe like Interpol. You keep on talking about extradiction but you are skipping one very important point.
As I said earlier, what if Interpol needs to investigate someone further before they have enough proof but that person has fled home or to another country. The police in that country would have no right to investigate him as the crime was outside their jurisdiction but no interpol can. They dont have powers of rendition like you are trying to say. They can now simply investigate someone free from fear of search from local authoroties. Is that such a big deal? Your police would still arrest and hold the susect on completion of the investigation and proof would still have to be shown before extradiction. Iran and Iraq have not signed up to interpol but your country has. Maybe you should look at the REAL reasons you have a problem with this?
It certainly isn't because a few US citizans might have a slight disruption to their life. You have as I have seen on so many post before gone off on a tangent and brought up useless points but I have noticed you do this when you don't want to answer question put to you and you have basically been defeated in the said debate.
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Leem1: You see this is were your argument falls down Ttom. Why have you brought up Iraq? You seem very bitter towards Europe and agencies in Europe like Interpol. You keep on talking about extradiction but you are skipping one very important point.
As I said earlier, what if Interpol needs to investigate someone further before they have enough proof but that person has fled home or to another country. The police in that country would have no right to investigate him as the crime was outside their jurisdiction but no interpol can. They dont have powers of rendition like you are trying to say. They can now simply investigate someone free from fear of search from local authoroties. Is that such a big deal? Your police would still arrest and hold the susect on completion of the investigation and proof would still have to be shown before extradiction. Iran and Iraq have not signed up to interpol but your country has. Maybe you should look at the REAL reasons you have a problem with this?
It certainly isn't because a few US citizans might have a slight disruption to their life. You have as I have seen on so many post before gone off on a tangent and brought up useless points but I have noticed you do this when you don't want to answer question put to you and you have basically been defeated in the said debate.
As I said earlier, what if Interpol needs to investigate someone further before they have enough proof but that person has fled home or to another country. The police in that country would have no right to investigate him as the crime was outside their jurisdiction but no interpol can. They dont have powers of rendition like you are trying to say. They can now simply investigate someone free from fear of search from local authoroties. Is that such a big deal? Your police would still arrest and hold the susect on completion of the investigation and proof would still have to be shown before extradiction. Iran and Iraq have not signed up to interpol but your country has. Maybe you should look at the REAL reasons you have a problem with this?
It certainly isn't because a few US citizans might have a slight disruption to their life. You have as I have seen on so many post before gone off on a tangent and brought up useless points but I have noticed you do this when you don't want to answer question put to you and you have basically been defeated in the said debate.
Isn't your INTERPOL going to be fair, Leem? The bin Laden's sons are wanted for conspriracy to 911. The proof? Well other than 3000 dead, it also those training camps and bin Laden Kandahar compound that was taken early in the conflict. We have plenty of evidence for thier particiaption form them. And there were those 240 European that were killed in 911. Is that not enough for INTERPOL to jump in there and get them from Iran?
And it is just a simple extradiction. Heck we will let you take them straight to the Haque. We will even tell you were they are in Teharn. The daughter is the Saudi Embassy and the 4 sons are few miles outside of the city. So there is no rendition here.
I am sure it would be a slight disruption for the bin Ladens to see INTERPOL knocking on their doors with warrants. But I doubt it wiil happen. It is those diplomatic protocols that is OK for Iran and Iraq to abide by (or hide behind).....but not the US of A. But you knew that all along Leem, yes?
Lastly....I don't play for wins and loses here, Leem. When I play....it is for keeps in the real world.
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Leem just for you, I went to the INTERPOL site to see how many of their most wanted.....were Islamic terrorists. Just so we can be
specific here.
Of INTERPOL's most recent 303 listed want persons. 43 were Islamic.
Or 14%
A clue.....after being in Iraq for 6 years.....the US had 120,000 detainees for sectarian violence, for terrorism, and being foreign fighters.
INTERPOL down plays Islamic terrorism, Leem. Not only will they not go to Iran or other Islamic counties to get them. But they don't even list many them in their most wanted list.
Think I am off?
Know how many mostly Moslems are on the US restricted flying list? Prior to the Christmas day bombing it was around 2.5m. Since then they have double it to 5.0m
INTERPOL lists all of 43 Moslems of its 303 most recent additions to the most wanted list. What do you think Leem, INTERPOL is a crime organization just champing at the bit to defeat Islamic terrorism?
To be fair to INTERPOL.....and I do want to be fair to them. Terrorism is just one of the crimes they work. And who knows about the 260 others of this want list....they all might be mass murders and child p*dophile....even worse that terrorist. And INTERPOL should commit to find them as well.
But the fact is Leem, INTERPOL downplays Islamic terrorism because it cannot get extradiction from many Islamic countries. And now you know.
specific here.
Of INTERPOL's most recent 303 listed want persons. 43 were Islamic.
Or 14%
A clue.....after being in Iraq for 6 years.....the US had 120,000 detainees for sectarian violence, for terrorism, and being foreign fighters.
INTERPOL down plays Islamic terrorism, Leem. Not only will they not go to Iran or other Islamic counties to get them. But they don't even list many them in their most wanted list.
Think I am off?
Know how many mostly Moslems are on the US restricted flying list? Prior to the Christmas day bombing it was around 2.5m. Since then they have double it to 5.0m
INTERPOL lists all of 43 Moslems of its 303 most recent additions to the most wanted list. What do you think Leem, INTERPOL is a crime organization just champing at the bit to defeat Islamic terrorism?
To be fair to INTERPOL.....and I do want to be fair to them. Terrorism is just one of the crimes they work. And who knows about the 260 others of this want list....they all might be mass murders and child p*dophile....even worse that terrorist. And INTERPOL should commit to find them as well.
But the fact is Leem, INTERPOL downplays Islamic terrorism because it cannot get extradiction from many Islamic countries. And now you know.
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I really don't see what your problem with interpol is? The more agencies looking for serious criminals the better as far as I'm concerned.
Am saying if a European gov't has evidence of a crime....present it.
DOJ, DOS and the law enforcement are all set to request court warrants on foreign charges that come from foreign gov't under under the protocols of nation states.
But we don't know where INTERPOL would take a American accused of a crime. Do we? Rendition remember? Think that INTERPOL is above doing such? You give them way to credit and way to much lea way. If INTERPOL needs intell from a person........and has him in custody.
Without a jurisdiction to answer to, just about anything can occur.