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But, it can be argued that if it cannot be proved with facts then might it not be true that they do not exist? And this is when Ray and other people that dig up the VISIBLE effects of hidden things come into play (and whose speculations have the general name given by the idiots as "Conspiracy Theories")
Is it not clear, for example and coming back to the case of my country, that the standards of operation, labor-relations, environment-conservation, taxation, and many other things are here way below many other coutries these liberals admire? (I am talking about the case of mining companies, for example) And then: is this not evidence of facts or a reality that act as a CAUSE of these visible phenomena? How could they get all those advantages then? how could the country and its people be the last beneficiary of all that wealth?
Okay, but according to the kind of Positivism or fundamenatlist empirism of those crook-politicians, all these speculations are just non-sense and conspiracy theories as there are not judge-style proofs for their claims....
Okay, and then, how in this atmosphere could anyone dare talking about a quantum world? how to go beyond the mere cage of our senses?
But there is a world of that kind that many pretend to explore,and that is -at the best- a weird dream of the empirists. Sure, they can think of an atom, and inmediately start talking about "its space", or "its structure" as if it was an object of the mere world of our senses.
And, meanwhile, for those that break through the cage, there will be an open world, a world where the evidence of the sensorial reality will be used to grasp this world´s foundation.
And the empirists will laugh and say that these people pretend to know how the world works.
Well, the world whose manifestation we have in humna society is the same as the world conveyed by the quantum speculation.
I hope you follow all my argumentation.
Cordially
A39
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But, it can be argued that if it cannot be proved with facts then might it not be true that they do not exist? And this is when Ray and other people that dig up the VISIBLE effects of hidden things come into play (and whose speculations have the general name given by the idiots as "Conspiracy Theories")
Is it not clear, for example and coming back to the case of my country, that the standards of operation, labor-relations, environment-conservation, taxation, and many other things are here way below many other coutries these liberals admire? (I am talking about the case of mining companies, for example) And then: is this not evidence of facts or a reality that act as a CAUSE of these visible phenomena? How could they get all those advantages then? how could the country and its people be the last beneficiary of all that wealth?
Okay, but according to the kind of Positivism or fundamenatlist empirism of those crook-politicians, all these speculations are just non-sense and conspiracy theories as there are not judge-style proofs for their claims....
Okay, and then, how in this atmosphere could anyone dare talking about a quantum world? how to go beyond the mere cage of our senses?
But there is a world of that kind that many pretend to explore,and that is -at the best- a weird dream of the empirists. Sure, they can think of an atom, and inmediately start talking about "its space", or "its structure" as if it was an object of the mere world of our senses.
And, meanwhile, for those that break through the cage, there will be an open world, a world where the evidence of the sensorial reality will be used to grasp this world´s foundation.
And the empirists will laugh and say that these people pretend to know how the world works.
Well, the world whose manifestation we have in humna society is the same as the world conveyed by the quantum speculation.
I hope you follow all my argumentation.
Cordially
A39
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Antjo39:
And, meanwhile, for those that break through the cage, there will be an open world, a world where the evidence of the sensorial reality will be used to grasp this world´s foundation.
And, meanwhile, for those that break through the cage, there will be an open world, a world where the evidence of the sensorial reality will be used to grasp this world´s foundation.
My respect to Ray...
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That the US would act as a agent for China....to attack Taiwan, or any other country....could only be done by executive order. Reason being, the Congress that votes on war, would never support such.
So the only way possible that such a event could occur.....is with a President Executive order. While many might say that President Obama is so liberal in ideology and socialist in view, that he would do this. It clearly would be to his political detriment, for such would clearly show him to be socialist and even a communist to the American people. Hence a 2012 relection would be very unlikely.
So while Ray and Antjo try to make case here for such a attack. It merits little thought and concern. Taiwan and the US have a long history of trade and mutual defense. A history that the US wishes to continue and to further develop....obviously by the $6.4b in defense weapons that are headed to Taiwan.
No, this weapon agreement got stronger support in the Obama Administration, when China backed down on the Iran nuclear sanctions. (Remember the gas embargo sanction card on Iran? China does not want to use it.). Also when China began to dictate who the President of the United States might see in meeting (Daili Lama). Even GWB had a meeting with the Daili Lama. China did not like it then, and even less when a liberal President meets with him.
So if China wishes to point fingers at the US.....and the Bloggers wish to fear monger a US attack on Taiwan....the logic for both very is thin.
Beside...why would the US sell defensive weapons to Taiwan....that were going to be used against the US to defend against... this blogger imagined attack? This is just very poor blogger misinformation of the world's real political situation.
So the only way possible that such a event could occur.....is with a President Executive order. While many might say that President Obama is so liberal in ideology and socialist in view, that he would do this. It clearly would be to his political detriment, for such would clearly show him to be socialist and even a communist to the American people. Hence a 2012 relection would be very unlikely.
So while Ray and Antjo try to make case here for such a attack. It merits little thought and concern. Taiwan and the US have a long history of trade and mutual defense. A history that the US wishes to continue and to further develop....obviously by the $6.4b in defense weapons that are headed to Taiwan.
No, this weapon agreement got stronger support in the Obama Administration, when China backed down on the Iran nuclear sanctions. (Remember the gas embargo sanction card on Iran? China does not want to use it.). Also when China began to dictate who the President of the United States might see in meeting (Daili Lama). Even GWB had a meeting with the Daili Lama. China did not like it then, and even less when a liberal President meets with him.
So if China wishes to point fingers at the US.....and the Bloggers wish to fear monger a US attack on Taiwan....the logic for both very is thin.
Beside...why would the US sell defensive weapons to Taiwan....that were going to be used against the US to defend against... this blogger imagined attack? This is just very poor blogger misinformation of the world's real political situation.
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ttom500:
Beside...why would the US sell defensive weapons to Taiwan....that were going to be used against the US to defend against... this blogger imagined attack? This is just very poor blogger misinformation of the world's real political situation.
Beside...why would the US sell defensive weapons to Taiwan....that were going to be used against the US to defend against... this blogger imagined attack? This is just very poor blogger misinformation of the world's real political situation.
They would kill their own people on their own soil and you're condescending to a theory that they would do it elsewhere on the planet. 
I think you do not understand posturing, affect and causality, let alone politics. Make the guns, put them where you want, after you've decided who is going to be the 'cause' of the war that YOU need to have, for reasons obfuscated by patriotism.
If I were you I would digest the following article in it's entirety. It gives a whole new perspective to war creation.
After that, if you're still going to wear blinders, at least you'll be certain who's pulling your political reins.
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bohdiprana: Where the hell did you go? What a trip that was. All you can go on about is Caesar? Man, what a pantload that was.
You're one of those planted disinformation specialists aren't you.
Tibet,Parts of Indian Kashmir,Ethnic Cleansing in all of China.You're one of those planted disinformation specialists aren't you.
But other than that they're pretty nice people,those Guys from the Central Committee!Eeeeewwwww
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Conrad73: Tibet,Parts of Indian Kashmir,Ethnic Cleansing in all of China.
But other than that they're pretty nice people,those Guys from the Central Committee!Eeeeewwwww
The Furious Old Men Of Beijing!But other than that they're pretty nice people,those Guys from the Central Committee!Eeeeewwwww
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Conrad73: Tibet,Parts of Indian Kashmir,Ethnic Cleansing in all of China.
But other than that they're pretty nice people,those Guys from the Central Committee!Eeeeewwwww
But other than that they're pretty nice people,those Guys from the Central Committee!Eeeeewwwww
When you want to be the favorite in war, it's advisable to paint the monster in public opinion, ignoring that the real monster is indeed the painter.
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bohdiprana: When you want to be the favorite in war, it's advisable to paint the monster in public opinion, ignoring that the real monster is indeed the painter.
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Conrad73: !
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Oh my,they just got pissed off some more!
Switzerland takes 2 Uighur brothers held at Guantanamo
By Carol Rosenberg | Miami Herald
The Swiss government rebuffed Chinese protests Wednesday and agreed to give sanctuary to two brothers from China's Muslim Uighur minority who had been cleared for release from Guantanamo, but feared persecution if they went home.
The announcement represented a breakthrough for Arkin Mahnut, 45, and his brother Bahtiar, 32, now held at Guantanamo's Camp Iguana, the chain-link-fence enclosed compound reserved for prisoners who've been ordered released.
Bahtiar had been offered sanctuary in Palau but refused to leave Guantanamo without Arkin, who reportedly has developed a mental illness during his eight years in U.S. detention. While a dozen Uighurs recently have been given sanctuary elsewhere, no country was willing to take Arkin.
Switzerland, which had earlier taken in an Uzbek man from Guantanamo, said in a statement it was doing its part to "contribute to the closing of the U.S. Guantanamo Bay detention center, which it had criticized as being contrary to international laws."
"There is no evidence that the three might have had or have any contact with terrorist groups," it added. "The USA neither charged them with any crime nor sentenced them and in 2005 declared they could be accepted by other countries."
The story of the Guantanamo Uighurs is one of the most complex of the detention center's existence. Captured in Afghanistan in 2001, the Uighurs originally numbered 22. China originally demanded that they all be sent back to China, but the Uighurs said they would be persecuted there and the Bush administration agreed.
After concluding that the Uighurs did not pose a terrorist threat to the United States, the Bush administration sent five to Albania in 2006. But the other 17 Uighurs lanquished in Guantanamo as the Bush State Department searched for another country to take them.
According to the Center for Constitutional Rights, civilian lawyers contacted about 100 nations to find the Uighurs new homes but got no takers — "presumably out of fear of angering China," the CCR said.
In October 2008, U.S. District Judge Ricardo Urbina ordered that the 17 Uighurs be released into the United States, if the State Department could not find the homes. The order was stayed by an appeals court, and is now set to be heard by the U.S. Supreme Court.
But in the months after, the State Department scrambled to find homes for the Uighurs. Four were given asylum in Bermuda. Six Uighurs were given asylum by the Pacific island nation of Palau, and five who remain at Guantanamo may still have the option to go there.
No nation, however, was willing to take Arkin Mahnut and his brother would not leave without him until Wednesday.
Swiss Minister of Justice Evelyn Widmer-Schlumpf said the decision to take the brothers "was guided by humanitarian principles and should not be interpreted as giving preference to one country over another." Switzerland said it would issue the men migration permits and they had agreed to honor Swiss values, try to earn a living and learn the local language. Switzerland has four official languages.
Dean Boyd, a spokesman, said the U.S. Justice Department was "grateful to the Swiss Government and the Cantons of Jura and Geneva for assisting our efforts to close the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay. The United States will continue to work closely with Switzerland regarding this matter."
Switzerland takes 2 Uighur brothers held at Guantanamo
By Carol Rosenberg | Miami Herald
The Swiss government rebuffed Chinese protests Wednesday and agreed to give sanctuary to two brothers from China's Muslim Uighur minority who had been cleared for release from Guantanamo, but feared persecution if they went home.
The announcement represented a breakthrough for Arkin Mahnut, 45, and his brother Bahtiar, 32, now held at Guantanamo's Camp Iguana, the chain-link-fence enclosed compound reserved for prisoners who've been ordered released.
Bahtiar had been offered sanctuary in Palau but refused to leave Guantanamo without Arkin, who reportedly has developed a mental illness during his eight years in U.S. detention. While a dozen Uighurs recently have been given sanctuary elsewhere, no country was willing to take Arkin.
Switzerland, which had earlier taken in an Uzbek man from Guantanamo, said in a statement it was doing its part to "contribute to the closing of the U.S. Guantanamo Bay detention center, which it had criticized as being contrary to international laws."
"There is no evidence that the three might have had or have any contact with terrorist groups," it added. "The USA neither charged them with any crime nor sentenced them and in 2005 declared they could be accepted by other countries."
The story of the Guantanamo Uighurs is one of the most complex of the detention center's existence. Captured in Afghanistan in 2001, the Uighurs originally numbered 22. China originally demanded that they all be sent back to China, but the Uighurs said they would be persecuted there and the Bush administration agreed.
After concluding that the Uighurs did not pose a terrorist threat to the United States, the Bush administration sent five to Albania in 2006. But the other 17 Uighurs lanquished in Guantanamo as the Bush State Department searched for another country to take them.
According to the Center for Constitutional Rights, civilian lawyers contacted about 100 nations to find the Uighurs new homes but got no takers — "presumably out of fear of angering China," the CCR said.
In October 2008, U.S. District Judge Ricardo Urbina ordered that the 17 Uighurs be released into the United States, if the State Department could not find the homes. The order was stayed by an appeals court, and is now set to be heard by the U.S. Supreme Court.
But in the months after, the State Department scrambled to find homes for the Uighurs. Four were given asylum in Bermuda. Six Uighurs were given asylum by the Pacific island nation of Palau, and five who remain at Guantanamo may still have the option to go there.
No nation, however, was willing to take Arkin Mahnut and his brother would not leave without him until Wednesday.
Swiss Minister of Justice Evelyn Widmer-Schlumpf said the decision to take the brothers "was guided by humanitarian principles and should not be interpreted as giving preference to one country over another." Switzerland said it would issue the men migration permits and they had agreed to honor Swiss values, try to earn a living and learn the local language. Switzerland has four official languages.
Dean Boyd, a spokesman, said the U.S. Justice Department was "grateful to the Swiss Government and the Cantons of Jura and Geneva for assisting our efforts to close the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay. The United States will continue to work closely with Switzerland regarding this matter."
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Conrad73: Oh my,they just got pissed off some more!
Switzerland takes 2 Uighur brothers held at Guantanamo
The United States will continue to work closely with Switzerland regarding this matter."
Switzerland takes 2 Uighur brothers held at Guantanamo
The United States will continue to work closely with Switzerland regarding this matter."
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New Movie!
"Pissed Off In Beijing!
In a Theater near you,in full 3-D!
"Pissed Off In Beijing!
In a Theater near you,in full 3-D!
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Conrad73: New Movie!
"Pissed Off In Beijing!
In a Theater near you,in full 3-D!
"Pissed Off In Beijing!
In a Theater near you,in full 3-D!
Sounds like a Ballbuster ... or is that Blockbuster.
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bohdiprana: Sounds like a Ballbuster ... or is that Blockbuster.
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Conrad73: we'll see!
Hopefully it's better than 2012 The Movie.
And guess what Kim Jong-Il replaced his coffee manager.... I wonder if it's stress related, just not getting the caffeine he needs.
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StressFree: Who? I must have missed that post? Katy Perry?
No man, Beery Bottle Opener
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Told you all so!
In the 1980s, when Japan was Asia's rising giant, some said its state-led economic system, in which bureaucrats "picked winners" by targeting industries for special support, was better than the more laissez-faire practices of the West. Today, pundits see China's "state capitalism" as the contender for global dominance. The heavier hand of the Chinese government, this thinking goes, acts as a source of strength in hard times while firmly guiding the nation into the industries of the future. China's vibrancy has even led Americans to question the viability of the very tenets of democracy. "It is intellectually and politically unsettling to realize that, if the West cannot quickly straighten out its systems of government, only politically unreformed states like China will be able to make the decisions that a nation needs to survive in today's high-speed, hi-tech, increasingly globalized.........NOT.
In the 1980s, when Japan was Asia's rising giant, some said its state-led economic system, in which bureaucrats "picked winners" by targeting industries for special support, was better than the more laissez-faire practices of the West. Today, pundits see China's "state capitalism" as the contender for global dominance. The heavier hand of the Chinese government, this thinking goes, acts as a source of strength in hard times while firmly guiding the nation into the industries of the future. China's vibrancy has even led Americans to question the viability of the very tenets of democracy. "It is intellectually and politically unsettling to realize that, if the West cannot quickly straighten out its systems of government, only politically unreformed states like China will be able to make the decisions that a nation needs to survive in today's high-speed, hi-tech, increasingly globalized.........NOT.
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Conrad73: Tibet,Parts of Indian Kashmir,Ethnic Cleansing in all of China.
But other than that they're pretty nice people,those Guys from the Central Committee!Eeeeewwwww
Son, the only thing I reproach you is not to use the same intellectual sharpness with other agressors...But other than that they're pretty nice people,those Guys from the Central Committee!Eeeeewwwww
That is your weakness.
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what the HELL, does that mean ? made in the USA ? BS.
Lakewood INC is a company that makes Fans Heaters & such they have a plant in Chicago,...... the parts are made in china,the labor is MEXICAN, but they are assembled in Good Old USA !
and they are NOT the only ones doing that !..................