China furious at USA arms sale to Taiwan (135)
Odysseus101: Maybe so, but I wonder how America would react if China delivered 4.3 billion dollars worth of rockets to Cuba!...
Don't know but it would be interesting to find out.
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Odysseus101: Maybe so, but I wonder how America would react if China delivered 4.3 billion dollars worth of rockets to Cuba!...
If it was defensive weapons, Soltiare...I don't think we would mind that much. On the other hand....if it was a squadron of the new Russian made Stleath fight bombesr.....then I think we got a problem.
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In response to: China has announced a series of moves against the US in retaliation for a proposed weapons sale to Taiwan worth $6.4bn (£4bn).
I just wonder how America would react if China sold high-tech rockets to Cuba. That was the Bay of Pigs. Is this the Bay of Noodles?
What's your opinion?
I just wonder how America would react if China sold high-tech rockets to Cuba. That was the Bay of Pigs. Is this the Bay of Noodles?
What's your opinion?
i don't concern myself with what Washington does anymore, bunch of idiots. my main worry is keeping the shingles on the roof when the wind blows hard and a fresh pot of coffee in the kitchen every day...gotta think of my guests first
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Antjo39: Well, that army-freak side of the US economy (not only in huge budget, but the terrible allocation of resources)has to do with the huge demise of the US economy. Read a bit about the overall financial game over the last 20 years at least.
And yes, they will continue patrolling the oceans controlled by a Chinese general´s joystick.
Sci Fi? we´ll see....
And yes, they will continue patrolling the oceans controlled by a Chinese general´s joystick.
Sci Fi? we´ll see....
How do you get a military percentage expenditure of only 3.2% to 4.0% is freak side of our GNP? Did not deployment of ground forces in Iraq and Afghanistan teach you anything? That we could deploy for prolonged periods of time in hostile countries, fully support a modest size high tech force in them. Take limited casualities and achieve geo political goals?
If that did not make a statement to you, Antjo. It very well did to Iran.
Beside globally military spending is down for the last 15 years...been decreasing annually. As more economies shift to consumer goods. We got consumer good covered for the countries 304m. All excess of that can go to US military spending, if need be. That my friend is a real thorn in many a country and terroist side.Here is a comparison of a few countries mil spending and GNPs:
2008 Russia spent 2.3% of it GNP on military Russia has averaged between a 15 and 20% increase in military spending since 2002
2008 Russia spent $40b in military spending.
China increased it military spending by 14-17% each year since 2002. It presently stands at $57b usd for 2008
The US in 2008 spend 3.2% to 4.0% of its GNP on Military $517b-$600b depending on how you account it.
So yes the US out spends these countries by 100s of billions. But the low percentage of mil spending to GNP means such expenditures can be sustained for a long period of time. The economic problem of the US were not caused by military spending, rather from other factors.
The numbers I have come from Global Security and Slate. Will site if you need. Ride that joy stick....for a time.
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BUSH did exactly the same thing during his administration ....Obama is trying to be more like him for you republicans .......
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Really?
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There are around a 1,000 Chinese missiles in Fujian province pointing at Taiwan. Of course Taiwan wants some kind of deterrent.
The US does not regularly threaten to attack Cuba, as China does to Taiwan.
The US does not regularly threaten to attack Cuba, as China does to Taiwan.
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ttom500:
Beside globally military spending is down for the last 15 years...been decreasing annually. As more economies shift to consumer goods. We got consumer good covered for the countries 304m. All excess of that can go to US military spending, if need be. That my friend is a real thorn in many a country and terroist side.Here is a comparison of a few countries mil spending and GNPs:2008 Russia spent 2.3% of it GNP on military Russia has averaged between a 15 and 20% increase in military spending since 2002
2008 Russia spent $40b in military spending.
China increased it military spending by 14-17% each year since 2002. It presently stands at $57b usd for 2008
The US in 2008 spend 3.2% to 4.0% of its GNP on Military $517b-$600b depending on how you account it.
Beside globally military spending is down for the last 15 years...been decreasing annually. As more economies shift to consumer goods. We got consumer good covered for the countries 304m. All excess of that can go to US military spending, if need be. That my friend is a real thorn in many a country and terroist side.Here is a comparison of a few countries mil spending and GNPs:2008 Russia spent 2.3% of it GNP on military Russia has averaged between a 15 and 20% increase in military spending since 2002
2008 Russia spent $40b in military spending.
China increased it military spending by 14-17% each year since 2002. It presently stands at $57b usd for 2008
The US in 2008 spend 3.2% to 4.0% of its GNP on Military $517b-$600b depending on how you account it.
First of all the figures you give whilst (I will assume) are accurate are biased. As an example you quote the figures for Russia starting in 2002 then up to 2008. Russia suffered a financial collapse in 1998 resulting in devastating cut backs to all arms of the security forces. Whilst economically it bounced back very quickly (due to oil price increases) military spending didn't start to increase until the early 2000's giving a false impression of growth of the Russian military. To quote a famous British politician "There are lies, damn lies and statistics" With this in mind I do have to question whether those statistics were not produced to further a cause, possibly an increase in US military budgets to match the 'growth' of the Russian War machine. Also one has to question whether the other figures given are not biased? I suggest if you are going to use statistics in your arguments you source them from a less biased source, one would hardly call the US department of Homeland security neutral!
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Odysseus101: China has announced a series of moves against the US in retaliation for a proposed weapons sale to Taiwan worth $6.4bn (£4bn).
I just wonder how America would react if China sold high-tech rockets to Cuba. That was the Bay of Pigs. Is this the Bay of Noodles?
What's your opinion?
I just wonder how America would react if China sold high-tech rockets to Cuba. That was the Bay of Pigs. Is this the Bay of Noodles?
What's your opinion?
Not an apt comparison as Taiwan is no threat and has no desire to threaten China. Cuba repeatedly threatens the US in one way or another.
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Odysseus101: Maybe so, but I wonder how America would react if China delivered 4.3 billion dollars worth of rockets to Cuba!...
Has Taiwan threatened China? Does Taiwan wish to do harm to China in any way?
Can the same be said of Cuba?
Taiwan, unlike both Cuba and China, is a country what respects human rights and the rights of states. It is a democracy that rates very highly in respect to human rights and political rights.
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cmc123: There are around a 1,000 Chinese missiles in Fujian province pointing at Taiwan. Of course Taiwan wants some kind of deterrent.
The US does not regularly threaten to attack Cuba, as China does to Taiwan.
The US does not regularly threaten to attack Cuba, as China does to Taiwan.
Taiwan is no threat to China. China constantly threatens to attack us should we decide to exercise our rights in the international community. It is funny how some anti-US types on here would support giant authoritarian China against a freedom-loving island nation of 23 million people.
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Iuchi_Zien: First of all the figures you give whilst (I will assume) are accurate are biased. As an example you quote the figures for Russia starting in 2002 then up to 2008. Russia suffered a financial collapse in 1998 resulting in devastating cut backs to all arms of the security forces. Whilst economically it bounced back very quickly (due to oil price increases) military spending didn't start to increase until the early 2000's giving a false impression of growth of the Russian military. To quote a famous British politician "There are lies, damn lies and statistics" With this in mind I do have to question whether those statistics were not produced to further a cause, possibly an increase in US military budgets to match the 'growth' of the Russian War machine. Also one has to question whether the other figures given are not biased? I suggest if you are going to use statistics in your arguments you source them from a less biased source, one would hardly call the US department of Homeland security neutral!
Those statistics ttom provided are pretty consistent from all other sources---especially the UN. The weapons industry actually helps out the American economy as it creates jobs and revenue in the tech/weapons sector and the arms trade is big business for the US but it does cost the taxpayers. To my understanding, stocks in some weapons-defense/research companies have been stable during the recession. Lockheed Martin is a good example.
In any case, the bottom line is that military spending has gone up in the last ten years. "The 10 biggest military spenders last year were: the United States (607 billion dollars), China (84.9 billion), France (65.7 billion), Britain (65.3 billion), Russia (58.6 billion), Germany (46.8 billion), Japan (46.3 billion), Italy (40.6 billion), Saudi Arabia (38.2 billion) and India (30.0 billion)." - Stockholm International Peace Research Institute
"According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), one of the world's foremost think tanks on arms control and disarmament, world military expenditure increased by 45 percent, in real terms, and has been rising every year during the last 10-year period.
In 2008, it reached 1.46 trillion dollars, representing 2.4 percent of world gross domestic product (GDP). Its level is now higher than during the latest Cold War peak in the 1980s." - Stockholm International Peace Research Institute
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I said I would site the sources if you want them, Iuchi Zien. If you want to send an email and tell them they are bias.....feel free to.
I doubt that it will change their reports.
But problem that you have is this....and it not with the actual $ number of military spending in the US....and its low percentage to GNP. But in the application of the US military in the world of today. You hate the fact the US military can go into a Iraq or Afghanistan or even Iran and change the gov't of that country.
When you see such numbers on US military spending, you also realize that the US can do this for a long time in the future. And have little economic impact inside the country occur and its people.
The numbers came from Global Security and Slate.....you can send your email of complaint to bias to them.
I doubt that it will change their reports.
But problem that you have is this....and it not with the actual $ number of military spending in the US....and its low percentage to GNP. But in the application of the US military in the world of today. You hate the fact the US military can go into a Iraq or Afghanistan or even Iran and change the gov't of that country.
When you see such numbers on US military spending, you also realize that the US can do this for a long time in the future. And have little economic impact inside the country occur and its people.
The numbers came from Global Security and Slate.....you can send your email of complaint to bias to them.
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ttom500: I said I would site the sources if you want them, Iuchi Zien. If you want to send an email and tell them they are bias.....feel free to.
I doubt that it will change their reports.
But problem that you have is this....and it not with the actual $ number of military spending in the US....and its low percentage to GNP. But in the application of the US military in the world of today. You hate the fact the US military can go into a Iraq or Afghanistan or even Iran and change the gov't of that country.
When you see such numbers on US military spending, you also realize that the US can do this for a long time in the future. And have little economic impact inside the country occur and its people.
The numbers came from Global Security and Slate.....you can send your email of complaint to bias to them.
I doubt that it will change their reports.
But problem that you have is this....and it not with the actual $ number of military spending in the US....and its low percentage to GNP. But in the application of the US military in the world of today. You hate the fact the US military can go into a Iraq or Afghanistan or even Iran and change the gov't of that country.
When you see such numbers on US military spending, you also realize that the US can do this for a long time in the future. And have little economic impact inside the country occur and its people.
The numbers came from Global Security and Slate.....you can send your email of complaint to bias to them.
Oh sure!evrybody has to love those facts and welcome them!!
Who´s the next one? According to the numbers, and the circus-like use of economic variables it is possible to afford ten more libertarian adventures.
Go ahead!
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Odysseus101: China has announced a series of moves against the US in retaliation for a proposed weapons sale to Taiwan worth $6.4bn (£4bn).
I just wonder how America would react if China sold high-tech rockets to Cuba. That was the Bay of Pigs. Is this the Bay of Noodles?
What's your opinion?
I just wonder how America would react if China sold high-tech rockets to Cuba. That was the Bay of Pigs. Is this the Bay of Noodles?
What's your opinion?
Is this following selling all that's needed to Afghansistan perhaps?
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ttom500: And a country whose military spending is only 3.2% to 4.0% of its annual GNP is not a hawkish county.
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Interesting that no-one has responded to the one poster who actually LIVES IN TAIWAN.
Surely his comments are worth thinking and talking about, Taiwan is financially a gold mine by the thinking element of China, of course they want control, Taiwan should be allowed to defend herself by any means available.
Strangely, Taiwan appears on my map of China as being a part of Mainland China, who is kidding who one wonders???????????
Map bought in Shanghai
Surely his comments are worth thinking and talking about, Taiwan is financially a gold mine by the thinking element of China, of course they want control, Taiwan should be allowed to defend herself by any means available.
Strangely, Taiwan appears on my map of China as being a part of Mainland China, who is kidding who one wonders???????????
Map bought in Shanghai
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Odysseus101: Maybe so, but I wonder how America would react if China delivered 4.3 billion dollars worth of rockets to Cuba!...
Obama would condemn it. That's all.
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As long as we can build ships my good friend....we can control or at least contend on the oceans with other nations. That is 1/2 the battle.
And yes, they will continue patrolling the oceans controlled by a Chinese general´s joystick.
Sci Fi? we´ll see....