Englishman55: Hi Merri My views.... well I think much of what has been said is applicable to both men aswell as women, and the part about internet dating and actually meeting the person to know whether there is a spark/chemistry, is so true.
I would like to ask the guys what mistakes they have when dating. I have realized that men today's don't use the courtesy anymore. They take for granted many things. MOST of men are just simple practical in a negative way. That's what the society has coming down. Since the Women Liberation, MOST men don't treat women with respect, with LOVE, with attentions, with loyalty, and the list goes on and on... I am saying MOST,, I am not generalizating,,,
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Birma: I would like to ask the guys what mistakes they have when dating. I have realized that men today's don't use the courtesy anymore. They take for granted many things. MOST of men are just simple practical in a negative way. That's what the society has coming down. Since the Women Liberation, MOST men don't treat women with respect, with LOVE, with attentions, with loyalty, and the list goes on and on... I am saying MOST,, I am not generalizating,,,
As you are saying "most" men, it would suggest to me that much of what you have seen in men, is down to your own choice in me..
Which is exactly what much of the post was about...... how we make our choices in a partner, and how we may be overlooking some traits, in preference to others.
Maybe the post has made you think about your own choices, rather than just picking up on the bad traits of some men !!
Englishman55OPSalisbury, Wiltshire, England UK6,405 posts
Englishman55: As you are saying "most" men, it would suggest to me that much of what you have seen in men, is down to your own choice in me..
Which is exactly what much of the post was about...... how we make our choices in a partner, and how we may be overlooking some traits, in preference to others.
Maybe the post has made you think about your own choices, rather than just picking up on the bad traits of some men !!
Hello English man55, well, Again I say "most" because there still very good men in this world. I have always had good luck and found good people, good friends from different places, here or there. I would say also women has been doing also negative things. I think both partners have to work again in a very positive way..
Englishman55OPSalisbury, Wiltshire, England UK6,405 posts
Birma: Hello English man55, well, Again I say "most" because there still very good men in this world. I have always had good luck and found good people, good friends from different places, here or there. I would say also women has been doing also negative things. I think both partners have to work again in a very positive way..
Totally agree with you comments.... it's so easy to be negative in this world...... far more difficult to see the positives in life, and the benefits are far more rewarding, if only we could all do it more often !
That's right English man55, both woman and man. Unfortunately, we live in a society that MONEY is so important to survive; that some people just take advantage and see themselves first and then feelings come at last.
Englishman55: Totally agree with you comments.... it's so easy to be negative in this world...... far more difficult to see the positives in life, and the benefits are far more rewarding, if only we could all do it more often !
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Birma: That's right English man55, both woman and man. Unfortunately, we live in a society that MONEY is so important to survive; that some people just take advantage and see themselves first and then feelings come at last.
Surely that is a trait that can recognised quite quickly in a person, without having to date them.
Certainly one that I look for and move on pretty swiftly, thereafter.
I don't feel "entitled" but I'm also not about to make accomodations just to have someone in my life! i realise that i may be on my own for the rest of my life but that would be better than having someone just for the sake of having them!
When I look back at the men who have been in my life the things they have in common are... Intelligence Kindness Strength A sense of mischief A good work ethic But mostly we shared a connection, impossible to put into words
Those are the same things I'm looking for now and I'd rather be on my own than compromise
rizlared: No not ignorant, it is just that as an Eastern European woman you see and value relationships differently to those in the west. I think these points hold a lot of truth, thanks for posting EM
I'm surprised to see such a stereotype coming from you!
Englishman55: Surely that is a trait that can recognised quite quickly in a person, without having to date them.
Certainly one that I look for and move on pretty swiftly, thereafter.
Really English man55??? How do you that,, Can you recognize my personality?? How am I?? That sounds really interesting,, please tell me,, maybe I am very selfish, and I need somebody tells me from outside...
Englishman55OPSalisbury, Wiltshire, England UK6,405 posts
Birma: Really English man55??? How do you that,, Can you recognize my personality?? How am I?? That sounds really interesting,, please tell me,, maybe I am very selfish, and I need somebody tells me from outside...
How do I do that ?.... Well I speak with people..... I take an interest in them and not myself, I engage in a conversation that allows me to find out what kind of person they are.
I ask questions that allow people to speak freely about themselves, what their interests are etc.... so it does not take long to build up a picture of someone, just by chatting in general.
Someone who is money orientated, usually brings that subject up all by themselves, within a normal conversation, so not too difficult to discover.
rizlared: No not ignorant, it is just that as an Eastern European woman you see and value relationships differently to those in the west. I think these points hold a lot of truth, thanks for posting EM
Never been in a relationship with woman from west so cant say But get your point and you might be right cant really say
Englishman55OPSalisbury, Wiltshire, England UK6,405 posts
rizlared: No not ignorant, it is just that as an Eastern European woman you see and value relationships differently to those in the west. I think these points hold a lot of truth, thanks for posting EM
Hi K, Thanks for that and the point you make about Eastern and Western European women. I think it can also be seen across national borders also and dependant on religious beliefs ?
Englishman55: Just read this from the Yahoo front page, top news Items and thought it worth posting. Food for thought !
Found it to interesting to read, being from a female perspective, but some of which is also applicable to men. The following paragraphs are taken from the book.... Marry Him - The Case For Settling for Mr Goodenough written by Lorri Gottleib, for women.
Here’s what many single women do that we might want to reconsider:
1. We feel entitled. Gottlieb: “Women try to be good friends to each other. We say, ‘You deserve this, you’re so great! You’re such a good catch! Any man would be lucky!’ [Men don’t say that to each other.] We are good catches, but we also are human and we’re not perfect and somebody’s going to have to put up with us for the rest of his life. And we forget. My dating coach said, write down all the reasons a guy would not want to date you. At first I didn’t think I had that many things, because you think you’re a pretty good catch. He said, what you think of as quirky, endearing, and cute, is really annoying to someone else. But he would love you so much that he would overlook that. And you need to overlook things in him. Everybody has to compromise.”
See our tips: 12 Good Things That Come Out of a Bad Date!
2. We think we have unlimited options. Gottlieb: “You walk into a store and you know you want a sweater and it has to go with this outfit and it has to be this color, and you’d like to be on sale. You find something great, but you wonder if there’s something better out there, so you keep searching. In the end, after three more weeks of searching for the perfect sweater—was it so much better than the one you could have bought originally? Whether it’s with men or sweaters…if you just think you have unlimited options for the rest of your life, of course you’ll keep looking, who wouldn’t?”
3. We’re judgmental. Gottlieb: “The guys I interviewed for the book said women judge them so much. Women gave me 300 reasons they wouldn’t go on a second date with a guy, and men gave 3. When guys are ready for that stage of life, they find someone who is good enough that they’re totally in love with—but that person may not seem to the outside world to be as appealing in superficial ways—maybe she’s not as accomplished or funny as the last girl. Whatever he sees in her, he does. Guys don’t sit and micro-analyze a woman the way a woman would with a man. He knows she’s not as hot as the last girl he dated, but that’s okay. She’s hot enough.”
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I think it's on target in lots of ways englishman, except that men DEFINITELY micro-analyze....definitely....at least on here they do
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