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Raynew1959: Can't blame something that does not exist
Sorry, to a thinking person, there is more than ample prove God exists. And if He is such a fairytale, read His word. After all isn't it a fairytale? Try just reading it as you would a fairytale. I suggest the NIV or the NASB (NAS).
Somehow I doubt seriously you will.
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lostx2: Well I'm sorry for actualy caring about this and expressing how I feel. I like to cut up and crack a joke on the forums like others, but there are some subjects that hit close to the heart. Theres a time for a good zinger and then theres a time to actualy care and be sensitive. I am not trying to "score points" as you say.
Sorry my post referred to the O/P, not to your post, my mistake.
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Speaking of Shortcomings...
The O.T. G(g)od is ,By His Own Admission...Angry..Vengeful...Jealous...and totally dissatisfied with his own creation.
Not the sort of resume you'd expect from a modern Diety if you were fabricating a new religion...
The O.T. G(g)od is ,By His Own Admission...Angry..Vengeful...Jealous...and totally dissatisfied with his own creation.
Not the sort of resume you'd expect from a modern Diety if you were fabricating a new religion...
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I3estman4u: Sorry, to a thinking person, there is more than ample prove God exists. And if He is such a fairytale, read His word. After all isn't it a fairytale? Try just reading it as you would a fairytale. I suggest the NIV or the NASB (NAS).
Somehow I doubt seriously you will.
Somehow I doubt seriously you will.
The only thing stating there is a god is a book written by MAN and a bunch of old men living high off the hog in Rome
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wonderworker: Speaking of Shortcomings...
The O.T. G(g)od is ,By His Own Admission...Angry..Vengeful...Jealous...and totally dissatisfied with his own creation.
Not the sort of resume you'd expect from a modern Diety if you were fabricating a new religion...
The O.T. G(g)od is ,By His Own Admission...Angry..Vengeful...Jealous...and totally dissatisfied with his own creation.
Not the sort of resume you'd expect from a modern Diety if you were fabricating a new religion...
Show where God says He is dissatisfied with His own creation, please? I'd like to see it.
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Raynew1959: The only thing stating there is a god is a book written by MAN and a bunch of old men living high off the hog in Rome
There ya go again giving man credit for such a profound, insightful, deep work of writings.
No man would ever write a book that condemns himself to the point the bible does.
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I3estman4u: There ya go again giving man credit for such a profound, insightful, deep work of writings.
No man would ever write a book that condemns himself to the point the bible does.
No man would ever write a book that condemns himself to the point the bible does.
How do I know, because you do not read it because it will convict you to your soul.
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I3estman4u: Actually I am quite happy about where I am and who I am, thank you.
Just because you have numbed your conscience towards your short-comings means nothing about not having guilt. Charles Manson would even echo your very words. But I guess you are the only human in history that is perfect without any flaws...btw, before you respond, short-comings are character flaws.
You are simple in your thinking. All men worship something. We were created for that purpose.
But this just shows how blind you are. You accuse me of having this 100lb rock on my shoulders wanting to unload in on someone, but look at my threads and posts. Tell me, which ones have I started these types of conversations? You tell me when I first made the attempt to give a "dig" into those that do not agree with me without cause? You are proving yourself to be a fool. Is this how you raised your kids to be...to speak without thinking? I confront arrogance with directness and I don't care how the arrogant feels about it. If you don't like it, stop being arrogant.
I have nothing against you as a person. But I do with how you think.
Oh please, I never said I was perfect, far from perfect I know what I am and I'm content with it. I disagree with you that "All men worship something", worship is a very strong word, unrealistic really. I think to "worship" anyone or any "thing" is a form of insanity.Just because you have numbed your conscience towards your short-comings means nothing about not having guilt. Charles Manson would even echo your very words. But I guess you are the only human in history that is perfect without any flaws...btw, before you respond, short-comings are character flaws.
You are simple in your thinking. All men worship something. We were created for that purpose.
But this just shows how blind you are. You accuse me of having this 100lb rock on my shoulders wanting to unload in on someone, but look at my threads and posts. Tell me, which ones have I started these types of conversations? You tell me when I first made the attempt to give a "dig" into those that do not agree with me without cause? You are proving yourself to be a fool. Is this how you raised your kids to be...to speak without thinking? I confront arrogance with directness and I don't care how the arrogant feels about it. If you don't like it, stop being arrogant.
I have nothing against you as a person. But I do with how you think.
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wonderworker: Speaking of Shortcomings...
The O.T. G(g)od is ,By His Own Admission...Angry..Vengeful...Jealous...and totally dissatisfied with his own creation.
Not the sort of resume you'd expect from a modern Diety if you were fabricating a new religion...
The O.T. G(g)od is ,By His Own Admission...Angry..Vengeful...Jealous...and totally dissatisfied with his own creation.
Not the sort of resume you'd expect from a modern Diety if you were fabricating a new religion...
wonderworker, what the world today has a problem with (of many other things pertaining to God) is that He hasn't moved from His position from that of the Old Testament. His character has not changed. Even by His own admission He says He doesn't change like man. He also says that He does not judge as man judges. Man look at the outward appearance, God looks at the intent of the heart (motives). So there is nothing "Modern" about God. He simply IS.
And yes He is jealous for those that belong to Him. What parent isn't for their children?
Yes He does take vengeance towards those that come against Him and His children, I'm glad He does. Yes He also can become angry, do you? Anger is just an emotion...and yes God has emotion. He is a person. A perfect one, but a person non the less.
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I3estman4u: Sorry, to a thinking person, there is more than ample prove God exists. And if He is such a fairytale, read His word. After all isn't it a fairytale? Try just reading it as you would a fairytale. I suggest the NIV or the NASB (NAS).
Somehow I doubt seriously you will.
Somehow I doubt seriously you will.
Actually, I have read quite a bit of it and found it to be boring and unbelievable.
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Raynew1959: Actually, I have read quite a bit of it and found it to be boring and unbelievable.
define "quite a bit". If you, in fact, read "quite a bit", which "bit" did you read?
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ooby_dooby: Records allege Utah man beat stepson to death.
Still believe there's a loving god up in the sky who protects the most vulnerable and innocent?
This guy is why I support the death penalty! And mom should go with him to the chair!!!!!!!!!!!!Still believe there's a loving god up in the sky who protects the most vulnerable and innocent?
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bamabulldog08: This guy is why I support the death penalty! And mom should go with him to the chair!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree 100%!
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I3estman4u: You speak without confirmation. But that's a norm from those that are ignorant...that means "without knowledge" btw.
Confirmation?
You mean Scripture?
That confirms nothing.
You have resorted to skirting the issue by defaming others as "ignorant"
My credentials are better than yours...but of course credentials count for nothing if the truth is simply manifest.
Your angry god is simply Base.Or non-existant as was suggested.
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I feel compassion for all involved in this incident. If the parents really had any awareness of the Love that they are, they would never have been able to cause harm to another being. I also think it is a blessing that this little boy died. He could have been tortured and abused for years, that to me, would have been much worse. Then also, he may have become an abuser later.
As far as this thread goes, it is obvious that Ooby Dooby has less than stellar awareness as well. To use this story as a jumping off place to bash people who believe in God is sick and deserving of compassion even though the intention is clearly to incite anger in others.
The reason people do "bad" things, is because they are just unconscious enough to not realize what they are creating. For themselves and for those that they appear to hurt, they do not realize that they are contributing to the continued intolerance and lack of love that is the opposite of who we really are.
It takes a victim and a victimizer to play this game. If one or the other consciously decides not to play the game any longer, then the game disappears. Meaning, if the victim refuses to be a victim anymore and takes action to regain their empowerment, or if the victimizer comes to the realization that they are not going to perpetuate violence, the game can not continue. We create our experiences. We choose. That is called free will.
As far as this thread goes, it is obvious that Ooby Dooby has less than stellar awareness as well. To use this story as a jumping off place to bash people who believe in God is sick and deserving of compassion even though the intention is clearly to incite anger in others.
The reason people do "bad" things, is because they are just unconscious enough to not realize what they are creating. For themselves and for those that they appear to hurt, they do not realize that they are contributing to the continued intolerance and lack of love that is the opposite of who we really are.
It takes a victim and a victimizer to play this game. If one or the other consciously decides not to play the game any longer, then the game disappears. Meaning, if the victim refuses to be a victim anymore and takes action to regain their empowerment, or if the victimizer comes to the realization that they are not going to perpetuate violence, the game can not continue. We create our experiences. We choose. That is called free will.
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wonderworker: Confirmation?
You mean Scripture?
That confirms nothing.
You have resorted to skirting the issue by defaming others as "ignorant"
My credentials are better than yours...but of course credentials count for nothing if the truth is simply manifest.
Your angry god is simply Base.Or non-existant as was suggested.
You mean Scripture?
That confirms nothing.
You have resorted to skirting the issue by defaming others as "ignorant"
My credentials are better than yours...but of course credentials count for nothing if the truth is simply manifest.
Your angry god is simply Base.Or non-existant as was suggested.
Okay, you have me lost here. If not for scripture, where are you referring from? Is there a different source that God reveals Himself?
Okay
I'll just take it that you were just speaking from thoughts you formed in your head. What else do I have to go on? 
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Venusruled: I feel compassion for all involved in this incident. If the parents really had any awareness of the Love that they are, they would never have been able to cause harm to another being. I also think it is a blessing that this little boy died. He could have been tortured and abused for years, that to me, would have been much worse. Then also, he may have become an abuser later.
As far as this thread goes, it is obvious that Ooby Dooby has less than stellar awareness as well. To use this story as a jumping off place to bash people who believe in God is sick and deserving of compassion even though the intention is clearly to incite anger in others.
The reason people do "bad" things, is because they are just unconscious enough to not realize what they are creating. For themselves and for those that they appear to hurt, they do not realize that they are contributing to the continued intolerance and lack of love that is the opposite of who we really are.
It takes a victim and a victimizer to play this game. If one or the other consciously decides not to play the game any longer, then the game disappears. Meaning, if the victim refuses to be a victim anymore and takes action to regain their empowerment, or if the victimizer comes to the realization that they are not going to perpetuate violence, the game can not continue. We create our experiences. We choose. That is called free will.
As far as this thread goes, it is obvious that Ooby Dooby has less than stellar awareness as well. To use this story as a jumping off place to bash people who believe in God is sick and deserving of compassion even though the intention is clearly to incite anger in others.
The reason people do "bad" things, is because they are just unconscious enough to not realize what they are creating. For themselves and for those that they appear to hurt, they do not realize that they are contributing to the continued intolerance and lack of love that is the opposite of who we really are.
It takes a victim and a victimizer to play this game. If one or the other consciously decides not to play the game any longer, then the game disappears. Meaning, if the victim refuses to be a victim anymore and takes action to regain their empowerment, or if the victimizer comes to the realization that they are not going to perpetuate violence, the game can not continue. We create our experiences. We choose. That is called free will.
FreeWill and Predictability are not mutually exclusive.
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Venusruled: I feel compassion for all involved in this incident. If the parents really had any awareness of the Love that they are, they would never have been able to cause harm to another being. I also think it is a blessing that this little boy died. He could have been tortured and abused for years, that to me, would have been much worse. Then also, he may have become an abuser later.
As far as this thread goes, it is obvious that Ooby Dooby has less than stellar awareness as well. To use this story as a jumping off place to bash people who believe in God is sick and deserving of compassion even though the intention is clearly to incite anger in others.
The reason people do "bad" things, is because they are just unconscious enough to not realize what they are creating. For themselves and for those that they appear to hurt, they do not realize that they are contributing to the continued intolerance and lack of love that is the opposite of who we really are.
It takes a victim and a victimizer to play this game. If one or the other consciously decides not to play the game any longer, then the game disappears. Meaning, if the victim refuses to be a victim anymore and takes action to regain their empowerment, or if the victimizer comes to the realization that they are not going to perpetuate violence, the game can not continue. We create our experiences. We choose. That is called free will.
As far as this thread goes, it is obvious that Ooby Dooby has less than stellar awareness as well. To use this story as a jumping off place to bash people who believe in God is sick and deserving of compassion even though the intention is clearly to incite anger in others.
The reason people do "bad" things, is because they are just unconscious enough to not realize what they are creating. For themselves and for those that they appear to hurt, they do not realize that they are contributing to the continued intolerance and lack of love that is the opposite of who we really are.
It takes a victim and a victimizer to play this game. If one or the other consciously decides not to play the game any longer, then the game disappears. Meaning, if the victim refuses to be a victim anymore and takes action to regain their empowerment, or if the victimizer comes to the realization that they are not going to perpetuate violence, the game can not continue. We create our experiences. We choose. That is called free will.
Well said Venus. From the outset, some may view somethings you said to be harsh and cold...I'm referring to the comment about it better for the child to die than be tortured. But as I read, I have to say you have insight. I shake my head trying to imagine how they could do that while even looking at the child. I know I could never live with my conscience if I ever did that.
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I3estman4u: Okay, you have me lost here. If not for scripture, where are you referring from? Is there a different source that God reveals Himself?
Okay I'll just take it that you were just speaking from thoughts you formed in your head. What else do I have to go on?
Okay I'll just take it that you were just speaking from thoughts you formed in your head. What else do I have to go on?
Many of us are not superstitious about authoritarian scripture but,rather,form " thoughts in our heads"(sic) based on a variety of information.As for thoughts formed outside the head,I cannot speculate.Would that be Doctrine, or the inherited superstition of the ages?
God(s) are sometimes said to reveal Themselves in everyday,personal experience.Sans doctrine.
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Can't blame something that does not exist