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venusruled:
"As far as this thread goes, it is obvious that Ooby Dooby has less than stellar awareness as well. To use this story as a jumping off place to bash people who believe in God is sick and deserving of compassion even though the intention is clearly to incite anger in others."
I don't see where I bashed anybody. I was just using this story to question the existance of a god that if he existed based on all the platitudes assigned to him he would allow this 4 YO boy to be abused and beaten to death. Since when is asking a question bashing? If people are so strong in their belief system, nothing anybody could ask could sway them from their beliefs. Those that argue and defend their belief system are not all that convinced about what they believe.
"As far as this thread goes, it is obvious that Ooby Dooby has less than stellar awareness as well. To use this story as a jumping off place to bash people who believe in God is sick and deserving of compassion even though the intention is clearly to incite anger in others."
I don't see where I bashed anybody. I was just using this story to question the existance of a god that if he existed based on all the platitudes assigned to him he would allow this 4 YO boy to be abused and beaten to death. Since when is asking a question bashing? If people are so strong in their belief system, nothing anybody could ask could sway them from their beliefs. Those that argue and defend their belief system are not all that convinced about what they believe.
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ooby_dooby: venusruled:
"As far as this thread goes, it is obvious that Ooby Dooby has less than stellar awareness as well. To use this story as a jumping off place to bash people who believe in God is sick and deserving of compassion even though the intention is clearly to incite anger in others."
I don't see where I bashed anybody. I was just using this story to question the existance of a god that if he existed based on all the platitudes assigned to him he would allow this 4 YO boy to be abused and beaten to death. Since when is asking a question bashing? If people are so strong in their belief system, nothing anybody could ask could sway them from their beliefs. Those that argue and defend their belief system are not all that convinced about what they believe.
"As far as this thread goes, it is obvious that Ooby Dooby has less than stellar awareness as well. To use this story as a jumping off place to bash people who believe in God is sick and deserving of compassion even though the intention is clearly to incite anger in others."
I don't see where I bashed anybody. I was just using this story to question the existance of a god that if he existed based on all the platitudes assigned to him he would allow this 4 YO boy to be abused and beaten to death. Since when is asking a question bashing? If people are so strong in their belief system, nothing anybody could ask could sway them from their beliefs. Those that argue and defend their belief system are not all that convinced about what they believe.
So why do you defend yours then?
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Venusruled: So why do you defend yours then?
I'm not defending anything because I have no belief system to defend. If I claimed that the Easter Bunny was real I would be forced to defend my position when my belief was questioned. But since I'm not claiming the existance of anything I have nothing to defend.------ This thread is Archived ------
ooby_dooby: venusruled:
"As far as this thread goes, it is obvious that Ooby Dooby has less than stellar awareness as well. To use this story as a jumping off place to bash people who believe in God is sick and deserving of compassion even though the intention is clearly to incite anger in others."
I don't see where I bashed anybody. I was just using this story to question the existance of a god that if he existed based on all the platitudes assigned to him he would allow this 4 YO boy to be abused and beaten to death. Since when is asking a question bashing? If people are so strong in their belief system, nothing anybody could ask could sway them from their beliefs. Those that argue and defend their belief system are not all that convinced about what they believe.
"As far as this thread goes, it is obvious that Ooby Dooby has less than stellar awareness as well. To use this story as a jumping off place to bash people who believe in God is sick and deserving of compassion even though the intention is clearly to incite anger in others."
I don't see where I bashed anybody. I was just using this story to question the existance of a god that if he existed based on all the platitudes assigned to him he would allow this 4 YO boy to be abused and beaten to death. Since when is asking a question bashing? If people are so strong in their belief system, nothing anybody could ask could sway them from their beliefs. Those that argue and defend their belief system are not all that convinced about what they believe.
In all due respect, ooby_dooby, I am convinced to the core of my being. I don't think I've presented myself as being flaky or flippant about the things I say. I mean what I say and I say (well, try to) what I mean. I would die for what I believe.
What does a man gain if he gains everything in this world, and then loses his soul when he dies? Nothing.
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ooby_dooby: I'm not defending anything because I have no belief system to defend. If I claimed that the Easter Bunny was real I would be forced to defend my position when my belief was questioned. But since I'm not claiming the existance of anything I have nothing to defend.
Ahem...would you disagree then that you have a "belief" that there is no God?
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ooby_dooby: I'm not defending anything because I have no belief system to defend. If I claimed that the Easter Bunny was real I would be forced to defend my position when my belief was questioned. But since I'm not claiming the existance of anything I have nothing to defend.
You believe that your intellect and current understanding is The Truth. That is a belief system. You and others like you on this site have defended your science to the nth degree! What do you mean you have no beliefs?
This thread was blatantly inflammatory and you know it. You must think people are really stupid...which is a belief, by the way.
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Venusruled: Yes, and if this happened to a child I knew, I'm not sure I would be able to be detached at all. I am expressing an ideal, of course. It seems us humans are a far way off from being truly compassionate and loving beings. But we all have our moments and that is where the gold is.
It seems that when people act out of passion and raw emotion, there is less malevolent intent than when someone plots and plans ways to make their fellow humans angry or miserable.
I wonder if the heinous baby killers and serial murderers are the reason this world is in the shape it's in, or if it is the insidious greedy ones, the pot stirrers, the elitist ones, the power mongers that have caused more damage.
It seems that when people act out of passion and raw emotion, there is less malevolent intent than when someone plots and plans ways to make their fellow humans angry or miserable.
I wonder if the heinous baby killers and serial murderers are the reason this world is in the shape it's in, or if it is the insidious greedy ones, the pot stirrers, the elitist ones, the power mongers that have caused more damage.
Yes I agree again Venus. In 2001 I came home to find my 16 year old daughter (from a previous relationship) hanging in our back yard. It was then I turned from God and everyone. Some on here think I'm cold now, they should have seen me then. But God didn't leave me alone even though I wanted nothing to do with Him. I have dealt with it about 98%. Somethings one will never know the full reason why things happen. And in all honesty, if anyone like me came up to me during those years of going my own way, I would have ripped their head off.
I want to say something about "hyprocrite". The word means to "act", "pretend". It doesn't mean that if someone isn't perfect, they can't talk about that which is perfect (God). But hypocrisy is when someone talks about the perfect as if they themselves are also when they are not. As opposed to talking about the perfect as if you are not yourself. just wanted to mention that.
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I3estman4u: Yes I agree again Venus. In 2001 I came home to find my 16 year old daughter (from a previous relationship) hanging in our back yard. It was then I turned from God and everyone. Some on here think I'm cold now, they should have seen me then. But God didn't leave me alone even though I wanted nothing to do with Him. I have dealt with it about 98%. Somethings one will never know the full reason why things happen. And in all honesty, if anyone like me came up to me during those years of going my own way, I would have ripped their head off.
I want to say something about "hyprocrite". The word means to "act", "pretend". It doesn't mean that if someone isn't perfect, they can't talk about that which is perfect (God). But hypocrisy is when someone talks about the perfect as if they themselves are also when they are not. As opposed to talking about the perfect as if you are not yourself. just wanted to mention that.
I want to say something about "hyprocrite". The word means to "act", "pretend". It doesn't mean that if someone isn't perfect, they can't talk about that which is perfect (God). But hypocrisy is when someone talks about the perfect as if they themselves are also when they are not. As opposed to talking about the perfect as if you are not yourself. just wanted to mention that.
I am so sorry for your loss. It is a parent's worst nightmare, the thought of losing a child. Yet, I do believe that there is a higher purpose for such things happening. There are transformations that occur in the hearts of many of the living after such a tragedy. It is not for me to know why things happen the way they do. It is only for me to attempt to understand what purpose it may serve in my growth and evolution, spiritually.
Again, I have not actually experienced this kind of loss, and it scares the crap out of me to even contemplate it, but I would hope that if I went through something like this, eventually, I would be able to see the bigger picture and go on to have a life of joy and appreciation.
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Hypocrisy n. dissimulation,pretense,sanctimony,pharisaism.The feigning of admirable qualities not actually possessed.(Webster)
The abscense of belief is not equivalent to a belief in disbelief.It is non-belief.
Ooby has nothing to defend by non-belief.Disbelief would be another matter.
The abscense of belief is not equivalent to a belief in disbelief.It is non-belief.
Ooby has nothing to defend by non-belief.Disbelief would be another matter.
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I3estman4u Words cannot express how I feel about what happened to your daughter. As I type this my face is getting warm and my eyes are filling with tears and I'm telling you the truth. I always wanted a daughter so in a way at least you had something many other people can only wish for if only for a short time. All I can say is I am so sorry. 
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ooby_dooby: I3estman4u Words cannot express how I feel about what happened to your daughter. As I type this my face is getting warm and my eyes are filling with tears and I'm telling you the truth. I always wanted a daughter so in a way at least you had something many other people can only wish for if only for a short time. All I can say is I am so sorry.
Thanks Ooby. I mean it. Means a lot. Things happen.
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Venusruled: I am so sorry for your loss. It is a parent's worst nightmare, the thought of losing a child. Yet, I do believe that there is a higher purpose for such things happening. There are transformations that occur in the hearts of many of the living after such a tragedy. It is not for me to know why things happen the way they do. It is only for me to attempt to understand what purpose it may serve in my growth and evolution, spiritually.
Again, I have not actually experienced this kind of loss, and it scares the crap out of me to even contemplate it, but I would hope that if I went through something like this, eventually, I would be able to see the bigger picture and go on to have a life of joy and appreciation.
Again, I have not actually experienced this kind of loss, and it scares the crap out of me to even contemplate it, but I would hope that if I went through something like this, eventually, I would be able to see the bigger picture and go on to have a life of joy and appreciation.
I used to think, "Oh, I'd never do that" or "I'd never say that"...but I learned I don't fully know even my own self. Took me 6-7 years to even want to feel for anyone again...let alone God. The whole things was a mess...I was a mess. What I still have a hard time understanding, is at the moment of my greatest need, how can my ex walk away from me 3 months after it happened. I mean I understand struggles, but if someone who made the highest commitment to someone else can just walk after something like that...anyone can walk really. This has been a hurdle for me to trust people let alone someone I want to spend my life with. I understand anger at God at a deep level.
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wonderworker: Hypocrisy n. dissimulation,pretense,sanctimony,pharisaism.The feigning of admirable qualities not actually possessed.(Webster)
The abscense of belief is not equivalent to a belief in disbelief.It is non-belief.
Ooby has nothing to defend by non-belief.Disbelief would be another matter.
The abscense of belief is not equivalent to a belief in disbelief.It is non-belief.
Ooby has nothing to defend by non-belief.Disbelief would be another matter.
hy·poc·ri·sy
/h?'p?kr?si/ Show Spelled Show IPA
–noun,plural-sies.
1.
a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess.
2.
a pretense of having some desirable or publicly approved attitude.
3.
an act or instance of hypocrisy.
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Raynew1959: Actually, I have read quite a bit of it and found it to be boring and unbelievable.
I loved reading it as a child, we had a wonderful and beautiful bound copy with glorious pictures but even then I read it as I did my books of fairytales, knowing that it was not fact but a story made up by someone.
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God made a perfect world....remember!!!!
But we humans knew more than God and choose this way. Aren't we smart.
If we ALL went back to obeying in all things......then God would make all things as they were.
It is your fault....Ooby! You are not doing your part to restore things....because you know more than God.
God is letting you and all others bring this world to the brink of destroying all mankind......then in mercy he will stop US and YOU.
Don't blame God if we told him to butt out and he did.
But we humans knew more than God and choose this way. Aren't we smart.
If we ALL went back to obeying in all things......then God would make all things as they were.
It is your fault....Ooby! You are not doing your part to restore things....because you know more than God.
God is letting you and all others bring this world to the brink of destroying all mankind......then in mercy he will stop US and YOU.
Don't blame God if we told him to butt out and he did.
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texasgirl8585: Yes. If everything was perfect, how would anyone see their need for God?
That's right.
It's only the fool that says in his heart "there is no God".
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wonderworker:
The abscense of belief is not equivalent to a belief in disbelief.It is non-belief.
The abscense of belief is not equivalent to a belief in disbelief.It is non-belief.
It doesn't matter how you twist it or how many negations you apply, without faith, it is impossible to please God.
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ooby_dooby: Records allege Utah man beat stepson to death.
Still believe there's a loving god up in the sky who protects the most vulnerable and innocent?
Still believe there's a loving god up in the sky who protects the most vulnerable and innocent?
I honestly believe Ooby_dooby was not trying to be vicious, but passionately defending the little children in our society in our respective countries. I have been so conditioned to defend my faith from those that are bent on attacking God and those that choose to follow Him, that I automatically assumed ooby_dooby was doing it again. And perhaps he may have been a little given his own admission of having a non belief about God.
Sitting here looking at my response and some others towards ooby and a few others, I'm reminded once more that my battle is not against flesh and blood but against the principalities, powers and philosophies that are at work in those that do not believe. Also, that there are sincere people that are leery about giving themselves over to something they don't fully understand...I understand that, and yet at times forget that.
ooby_dooby has shown his sensitivity and passion in a few posts up. I am glad we have people like him in this world that are not afraid to stand for those that can't stand for themselves. I just pray God will not leave him alone like He didn't leave me alone.
Cheers oopby_dooby
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ooby_dooby* sorry
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Yes, and if this happened to a child I knew, I'm not sure I would be able to be detached at all. I am expressing an ideal, of course. It seems us humans are a far way off from being truly compassionate and loving beings. But we all have our moments and that is where the gold is.
It seems that when people act out of passion and raw emotion, there is less malevolent intent than when someone plots and plans ways to make their fellow humans angry or miserable.
I wonder if the heinous baby killers and serial murderers are the reason this world is in the shape it's in, or if it is the insidious greedy ones, the pot stirrers, the elitist ones, the power mongers that have caused more damage.