A bit of Ocean Therapy with Kevin Costner (33)
"Ban oil drilling/rigs etc in the ocean, until they can prove they can be responsible, with all the checks in place!!! We have no right to continue raping and pillaging the ocean and it's creatures."
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My prediction........We haven't even seen the tip of the iceberg when it comes to how much damage this thing will do. My experience as a seasoned scuba diver tells me that the ocean has a lot of down-currents that can potentiall keep most of this oil down below until much much later - when it surfaces somewhere unexpected. THEN it's gonna be very UGLY ! 
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venere08: I think you have some seriously skewed deductive reasoning issues.
Other than that, I am speechless at your comment.
Other than that, I am speechless at your comment.
I'm al for everything else, i just hate the way people idolize celebrity
but great cause
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jahzah: I'm al for everything else, i just hate the way people idolize celebrity
but great cause
but great cause
You seem to have missed the point.
The fact that Kevin Costner is celebrity, is totally incidental.
He eventually got a hearing in Congress DESPITE that.
Pity you got stuck in the issue of celebrity. It is what he's done with the moeny earned from being one, that is admirable and to be wholly respected. I have no doubt whatsoever, that he cares little about being a celebrity in relation to this issue.
Look at the money this man has....I think he neither needs nor wants more money FOR HIMSELF..
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jvaski: My prediction........We haven't even seen the tip of the iceberg when it comes to how much damage this thing will do. My experience as a seasoned scuba diver tells me that the ocean has a lot of down-currents that can potentiall keep most of this oil down below until much much later - when it surfaces somewhere unexpected. THEN it's gonna be very UGLY !
Hopefully it erupts under some oil company's headquarters!!!
But sadly, I doubt we could all be so lucky.
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venere08: Hopefully it erupts under some oil company's headquarters!!!
But sadly, I doubt we could all be so lucky.
But sadly, I doubt we could all be so lucky.
Ironically - the oil has washed up upon traditionally republican shores ......
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jvaski: Ironically - the oil has washed up upon traditionally republican shores ......
Maybe when they could direct some of the slush once separated, to some of those responsible.
Maybe Mr CEO and all who failed to supervise the operations, and failed to plan for possible crises, should be forced to help clean every one of the sodden birds who are rendered helpless on those very shores. And to bury each one that doesn't make it.
Maybe they could be dragged to the bottom of the ocean to get an eye witness view of the underwater devastation
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venere08: Maybe when they could direct some of the slush once separated, to some of those responsible.
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ttom500: Costner's biggest machine does 200 gallons of water a minute. Or 288,000 gallon of water daily.
BP release is between 800,000 and 1.2 m gallons of crude daily. Inserted into a water mass of 100s time that.
BP bought 32 for a test.
I can see it for localized control situations were not a lot of water needs to be processed. But is not 'the answer'. But no solution is the sole 'answer', this is going to take many solutions to solve.
But hats off Kevin Costner....
BP release is between 800,000 and 1.2 m gallons of crude daily. Inserted into a water mass of 100s time that.
BP bought 32 for a test.
I can see it for localized control situations were not a lot of water needs to be processed. But is not 'the answer'. But no solution is the sole 'answer', this is going to take many solutions to solve.
But hats off Kevin Costner....
If they bought 32 of the 200gal models, they'd be processing 9.2 million gallons of water a day.
If the machines operate based strictly on density, I wonder what else they might be filtering out of the water?
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venere08: "Maybe when they could direct some of the slush once separated, to some of those responsible."
BP funds search for green fuels at UC Berkeley
"This partnership with BP will develop new sustainable energy technologies that can transform the landscape. We believe EBI will create a culture where vibrant interpersonal interactions will generate extraordinarily innovative energy research."
Steve Chu, Dept. Energy, Director, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
“This bold research initiative at the University of Illinois will help farmers get more ethanol from abushel of corn and will create affordable ways to turn grasses and other farm products into fuels.As a result, our nation will be able to meet a higher Renewable Fuels Standard, which will move us a step closer towards energy independence.”
Barack Obama, U.S. Senator, Illinois
Jun. 6, 2010
By Laurel Rosenhall
"A picture of an oiled bird is taped to the wall above Charlie Anderson's desk inside a UC Berkeley lab. The cormorant, drenched in reddish-brown oil, lies limp on a Louisiana shore, water rippling around its splayed wings.
On a hook next to the picture hangs Anderson's white lab coat, embroidered with the words "Energy Biosciences Institute."
The connection between the crisp lab coat in Berkeley and the oiled bird more than 2,000 miles away is BP, the petroleum company responsible for the largest oil spill in U.S. history. BP sponsors the Energy Biosciences Institute at Cal, a buzzing lab of 300 researchers trying to make fuel out of plants...
"What the oil spill has done is add urgency to that mission."
For some, however, the spill also has raised new questions about a research partnership that has been controversial from the start, marrying the profit-driven interests of a global oil company with the brains and cachet of one of the world's top universities.
The $500 million BP pledged in 2007 to form the Energy Biosciences Institute was the largest corporate sponsorship ever of university research. The gift – doled out over 10 years to UC Berkeley, the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign – created an institute to research plant-based fuels such as ethanol.
"We don't want to sacrifice our research when it has such promise," Fleming said.
UC Berkeley had set renewable energy research as a priority years before it struck its deal with BP, Fleming said.
"We had no clue where the money would come from," he said. "And we were very surprised to get the letter from BP one day asking us if we wanted to compete for the EBI. This wasn't something where we went chasing the money. We had this idea all along."
That "we" includes Fleming and Steven Chu, the former head of the Lawrence Berkeley National Lab who is now the U.S. secretary of energy. Chu's undersecretary, Steven Koonin, worked for BP in 2007 and played a role in the company's decision to award Berkeley the $500 million for the institute.
Many of the institute's scientists said they don't see much difference between getting money from a company and getting it from the government, the other major source of funding for scientific research. Both have agendas that drive research, said Chris Somerville, a Cal plant biologist and the institute's director."
MORE HERE,
BP funds search for green fuels at UC Berkeley
"This partnership with BP will develop new sustainable energy technologies that can transform the landscape. We believe EBI will create a culture where vibrant interpersonal interactions will generate extraordinarily innovative energy research."
Steve Chu, Dept. Energy, Director, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory
“This bold research initiative at the University of Illinois will help farmers get more ethanol from abushel of corn and will create affordable ways to turn grasses and other farm products into fuels.As a result, our nation will be able to meet a higher Renewable Fuels Standard, which will move us a step closer towards energy independence.”
Barack Obama, U.S. Senator, Illinois
Jun. 6, 2010
By Laurel Rosenhall
"A picture of an oiled bird is taped to the wall above Charlie Anderson's desk inside a UC Berkeley lab. The cormorant, drenched in reddish-brown oil, lies limp on a Louisiana shore, water rippling around its splayed wings.
On a hook next to the picture hangs Anderson's white lab coat, embroidered with the words "Energy Biosciences Institute."
The connection between the crisp lab coat in Berkeley and the oiled bird more than 2,000 miles away is BP, the petroleum company responsible for the largest oil spill in U.S. history. BP sponsors the Energy Biosciences Institute at Cal, a buzzing lab of 300 researchers trying to make fuel out of plants...
"What the oil spill has done is add urgency to that mission."
For some, however, the spill also has raised new questions about a research partnership that has been controversial from the start, marrying the profit-driven interests of a global oil company with the brains and cachet of one of the world's top universities.
The $500 million BP pledged in 2007 to form the Energy Biosciences Institute was the largest corporate sponsorship ever of university research. The gift – doled out over 10 years to UC Berkeley, the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign – created an institute to research plant-based fuels such as ethanol.
"We don't want to sacrifice our research when it has such promise," Fleming said.
UC Berkeley had set renewable energy research as a priority years before it struck its deal with BP, Fleming said.
"We had no clue where the money would come from," he said. "And we were very surprised to get the letter from BP one day asking us if we wanted to compete for the EBI. This wasn't something where we went chasing the money. We had this idea all along."
That "we" includes Fleming and Steven Chu, the former head of the Lawrence Berkeley National Lab who is now the U.S. secretary of energy. Chu's undersecretary, Steven Koonin, worked for BP in 2007 and played a role in the company's decision to award Berkeley the $500 million for the institute.
Many of the institute's scientists said they don't see much difference between getting money from a company and getting it from the government, the other major source of funding for scientific research. Both have agendas that drive research, said Chris Somerville, a Cal plant biologist and the institute's director."
MORE HERE,
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davpk10: Thats why it happened ...if there were no market for oil they would not be drilling for it....So it is countries like ours that is truly at fault...by forcing the supply because of the need/dependecy for the product..
There will always be a market for oil.
Aside from use as a fuel, crude is needed to make plastics from.
PVC, Nylon, ABS, Vinyl, Silicone, Plexiglass/Lucite, Polyester, Acrylics, etc, etc.
I don't think the thought occurs to a lot of people, when you talk about oil, that so much material, not just fuel, is made from oil. Not always crude oil, but much of it I would expect?
Think of all the plastic things you see in a store, or a home- Not just the products themselves, either...
Food packaging, tubes, bottles, boxes, drawers, wrapping, tools, dishes, clothes, siding, furniture, car parts, appliances...
Plastic is vastly pervasive in American culture. Think about it.
Heck, try to name something you do every day that doesn't involve plastic, right?
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davpk10: Thats why it happened ...if there were no market for oil they would not be drilling for it....So it is countries like ours that is truly at fault...by forcing the supply because of the need/dependecy for the product..
You can do your part by living in a cave and doing without your computer and television and your WII and all of those things you think we should all do without.
Let's start with you then you can then talk about us.
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But the situation in the Gulf today.....is 1000s of square miles with slicks and then unknown number of crude blooms drifting from the bottom to near the surface. There it is a different deal.
That is the big scale that this spill situation faces us with. What we learned with the Exxon Valdes does not even well apply. That spill was in a narrow coastal entry bay with Islands that helps to contain it.
This one is out in the open water and running with the currents and winds. We are getting there on the control efforts and tech requirements......but I think that we have heard the last of
a junk shot for a time....))
Well, after nearly 2 months of uncontained spewing of thick oil into the ocean, of-course it becomes a monumental task.
But let's go back to day 1. Had they been proactive, and put in place some of these measures they are now looking at employing, how different the scenario, and the outcome could have been.
What this really highlights, is that these companies should be banned from our oceans. They are negligent and incapable of running such operations. It's a bit like appointing me to oversee brain surgery, which is going to be performed by inadequately trained surgeons, or maybe performed by a florist!!!
No point in trying to patch up aomeone's frontal lobe after letting loose such a team on the poor victim!!!!!!!!!!! Besides, it should never have been permitted in the first place, let allowed to continue without prompt intervention! And you certainly wouldn't allow the same scenario a second time!!!!!
Not a very good analogy, but hopefully you can pick up on the point I'm trying to make.
Ban oil drilling/rigs etc in the ocean, until they can prove they can be responsible, with all the checks in place!!! We have no right to continue raping and pillaging the ocean and it's creatures.