Vegetarianism-yes or no? (126)
SpiderMoose: That is simply not true!
As vegetarian you do NOT have amy more or less risk of anemism as meat eaters. I do not say no one should eat meat but the consumption of meat is way to high with many negative effects to the worlds environment and to the health of the individuals.
As vegetarian you do NOT have amy more or less risk of anemism as meat eaters. I do not say no one should eat meat but the consumption of meat is way to high with many negative effects to the worlds environment and to the health of the individuals.
SpiderMoose: That is simply not true!
As vegetarian you do NOT have amy more or less risk of anemism as meat eaters. I do not say no one should eat meat but the consumption of meat is way to high with many negative effects to the worlds environment and to the health of the individuals.
As vegetarian you do NOT have amy more or less risk of anemism as meat eaters. I do not say no one should eat meat but the consumption of meat is way to high with many negative effects to the worlds environment and to the health of the individuals.
Got any medical facts to back it up mate?
If you don't eat meat, where do you get your proteins and iron from? You need both to keep your muscles strong and healthy.
I am a regular blood donor, and due to my lifestyle that involves sports practically everyday my iron levels tend to be lower than the average. Iron being one of the elements that the body loses most of when sweating.
I once was not allowed to donate blood precisely because my iron level was too low (though still within healthy levels). When the doctor asked me about my lifestyle and I told him that I eat healthy and do sports everyday, he said that as a minimum, a person like me should eat red meat AT LEAST twice per week.
Of course, I agree with you that eating a steak everyday is NOT healthy either. We need both meat AND vegetables to stay healthy and fit. If on the other hand you're a couch potato (not aimed at you mind, just in general), then yes, eating red meat often can be damaging.
wulfen: Got any medical facts to back it up mate?
Yes :) But the sources I have through my medical school are all in german.
Also in Wiki is the more detailed site in german:
"Entgegen landläufiger Meinung erkranken Vegetarier nicht häufiger an Eisenmangelanämie als Mischköstler."
Ok, how about you? Any proof for your statement?
wulfen: If you don't eat meat, where do you get your proteins and iron from? You need both to keep your muscles strong and healthy.
Are you kidding mate :D
The list with plants to give you proteins are even longer than those you get iron from ;)
wulfen: I am a regular blood donor, and due to my lifestyle that involves sports practically everyday my iron levels tend to be lower than the average. Iron being one of the elements that the body loses most of when sweating.
Loss of iron by sweating???
That is new to me, can you point me to a source about that?
There are quite a few other reasons possible that you have a lack of iron than just not eating enough meat. It can be also blocked by other substances.
One of those is e.g. Phosphat what is often in industrial produced meat ;)
wulfen: I once was not allowed to donate blood precisely because my iron level was too low (though still within healthy levels). When the doctor asked me about my lifestyle and I told him that I eat healthy and do sports everyday, he said that as a minimum, a person like me should eat red meat AT LEAST twice per week.
This is a standard answer by doctors who do not know much about nutriens and / or are meat eaters them self.
It is more that this answer is easy for them and how I said already their can be other reasons for a lack of iron -> Do you (e.g.) ... smoke (no offence to you smoky: nimm Kräuterblut das tut dir gut;)? ... drink coffee? ... eat many eggs?
wulfen: Of course, I agree with you that eating a steak everyday is NOT healthy either. We need both meat AND vegetables to stay healthy and fit. If on the other hand you're a couch potato (not aimed at you mind, just in general), then yes, eating red meat often can be damaging.
It is simply not true that we NEED meat to stay healthy.
(1000ends of buddhist monks proof you wrong :D)
Just to get that right, I am vegetarien to 95%, I have killed animals to eat them and of some I did even know their names but I did know they had a good life and also a good death.
I do not wanna tell anyone to become vegetarian!
wulfen:
Re-doctors giving the need to eat more meat as a 'standard' excuse, no offence meant mate, but I'd rather trust the word of a qualified doctor I know AND trust, than the words of some stranger on the net.
Re-doctors giving the need to eat more meat as a 'standard' excuse, no offence meant mate, but I'd rather trust the word of a qualified doctor I know AND trust, than the words of some stranger on the net.
Lol ... sure, you would be crazy if you would not question the words of a stranger on the net, but it is also good to question the words of a doctor sometimes too ;)
I do actually not believe that there is ONE healthy diet for everyone, coz humans are different build and have different habits.
wulfen: Low iron intake is a problem for vegetarians
I do not agree with this one.
Low iron intake is also the problem for meat eaters who do not get enough vitamin c for example. It is not about veggie or not, it is about a well arranged (mixed) meal.
wulfen: As for protein intake, beans and similar plants contain protein, yet the body absorbs those at a much lower level that those found in meat.
This is only true for ppl who had a meat dominated diet before and try to switch. If your body is used to absorbe veggie proteins it is even faster than the meat once before, but the change has to be very slowly to avoid an anemia. In the way it is stated above, it is not true in general and this is not mentioned so it is a false guide.
You life for sure healthy and you have a healthy diet, I do not question that at all and I do not want to tell you to not eat meat just the vegetarian-anemia-fary-tail I do not let count.
Btw. has the meat-producing industrie a big lobby with a lot of cash to loose. So watch out for false propaganda!!
May I ask what martial art do you do?
I am into Judo, Hapkido and Karate.
Also I do yoga but that's no martial art :)
SpiderMoose: Lol ... sure, you would be crazy if you would not question the words of a stranger on the net, but it is also good to question the words of a doctor sometimes too ;)
We're in agreement on that, hence why I like to research stuff for myself too
SpiderMoose: I do actually not believe that there is ONE healthy diet for everyone, coz humans are different build and have different habits.I do not agree with this one.
Low iron intake is also the problem for meat eaters who do not get enough vitamin c for example. It is not about veggie or not, it is about a well arranged (mixed) meal.
Low iron intake is also the problem for meat eaters who do not get enough vitamin c for example. It is not about veggie or not, it is about a well arranged (mixed) meal.
Yes I agree that a mixed diet is the best. I wasn't advocating a pure meat diet, I see that as being one extreme, with vegetarians/vegans on the other. From personal experience extremes are never usually right.
I shouldn't have a problem re-the vitamin C. I forgot to say I usually take an organd and an apple as a mid-morning snack, plus I take a multi-vitamin & a cod liver oil table in the morning as well.
SpiderMoose: This is only true for ppl who had a meat dominated diet before and try to switch. If your body is used to absorbe veggie proteins it is even faster than the meat once before, but the change has to be very slowly to avoid an anemia. In the way it is stated above, it is not true in general and this is not mentioned so it is a false guide.
I guess we're not in agreement here. From what I've read, proteins from vegetables are absorbed more slowly than ones from meat.
Morals and ethics aside, we've evolved as omnivorous creatures (like the rest of the apes for that matter), surely if we were meant to be better off being purely vegetarian, we'd have a different gastric tract etc no? I say again, I'm not stating we should be pure carnivores, but neither pure herbivores to stay healthy (oh, I don't count burgers as meat, god only knows what's in those! lol)
SpiderMoose: You life for sure healthy and you have a healthy diet, I do not question that at all and I do not want to tell you to not eat meat just the vegetarian-anemia-fary-tail I do not let count.
Btw. has the meat-producing industrie a big lobby with a lot of cash to loose. So watch out for false propaganda!!
May I ask what martial art do you do?
I am into Judo, Hapkido and Karate.
Also I do yoga but that's no martial art :)
Btw. has the meat-producing industrie a big lobby with a lot of cash to loose. So watch out for false propaganda!!
May I ask what martial art do you do?
I am into Judo, Hapkido and Karate.
Also I do yoga but that's no martial art :)
I agree with you re-the meat industry lobby. Sadly nowadays business puts pressure into everything, from climate change to food etc, so you can never trust your sources 100%.
Re-martial arts, I currently do ju-jitsu and kenjutsu.
I used to do sports fencing in my teens to my early twenties, but had to stop that as I was having recurring knee ligament injuries due to the constant lunging. I also studied European Renaissance sword fighting for a couple of years, and hope to do so again in the near future :)
Oh, I also play a football game once a week usually. Yeah I konw, I'm a sports freak
wulfen:
Morals and ethics aside, we've evolved as omnivorous creatures
Morals and ethics aside, we've evolved as omnivorous creatures
Did you know that the different blood groups developed in different times and have an effect what a person can better digest?
E.g.: Bloodgroup 0 is the oldest, from a time when "we" were hunters and eating meat most the time. Ppl with that Bloodgroup can digest meat well, while BG A (that's me) is from the next stage when "we" began to farm and were eating manly veggies. This BG can digest veggie food very good and less meat. And so on ...
Just as an interesting story :)
wulfen: (oh, I don't count burgers as meat, god only knows what's in those! lol)
I would not even call that "Food" lol!
wulfen: Re-martial arts, I currently do ju-jitsu and kenjutsu.
I know Ju-jitsu ... kenjutsu is sword-fight, isn't it?
wulfen: I used to do sports fencing in my teens to my early twenties, but had to stop that as I was having recurring knee ligament injuries due to the constant lunging.
I am sorry to hear that.
wulfen: I also studied European Renaissance sword fighting for a couple of years, and hope to do so again in the near future :)
That sounds very interesting. I went to some Castel events where I could wittness some pretty cool sword fights but had never the chance to try it myself. I have an english longbow and traind with that a lot. A very powerful weapon ... silent and deadly ;)
wulfen: Yeah I konw, I'm a sports freak
Lol ... seems like, but it's good
Don’t know about sweating, nor about proteins in vegetables, but I know that women lose blood every month, and it happens, and not that seldom, that a woman after 40 has difficult to keep hemoglobin level within norm. Then the first thing your doctor asks when looking at your blood values is whether you eat red meat. But perhaps the doc is just nosy type that fishes for irrelevant information of no other reason that own curiosity.
Or perhaps red meat has something to do with hemoglobin level…
To OP:
With all my respect to your choice I want to say the following: You’ve seen the light 3 months ago, until that you ate meat, didn’t you? So now you can’t do anything else but wait ‘till the rest of the meat-eaters would see the same light.
Or perhaps red meat has something to do with hemoglobin level…
To OP:
With all my respect to your choice I want to say the following: You’ve seen the light 3 months ago, until that you ate meat, didn’t you? So now you can’t do anything else but wait ‘till the rest of the meat-eaters would see the same light.
Tulefel: Don’t know about sweating, nor about proteins in vegetables, but I know that women lose blood every month, and it happens, and not that seldom, that a woman after 40 has difficult to keep hemoglobin level within norm. Then the first thing your doctor asks when looking at your blood values is whether you eat red meat. But perhaps the doc is just nosy type that fishes for irrelevant information of no other reason that own curiosity.
Or perhaps red meat has something to do with hemoglobin level…
To OP:
With all my respect to your choice I want to say the following: You’ve seen the light 3 months ago, until that you ate meat, didn’t you? So now you can’t do anything else but wait ‘till the rest of the meat-eaters would see the same light.
Or perhaps red meat has something to do with hemoglobin level…
To OP:
With all my respect to your choice I want to say the following: You’ve seen the light 3 months ago, until that you ate meat, didn’t you? So now you can’t do anything else but wait ‘till the rest of the meat-eaters would see the same light.
I see the light some years ago but couldn't decide to stop eating meat,actually i always ate meat rarely,just because i prefer only lamb...so maybe it's easier for me to became a vegetarian...
Tulefel: Don’t know about sweating, nor about proteins in vegetables, but I know that women lose blood every month, and it happens, and not that seldom, that a woman after 40 has difficult to keep hemoglobin level within norm. Then the first thing your doctor asks when looking at your blood values is whether you eat red meat. But perhaps the doc is just nosy type that fishes for irrelevant information of no other reason that own curiosity.
Or perhaps red meat has something to do with hemoglobin level…
To OP:
With all my respect to your choice I want to say the following: You’ve seen the light 3 months ago, until that you ate meat, didn’t you? So now you can’t do anything else but wait ‘till the rest of the meat-eaters would see the same light.
Or perhaps red meat has something to do with hemoglobin level…
To OP:
With all my respect to your choice I want to say the following: You’ve seen the light 3 months ago, until that you ate meat, didn’t you? So now you can’t do anything else but wait ‘till the rest of the meat-eaters would see the same light.
It does in fact. Nutrients from red meat are usually the ones more easily absorbed by a body.
Here's a link to an article I found on the subject:
Here's an extract with the relevant paragraph:
Hemoglobin deficiency results in anemia and can be caused due to various reasons. The treatment of anemia depends on the cause of the disease. In case of iron deficiency anemia, the treatment includes taking iron supplements and food rich in iron. It is believed that iron in food from animal sources are more beneficial in increasing hemoglobin levels than that from plant sources. Shell fish, chicken, liver, beef, red meat, turkey, fish, pork, etc are good sources of iron. Eggs, dark vegetables, green leaves, dried fruits, nuts and beans are also rich in iron.
Although not strictly comparable to humans, consider the amount of food a carnivore has to eat compared with a herbivore. A lion will eat once or twice a week and meet his nutritional requirements, whereas a cape buffalo has to practically graze the whole day every day.
This is mostly true of all carnivore vs herbivore nutritional needs.
dashuri: I see the light some years ago but couldn't decide to stop eating meat,actually i always ate meat rarely,just because i prefer only lamb...so maybe it's easier for me to became a vegetarian...
Well… I’ve noticed some tendency towards declaration of one’s own life style being right (in some cases even graceful). It’s good that you do what you think is right, especially if it’s easy for you. But again, I don’t see much connection between vegetarianism and cruelty to animals.
True, to make meat cheaper, hence more attractive to consumer, some producers keep their stock in very bad conditions. But those producers are more likely to survive if demand for meat would decrease. As meat consumer you can always ask who and how has produced the meat and make your choices. The better conditions for animals the more expensive the meat of course.
But besides the issue of vegetarianism, there still are people who get animals, pets, and mistreat them, torture and kill, just for own entertainment. Would vegetarianism help somehow in that case?
Tulefel: Well… I’ve noticed some tendency towards declaration of one’s own life style being right (in some cases even graceful). It’s good that you do what you think is right, especially if it’s easy for you. But again, I don’t see much connection between vegetarianism and cruelty to animals.
True, to make meat cheaper, hence more attractive to consumer, some producers keep their stock in very bad conditions. But those producers are more likely to survive if demand for meat would decrease. As meat consumer you can always ask who and how has produced the meat and make your choices. The better conditions for animals the more expensive the meat of course.
But besides the issue of vegetarianism, there still are people who get animals, pets, and mistreat them, torture and kill, just for own entertainment. Would vegetarianism help somehow in that case?
True, to make meat cheaper, hence more attractive to consumer, some producers keep their stock in very bad conditions. But those producers are more likely to survive if demand for meat would decrease. As meat consumer you can always ask who and how has produced the meat and make your choices. The better conditions for animals the more expensive the meat of course.
But besides the issue of vegetarianism, there still are people who get animals, pets, and mistreat them, torture and kill, just for own entertainment. Would vegetarianism help somehow in that case?
Actully i do it for my health,we have a little house in the countryside and when i was kid used to go every summer so the people there have pigs,cows,goats...and i saw once our neighbor to kill his pig in the yard and the animal was so terrified and was running in a cirlcle and people could't catch it and finally they took and put it on a big table,connected it with ropes and u can guess what they did.....poor pig was squealing with a real pain,that is one the horrible things i saw in my life
Tulefel:
But besides the issue of vegetarianism, there still are people who get animals, pets, and mistreat them, torture and kill, just for own entertainment. Would vegetarianism help somehow in that case?
But besides the issue of vegetarianism, there still are people who get animals, pets, and mistreat them, torture and kill, just for own entertainment. Would vegetarianism help somehow in that case?
maybe helping in a cat or dog shelter would be better than KILLING poor plants
I love it when extremists get going on their theme songs .....
And you all know what? ...... Someone, somewhere, is laughing at all this collective "intelligence"!
There were some guys who survived by eating the dead flesh of their comrades, simply because they had nothing else to eat. Luckily, and unluckily, depending on your viewpoint ...they had crashed in a frozen mountain area and hit on the idea of the frozen meat lying about the place.
Without the human flesh they would have all died. They managed to walk and find help.
So .. I am wondering .... if there had been some other type of food, like a crate of vegetables, or fruits, or even some bread ..... would they still have survived?
And you all know what? ...... Someone, somewhere, is laughing at all this collective "intelligence"!
There were some guys who survived by eating the dead flesh of their comrades, simply because they had nothing else to eat. Luckily, and unluckily, depending on your viewpoint ...they had crashed in a frozen mountain area and hit on the idea of the frozen meat lying about the place.
Without the human flesh they would have all died. They managed to walk and find help.
So .. I am wondering .... if there had been some other type of food, like a crate of vegetables, or fruits, or even some bread ..... would they still have survived?
smoky: So .. I am wondering .... if there had been some other type of food, like a crate of vegetables, or fruits, or even some bread ..... would they still have survived?
I think they would have, but on an icy mountain there is a bit of a shortage of such
mike69spain: I think they would have, but on an icy mountain there is a bit of a shortage of such
Exactly ..... so they ate what was available. When you`re hungry, really hungry, doesn`t matter what you eat ...... your body uses it!smoky: Exactly ..... so they ate what was available. When you`re hungry, really hungry, doesn't matter what you eat ...... your body uses it!
That's when there are no options, even to a Buddhist it would have been kosher (
) since they did not actually kill anyone to get food on the table.It's good life tomorrow is unknown to us today...
Bloodgroup O+!
No wonder I like Meat!
No wonder I like Meat!
smoky: Exactly ..... so they ate what was available. When you`re hungry, really hungry, doesn`t matter what you eat ...... your body uses it!
Hard to argue with that.
I hope you don't revert to eating human corpses when there's different food around Smoky!
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However, nature is meant to be that way, we are omnivores, so we need both meat and vegetables to survive healthily.
If you follow a sports related diet and lifestyle, if you just eat vegetables you'll soon end up at risk of anemism. If it's a matter between risking my health, and the death of a chicken, then I'm sorry, but I value my life as being better than a chicken's, simple as that.
That is simply not true!
As vegetarian you do NOT have amy more or less risk of anemism as meat eaters. I do not say no one should eat meat but the consumption of meat is way to high with many negative effects to the worlds environment and to the health of the individuals.