.......WHAT IS INTELLECT.....??? (60)
magna1: What does that mean to you??Can we pinpoint intellect???Does it lie within an education,-or plain knowledge.....Well,-I´m quite curious to see what people around the globe might think of that,-and give some views from their part of the world....Unfortunately,-the cultural/intellectual climate here,(Sweden),-has reached ever-low......,and sad to say,-I do believe it´s not reversable.....
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intellect is not factored from education, intellect is actually The ability to learn and reason; the capacity for knowledge and understanding, according to the dictionary, in a manner of speaking it would be the ground floor for where intelligence would be translated, everyone is born with intellect but with no intelligence what so ever, apart from Mother Natures Instincts.
So the name of the thread would be what is intelligence?
Intellect could be from genetics, take for example an Autistic Child or a two or three year old that has never been exposed to a piano and walks over to one sits down and plays a song they had just heard. this is a combination of intellect and intelligence
intellect because they translated the information and intelligence to pull the information and transfer it to the proper keys on the piano, also like in the movie "Rainman" just to prove a point, because some people have the ability to do complex calculations in their head also problem solving with the speed of a computer, is this intellect or intelligence they have never been educated the parents do not even know how to do the calculations, intellect would be the most viable answer.
But I think what you are saying is the children of today are not as capable of using the intellect or intelligence to their favor.
I would say everything starts in the home. But seems like it is spread world wide, The more parents give the less the children listen and obey, years ago children got very little and listened well. I would say the intellect and intelligence is there but they are using it to their benefit, why work when it will be handed to you...(yes I finally got to the point)
So the name of the thread would be what is intelligence?
Intellect could be from genetics, take for example an Autistic Child or a two or three year old that has never been exposed to a piano and walks over to one sits down and plays a song they had just heard. this is a combination of intellect and intelligence
intellect because they translated the information and intelligence to pull the information and transfer it to the proper keys on the piano, also like in the movie "Rainman" just to prove a point, because some people have the ability to do complex calculations in their head also problem solving with the speed of a computer, is this intellect or intelligence they have never been educated the parents do not even know how to do the calculations, intellect would be the most viable answer.
But I think what you are saying is the children of today are not as capable of using the intellect or intelligence to their favor.
I would say everything starts in the home. But seems like it is spread world wide, The more parents give the less the children listen and obey, years ago children got very little and listened well. I would say the intellect and intelligence is there but they are using it to their benefit, why work when it will be handed to you...(yes I finally got to the point)
magna1: Good answer!!!What was used to be called intellect is hardly on demand anymore...of course,the world has changed in a rapid way,and nothing stays the same...But it amazes me how many people around me not even are interested in learning new thing´s,even though all knowledge is available...Reading a book is almost rare...Scary thing is,-and I see it close to me,-many parents can hardly spell or write properly,-so what can they teach their children...And 2 generations from here,-what will it be like..problem is,as I wrote earlier,-many people are handing over the thinking and decision-making to authorities...,almost like a conspiracy-theory,-give opium to the people in form of nonsense-media,weaken their will,make them lazy,-so that no-one even bothers to oppose,(whatever it might be),and never question...Cause you can´t question,if you don´t know what to ask...Can´t oppose,since you´re intellect been so weakened,that you´ll be run over in just a sentence....,and without knowledge,-you´re always on the losing side...
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It's not as easy to pinpoint definitively as one might suppose - you can gather that by the variety of replies in this thread.
When I think of someone having intellect, I think primarily that this person is conversant with and enjoys considering ideas. I would say the heart of intellect, of being an "intellectual," is the pursuit of ideas. It's not about general knowledge, per se, though that clearly informs one's consideration of ideas (for example, you wouldn't call someone who knew a lot of geography an intellectual for that reason alone); it's not about intelligence, per se (one could be intelligent about math or game strategies or mechanics without being particularly intellectual, for example), but intelligence clearly enables one's consideration of ideas.
I wouldn't say, as do most dictionaries, that intellect is the "ability to learn and reason; the capacity for knowledge and understanding. b. The ability to think abstractly or profoundly" (The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition). By that definition, almost every human being is an intellectual.
So my take is that intellect consists of the intelligent and systematic analysis of ideas.
I see nothing pompous or arrogant or negative in any way about this. Quite the contrary: intellect is the essence of being a civilized and enlightened person.
When I think of someone having intellect, I think primarily that this person is conversant with and enjoys considering ideas. I would say the heart of intellect, of being an "intellectual," is the pursuit of ideas. It's not about general knowledge, per se, though that clearly informs one's consideration of ideas (for example, you wouldn't call someone who knew a lot of geography an intellectual for that reason alone); it's not about intelligence, per se (one could be intelligent about math or game strategies or mechanics without being particularly intellectual, for example), but intelligence clearly enables one's consideration of ideas.
I wouldn't say, as do most dictionaries, that intellect is the "ability to learn and reason; the capacity for knowledge and understanding. b. The ability to think abstractly or profoundly" (The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition). By that definition, almost every human being is an intellectual.
So my take is that intellect consists of the intelligent and systematic analysis of ideas.
I see nothing pompous or arrogant or negative in any way about this. Quite the contrary: intellect is the essence of being a civilized and enlightened person.
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night_whispers50: intellect is not factored from education, intellect is actually The ability to learn and reason; the capacity for knowledge and understanding, according to the dictionary, in a manner of speaking it would be the ground floor for where intelligence would be translated, everyone is born with intellect but with no intelligence what so ever, apart from Mother Natures Instincts.
I was going to say pretty much the same thing but don't have to, now. Intellect isn't measured by how much you know. It's measured by the capacity to think, reason, solve problems and APPLY what you know.
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gardenhackle: I was going to say pretty much the same thing but don't have to, now. Intellect isn't measured by how much you know. It's measured by the capacity to think, reason, solve problems and APPLY what you know.
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Intellect, to me, is the ability and desire to learn. That ability should have no limits and that desire should never be totally satisfied.
This is simply my opinion, nothing else. I've noticed over the last half century a rather disturbing trend in the US. I don't know about other countries. We are more and more moving into a phase in which form is valued over function. Strident efforts are made to "dumb us down". (If we are encouraged to NOT use our heads and think for ourselves, we are easier to control.)
I noticed this trend when my daughters were in elementary school and it got worse as they advanced to high school. My oldest was doing post-graduate level work in 8th grade. Teachers were astounded by her capabilities, yet she was not allowed to advance. She was forced to stay at the level the rest of her class was working at. She was bored to distraction.
I encouraged her abilities and schooled her at home in addition to "regular" schooling. Despite my efforts, she was discouraged from pushing herself to learn. At home she was thrilled with learning. At school and in public she hid her desire to learn. She wanted to fit in. Her intellect/intelligence was seriously stifled no matter what I did.
Over the years her desire for knowledge has decreased and she no longer gets a thrill from pushing herself. I grew up in an age when we were pushed to learn all we could. Over the years my desire for knowledge has continued to increase.
We are all (figuratively speaking) born with the ability to learn. How far we are encouraged/permitted to develop that ability is what determines our future.
As I said: this is simply my opinion.
This is simply my opinion, nothing else. I've noticed over the last half century a rather disturbing trend in the US. I don't know about other countries. We are more and more moving into a phase in which form is valued over function. Strident efforts are made to "dumb us down". (If we are encouraged to NOT use our heads and think for ourselves, we are easier to control.)
I noticed this trend when my daughters were in elementary school and it got worse as they advanced to high school. My oldest was doing post-graduate level work in 8th grade. Teachers were astounded by her capabilities, yet she was not allowed to advance. She was forced to stay at the level the rest of her class was working at. She was bored to distraction.
I encouraged her abilities and schooled her at home in addition to "regular" schooling. Despite my efforts, she was discouraged from pushing herself to learn. At home she was thrilled with learning. At school and in public she hid her desire to learn. She wanted to fit in. Her intellect/intelligence was seriously stifled no matter what I did.
Over the years her desire for knowledge has decreased and she no longer gets a thrill from pushing herself. I grew up in an age when we were pushed to learn all we could. Over the years my desire for knowledge has continued to increase.
We are all (figuratively speaking) born with the ability to learn. How far we are encouraged/permitted to develop that ability is what determines our future.
As I said: this is simply my opinion.
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imsophie1: Intellect, to me, is the ability and desire to learn. That ability should have no limits and that desire should never be totally satisfied.
This is simply my opinion, nothing else. I've noticed over the last half century a rather disturbing trend in the US. I don't know about other countries. We are more and more moving into a phase in which form is valued over function. Strident efforts are made to "dumb us down". (If we are encouraged to NOT use our heads and think for ourselves, we are easier to control.)
I noticed this trend when my daughters were in elementary school and it got worse as they advanced to high school. My oldest was doing post-graduate level work in 8th grade. Teachers were astounded by her capabilities, yet she was not allowed to advance. She was forced to stay at the level the rest of her class was working at. She was bored to distraction.
I encouraged her abilities and schooled her at home in addition to "regular" schooling. Despite my efforts, she was discouraged from pushing herself to learn. At home she was thrilled with learning. At school and in public she hid her desire to learn. She wanted to fit in. Her intellect/intelligence was seriously stifled no matter what I did.
Over the years her desire for knowledge has decreased and she no longer gets a thrill from pushing herself. I grew up in an age when we were pushed to learn all we could. Over the years my desire for knowledge has continued to increase.
We are all (figuratively speaking) born with the ability to learn. How far we are encouraged/permitted to develop that ability is what determines our future.
As I said: this is simply my opinion.
\This is simply my opinion, nothing else. I've noticed over the last half century a rather disturbing trend in the US. I don't know about other countries. We are more and more moving into a phase in which form is valued over function. Strident efforts are made to "dumb us down". (If we are encouraged to NOT use our heads and think for ourselves, we are easier to control.)
I noticed this trend when my daughters were in elementary school and it got worse as they advanced to high school. My oldest was doing post-graduate level work in 8th grade. Teachers were astounded by her capabilities, yet she was not allowed to advance. She was forced to stay at the level the rest of her class was working at. She was bored to distraction.
I encouraged her abilities and schooled her at home in addition to "regular" schooling. Despite my efforts, she was discouraged from pushing herself to learn. At home she was thrilled with learning. At school and in public she hid her desire to learn. She wanted to fit in. Her intellect/intelligence was seriously stifled no matter what I did.
Over the years her desire for knowledge has decreased and she no longer gets a thrill from pushing herself. I grew up in an age when we were pushed to learn all we could. Over the years my desire for knowledge has continued to increase.
We are all (figuratively speaking) born with the ability to learn. How far we are encouraged/permitted to develop that ability is what determines our future.
As I said: this is simply my opinion.
I`ve read something about it( may be interpreted as a conspiracy theory) but ,true knowledge is not meant to be given in schools to the majority , only for a few chosen one ( by bloodline )
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imsophie1: Intellect, to me, is the ability and desire to learn. That ability should have no limits and that desire should never be totally satisfied.
This is simply my opinion, nothing else. I've noticed over the last half century a rather disturbing trend in the US. I don't know about other countries. We are more and more moving into a phase in which form is valued over function. Strident efforts are made to "dumb us down". (If we are encouraged to NOT use our heads and think for ourselves, we are easier to control.)
I noticed this trend when my daughters were in elementary school and it got worse as they advanced to high school. My oldest was doing post-graduate level work in 8th grade. Teachers were astounded by her capabilities, yet she was not allowed to advance. She was forced to stay at the level the rest of her class was working at. She was bored to distraction.
I encouraged her abilities and schooled her at home in addition to "regular" schooling. Despite my efforts, she was discouraged from pushing herself to learn. At home she was thrilled with learning. At school and in public she hid her desire to learn. She wanted to fit in. Her intellect/intelligence was seriously stifled no matter what I did.
Over the years her desire for knowledge has decreased and she no longer gets a thrill from pushing herself. I grew up in an age when we were pushed to learn all we could. Over the years my desire for knowledge has continued to increase.
We are all (figuratively speaking) born with the ability to learn. How far we are encouraged/permitted to develop that ability is what determines our future.
As I said: this is simply my opinion.
Well...just what I do "suspect"....I´m all to familiar with all this,and many thank´s for a nice post...Regards....This is simply my opinion, nothing else. I've noticed over the last half century a rather disturbing trend in the US. I don't know about other countries. We are more and more moving into a phase in which form is valued over function. Strident efforts are made to "dumb us down". (If we are encouraged to NOT use our heads and think for ourselves, we are easier to control.)
I noticed this trend when my daughters were in elementary school and it got worse as they advanced to high school. My oldest was doing post-graduate level work in 8th grade. Teachers were astounded by her capabilities, yet she was not allowed to advance. She was forced to stay at the level the rest of her class was working at. She was bored to distraction.
I encouraged her abilities and schooled her at home in addition to "regular" schooling. Despite my efforts, she was discouraged from pushing herself to learn. At home she was thrilled with learning. At school and in public she hid her desire to learn. She wanted to fit in. Her intellect/intelligence was seriously stifled no matter what I did.
Over the years her desire for knowledge has decreased and she no longer gets a thrill from pushing herself. I grew up in an age when we were pushed to learn all we could. Over the years my desire for knowledge has continued to increase.
We are all (figuratively speaking) born with the ability to learn. How far we are encouraged/permitted to develop that ability is what determines our future.
As I said: this is simply my opinion.
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night_whispers50: intellect is not factored from education, intellect is actually The ability to learn and reason; the capacity for knowledge and understanding, according to the dictionary, in a manner of speaking it would be the ground floor for where intelligence would be translated, everyone is born with intellect but with no intelligence what so ever, apart from Mother Natures Instincts.
So the name of the thread would be what is intelligence?
Intellect could be from genetics, take for example an Autistic Child or a two or three year old that has never been exposed to a piano and walks over to one sits down and plays a song they had just heard. this is a combination of intellect and intelligence
intellect because they translated the information and intelligence to pull the information and transfer it to the proper keys on the piano, also like in the movie "Rainman" just to prove a point, because some people have the ability to do complex calculations in their head also problem solving with the speed of a computer, is this intellect or intelligence they have never been educated the parents do not even know how to do the calculations, intellect would be the most viable answer.
But I think what you are saying is the children of today are not as capable of using the intellect or intelligence to their favor.
I would say everything starts in the home. But seems like it is spread world wide, The more parents give the less the children listen and obey, years ago children got very little and listened well. I would say the intellect and intelligence is there but they are using it to their benefit, why work when it will be handed to you...(yes I finally got to the point)
Very nice post,and yes,-I might mix-up the words a bit...as English´s not my native tongue..But,-as you wrote..."Why work for it,when it´s handed to you",-and you´re completely right...I do believe,from my part of the world,-that the welfare-state has had a negative effect on education...Might sound weird,but back to your statement,-why fightfor something,when you know you´ll get everyhing for free anyway!!!The State takes care of you..don´t worry..just give us your vote,and everything will be fine...Sort of....So the name of the thread would be what is intelligence?
Intellect could be from genetics, take for example an Autistic Child or a two or three year old that has never been exposed to a piano and walks over to one sits down and plays a song they had just heard. this is a combination of intellect and intelligence
intellect because they translated the information and intelligence to pull the information and transfer it to the proper keys on the piano, also like in the movie "Rainman" just to prove a point, because some people have the ability to do complex calculations in their head also problem solving with the speed of a computer, is this intellect or intelligence they have never been educated the parents do not even know how to do the calculations, intellect would be the most viable answer.
But I think what you are saying is the children of today are not as capable of using the intellect or intelligence to their favor.
I would say everything starts in the home. But seems like it is spread world wide, The more parents give the less the children listen and obey, years ago children got very little and listened well. I would say the intellect and intelligence is there but they are using it to their benefit, why work when it will be handed to you...(yes I finally got to the point)
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Intellect is synonymous with Intelligence and intelligence can be measured scientifically. It is both a biological as well as mental resource. Can intelligence be learned? Yes, to a degree with the acquisition of knowledge. But true intelligence is a born trait which through training and development, can expand measurably.
"The Kingdom of Heaven belongs to the childlike?" According to what source of information? A biblical source?
Intellect isn't measured specifically through grammer, but it usually is, barring dyslexia, an indicator of education. The exception being the idea today that it's cool to misspell or type in text slang containing the fewest syllables.
I don't enjoy aiming at the U.S. but it is a fact that "Modern" American culture tends to dominate globally and can and does undermine other cultures with it's unfortunate influence. This can be seen by any traveller anywhere. And, in agreement with the suggestion that mass media has projected not only information and education but detrimental practices and concepts, the typical source is invariably the U.S.
Hollywood is a prime example, wouldn't you agree?
"The Kingdom of Heaven belongs to the childlike?" According to what source of information? A biblical source?
Intellect isn't measured specifically through grammer, but it usually is, barring dyslexia, an indicator of education. The exception being the idea today that it's cool to misspell or type in text slang containing the fewest syllables.
I don't enjoy aiming at the U.S. but it is a fact that "Modern" American culture tends to dominate globally and can and does undermine other cultures with it's unfortunate influence. This can be seen by any traveller anywhere. And, in agreement with the suggestion that mass media has projected not only information and education but detrimental practices and concepts, the typical source is invariably the U.S.
Hollywood is a prime example, wouldn't you agree?
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Depth of perception.
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Boban1:
I`ve read something about it( may be interpreted as a conspiracy theory) but ,true knowledge is not meant to be given in schools to the majority , only for a few chosen one ( by bloodline )
I`ve read something about it( may be interpreted as a conspiracy theory) but ,true knowledge is not meant to be given in schools to the majority , only for a few chosen one ( by bloodline )
They do try but true knowledge will not be suppressed, it's everywhere around us!
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intellect is knowing a tomato is a fruit,
common sense is not putting it in a fruit salad.
common sense is not putting it in a fruit salad.
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Europrince: Intellect is synonymous with Intelligence and intelligence can be measured scientifically. It is both a biological as well as mental resource. Can intelligence be learned? Yes, to a degree with the acquisition of knowledge. But true intelligence is a born trait which through training and development, can expand measurably.
"The Kingdom of Heaven belongs to the childlike?" According to what source of information? A biblical source?
Intellect isn't measured specifically through grammer, but it usually is, barring dyslexia, an indicator of education. The exception being the idea today that it's cool to misspell or type in text slang containing the fewest syllables.
"The Kingdom of Heaven belongs to the childlike?" According to what source of information? A biblical source?
Intellect isn't measured specifically through grammer, but it usually is, barring dyslexia, an indicator of education. The exception being the idea today that it's cool to misspell or type in text slang containing the fewest syllables.
Intellect, and intelligence are not necessarily synonymous. You see, meanings are not in words they are in people. For example, an instrument that uses graphite for writing is only a pencil if we agree that it is. The thing is what it is. It has lead, and makes marks no matter what we call it. A rose by any other name, right? For this reason definitions of intellect vary from dictionary to dictionary, not to mention person to person, context to context, and I contend it cannot be "pinpointed". As for the Kingdom of Heaven belonging to the child like, sure, it's a Biblical reference, however, this is not the only source of the concept. Some suggest, for example, that Jesus was educated by other ancient sources when his parents took him and fled Herod's Royal baby killing decree. So if the Bible offends you, the idea can be found elsewhere, I promise.
I mean, sure, maybe I appeared to have a disdain for the educated with my previous comments; because I do. (sort of) Personally, while I attended University I maintained a 3.7 grade point average (4.0 is perfect, in case you didn't know). And, the most important thing I learned is that College isn't about knowledge, or understanding, or intellect. It's about one's willingness to jump through hoops. Virtually anyone with the time and money to invest can acquire a Doctorate in something or another. People buy, and cheat thier way through their academic careers just as often as they do thier professional ones. So yeah, I sort of view those who Lord thier education over other's as fragile bullies.
I'm reminded of the story of an anthropologist, Doctor, Author, World Traveller; yet the South American tribes people she lived with and studied for a while pitied her. They regarded her has mentally impaired because she couldn't weave a proper basket. Funny Huh?
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I didn't suggest that the bible offends me, but as a reference in a discussion of Intellect, it seems misplaced. It would be more properly alluded to in a spiritual discussion. As for what some might suggest about the early life of Jesus is itself interesting, it is however not relevant here.
I also attended university and agree that it doesn't nesessarily define intelligence, but we do use it as a frame of reference in this world. As for those who buy, cheat, lie and deceive "Their" way around, yes, it's true and who they are and what their lies are would probably be a great surprise to all. We exist in a dishonest world and that is again another discussion.
I submit that if we can't clearly define intelligence, although I believe we can, we can certainly recognize the absence of it.
To appeal to our American members here on the international forum of CS, in the immortal words of the great Abraham Lincoln,
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."
I also attended university and agree that it doesn't nesessarily define intelligence, but we do use it as a frame of reference in this world. As for those who buy, cheat, lie and deceive "Their" way around, yes, it's true and who they are and what their lies are would probably be a great surprise to all. We exist in a dishonest world and that is again another discussion.
I submit that if we can't clearly define intelligence, although I believe we can, we can certainly recognize the absence of it.
To appeal to our American members here on the international forum of CS, in the immortal words of the great Abraham Lincoln,
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."
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Well..in a new,globalized world,-it seems like evrything we took for granted just a while ago,-ain´t no more....For good or worse,-it remains to be seen..."Classic"knowledge is hardly seen as an asset,-rather something to laugh at....Looking at school-system here in Sweden,-it has dropped,(in many fields),dramatically for the previous 2 decades..Once among top-nations in the world,-now we´re constantly sinking,-if you look at many surveys...Knowledge in math,history,religion,foreign launguages is sometimes catasthrophic...But again,-a new world demands new knowledge...But,-for better or worse...we´ll see the results within a decade.....And,-on the subject of a "new,brave globalized world",-my next thread will hit the decline of culture,-the abandon of classic culture,-replaced by soulless,non-talented,mass-produced crap....Vergilius vs.D.Koontz...G.Dore vs.graffiti.....To sum it up,-lets hear Mr.JS Mill out:-"It´s better to be an unsatisified Sokrates,-than a satisfied fool"....(translation).....
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Grandepensees: That's what I was asking
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Grandepensees: Just as long as you don't propagate like bunnies do I think the US is safe for a while
ah you...you had me laughing out loud, so funny..
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I agree manga, what was once "classic" knowledge has been reduced to something now considered out of fashion or outdated and replaced with the homogeneous mainstream garbage that the West produces as modern culture. It is our responsibility to alter this in what we personally do and what we hold onto as meaningful. It isn't necessary to be considered outdated when wisdom and refinement are themselves timeless. So be a Renaissance man and display to others that you respect your true culture.
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