To love, honor and OBEY??? (55)
Now, Jean, you are just being difficult. 
I think a man would want to have a strong woman who does not always agree or obey. Take a look at the pioneers. She had to shoot right along with him when the family was under attack. If he went out hunting he would want to know that she could take care of the home and defend herself against would be attackers. I know from working in jobs that were times I was left in charge. They held me accountable. This makes me think of Adam and Eve. She gave me the apple. So that makes her responsible for you eating it? Then the same question again to Eve. The serpent gave it to me. Then to the serpent. I know you are bad. I already kicked you out of hell and here you are starting the same stuff all over, again. I can't turn my back on you for a minute. (Paraphrasing)
I think a man would want to have a strong woman who does not always agree or obey. Take a look at the pioneers. She had to shoot right along with him when the family was under attack. If he went out hunting he would want to know that she could take care of the home and defend herself against would be attackers. I know from working in jobs that were times I was left in charge. They held me accountable. This makes me think of Adam and Eve. She gave me the apple. So that makes her responsible for you eating it? Then the same question again to Eve. The serpent gave it to me. Then to the serpent. I know you are bad. I already kicked you out of hell and here you are starting the same stuff all over, again. I can't turn my back on you for a minute. (Paraphrasing)------ This thread is Archived ------
"Do you promise to love, honor and obey...." hmm...the husband was not asked the same thing. wonder why...
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LOL...You stinker..lol
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This reminds me of a lot of documents. Who is the head of the house?
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Now, Jean, you are just being difficult.
No, I'm not, but if you think I'm difficult..maybe you shouldn't strain yourself so much by reading my posts..;-) hehehe
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I think a man would want to have a strong woman who does not always agree or obey.
Does not ALWAYS? How about does not EVER??? Obey, I mean. Agreeing, of course, is not obeying, necessarily.
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Take a look at the pioneers.
Okie dokie.
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She had to shoot right along with him when the family was under attack. If he went out hunting he would want to know that she could take care of the home and defend herself against would be attackers.
Okay. I didn't say women DID obey, I said it was absurd to EXPECT them to obey, or to have to promise to obey.
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I know from working in jobs that were times I was left in charge.
BTDT.
They held me accountable.
Ditto.
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This makes me think of Adam and Eve.
Why? Did you work for Apple?
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She gave me the apple.
Really? I thought she gave Adam the apple.
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So that makes her responsible for you eating it?
I didn't eat it! She gave it to YOU, remember???
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Then the same question again to Eve. The serpent gave it to me. Then to the serpent. I know you are bad. I already kicked you out of hell and here you are starting the same stuff all over, again. I can't turn my back on you for a minute. (Paraphrasing)
Uh huh...this is very entertaining..but...it's relevant to the discussion....how, exactly?
No, I'm not, but if you think I'm difficult..maybe you shouldn't strain yourself so much by reading my posts..;-) hehehe
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I think a man would want to have a strong woman who does not always agree or obey.
Does not ALWAYS? How about does not EVER??? Obey, I mean. Agreeing, of course, is not obeying, necessarily.
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Take a look at the pioneers.
Okie dokie.
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She had to shoot right along with him when the family was under attack. If he went out hunting he would want to know that she could take care of the home and defend herself against would be attackers.
Okay. I didn't say women DID obey, I said it was absurd to EXPECT them to obey, or to have to promise to obey.
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I know from working in jobs that were times I was left in charge.
BTDT.
They held me accountable.
Ditto.
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This makes me think of Adam and Eve.
Why? Did you work for Apple?
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She gave me the apple.
Really? I thought she gave Adam the apple.
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So that makes her responsible for you eating it?
I didn't eat it! She gave it to YOU, remember???
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Then the same question again to Eve. The serpent gave it to me. Then to the serpent. I know you are bad. I already kicked you out of hell and here you are starting the same stuff all over, again. I can't turn my back on you for a minute. (Paraphrasing)
Uh huh...this is very entertaining..but...it's relevant to the discussion....how, exactly?
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I disagree alot of religions expect obedience in its natural form to the husband!!!!
There is what is called the "God Head"
The order is:
God
Husband
Wife
Children
All are to submit and be obedient, with the husband being the head of the household and making all the decisions..the wife can have input....but the husband has the final say!!!!!!!
There is what is called the "God Head"
The order is:
God
Husband
Wife
Children
All are to submit and be obedient, with the husband being the head of the household and making all the decisions..the wife can have input....but the husband has the final say!!!!!!!
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We are responsible for our own actions.
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Not in my house he wouldn't..not unless I agreed with him, of course.
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Exactly...I was pointing out that the word "obedience" has not been misconstrued, but is actually expected in what they call the order of the "Godhead" in some religions!!!
Not in mine either!!!!!!
Not in mine either!!!!!!
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I also asked to have it removed. But the man that we had marrying us told me something to that effect. Even went so far as to show it to me. But don't ask where it was. That was in the mid nineties. So, I left it in there. Besides that, my man knew the bounderies as did I know his.
I'm not as hard core as some. I am proud to have my man want to feel like my protector, as well as special. I also liked to do special things just for him. Therefore I (he) wanted for nothing. It always helped our marriages work for the good of the union. Don't get me wrong, I will not be brow beat. But, my man will not be p---- whipped either. We tried for 100/100. None of this 50/50 crap.
I'm not as hard core as some. I am proud to have my man want to feel like my protector, as well as special. I also liked to do special things just for him. Therefore I (he) wanted for nothing. It always helped our marriages work for the good of the union. Don't get me wrong, I will not be brow beat. But, my man will not be p---- whipped either. We tried for 100/100. None of this 50/50 crap.
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i will "LOVE" "RESPECT" and "TAKE SUGGESTIONS"
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Around here, they like to use "Love, Honor, and Cherish" as opposed to 'obey'. I agree that obey used in that way is pushing it more than a little bit, especially with the way that society has evolved in massive ways since the inception of the phrase.
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it seems that "not in my house he wouldn't" is a defacto edict that he is to "obey"....is it not?
as for the word "obey"......while it is true that extreme ugly definitions can be ascertained.....
the word derives from common sense and civility.
Geez, every day most people drive to work. During which time we obey the rules of the road, practicle sense and the law.
when you go to Starbucks to get coffee, you obey the rules of society and wait our turn in line.
what is being accomplished by taking a single word and applying the most extreme definition....other than to "create" a conflict.
I see no beneficial purpose whatsoever.
• behave in accordance with (a general principle, natural law, etc.) : the universe was complex but it obeyed certain rules
With so much conflict in our lives that comes along....why find the conflict in the benign unless it is imposed upon you?
Yes, I agree nobody should be treated as inferior. At the same time seeking out situations and opportunities to "test" another by demanding they define their position on topics that are not even an issue between that person and you, is not right either.
in my humble opinion
as for the word "obey"......while it is true that extreme ugly definitions can be ascertained.....
the word derives from common sense and civility.
Geez, every day most people drive to work. During which time we obey the rules of the road, practicle sense and the law.
when you go to Starbucks to get coffee, you obey the rules of society and wait our turn in line.
what is being accomplished by taking a single word and applying the most extreme definition....other than to "create" a conflict.
I see no beneficial purpose whatsoever.
• behave in accordance with (a general principle, natural law, etc.) : the universe was complex but it obeyed certain rules
With so much conflict in our lives that comes along....why find the conflict in the benign unless it is imposed upon you?
Yes, I agree nobody should be treated as inferior. At the same time seeking out situations and opportunities to "test" another by demanding they define their position on topics that are not even an issue between that person and you, is not right either.
in my humble opinion
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No, it's not an edict that he has to "obey," because it would be a moot point. If a man thought he had the right to tell me what to do, he wouldn't be with me in the first place.
Common sense and civility and obeying laws and so forth apply to both genders.
In the marriage vows, it is only the woman who is supposed to "obey" her husband. And that just "ain't" gonna happen. Not gan'doit. Woudn't be prudent at this ... juncture.
Common sense and civility and obeying laws and so forth apply to both genders.
In the marriage vows, it is only the woman who is supposed to "obey" her husband. And that just "ain't" gonna happen. Not gan'doit. Woudn't be prudent at this ... juncture.
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Maybe if we are both wearing whips chains at the altar...Otherwise na ...
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I remember watching this little documentary on Discovery where a Private Investigator was hired to document someone’s husband at someone else wedding. Well, as this PI was taking pictures he noticed the bride going out in the hallway with the best man at the reception and giving him a BJ. I would say the whole, “Love honor and obey” thing has a slightly different meaning to that bride.
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Maybe that was her last-minute bachelorette party?
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Wouldn't be prudent at this ,,, juncture? Isn't that beating aroung the Bush?
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I don't believe that obey has anything to do with keeping one out of trouble (as I interpreted the example to mean) - if they dig their hole, let them lay in it.