How legal is the Legacy of Israel? ( Locked) (301)

Nov 23, 2010 3:29 AM CST How legal is the Legacy of Israel?
mikygr: My exact thread in here is about HOW it came to this Legacy and I'm not gonna talk about your religion believes, or about "regardless your stuff", look "how lucky the world should be to have voted for it". Its up to you to create another Thread with titles like that.
rolling on the floor laughing
Really doesn't matter how you cut it!laugh
Fact are Facts,and you ain't got them!
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Nov 23, 2010 3:30 AM CST How legal is the Legacy of Israel?
Boban1
Boban1Boban1bigplace, Central Serbia Serbia144 Threads 5 Polls 18,789 Posts
bad2good: The Bible says, bless Israel and you will be blessed, curse them and you will be cursed.

take a wild guess, who wrote the bible.....giggle
Let`s try a new concept ... abolish the existence of all states and all borders ...yay
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Nov 23, 2010 3:31 AM CST How legal is the Legacy of Israel?
Conrad73: Really doesn't matter how you cut it!
Fact are Facts,and you ain't got them!
and your Conspiracy-Sites ain't got them either!
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Nov 23, 2010 3:31 AM CST How legal is the Legacy of Israel?
Boban1: take a wild guess, who wrote the bible.....
Let`s try a new concept ... abolish the existence of all states and all borders ...
Boban wants to roam again.grin peace
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Nov 23, 2010 3:35 AM CST How legal is the Legacy of Israel?
THE REAL ROOT CAUSE

The entire biblical Land of Israel, including pre-1967 Israel (i.e., Israel within its 1949 armistice demarcation lines, constituting 17% of Mandatory Palestine) and post-1967 Israel (i.e., Judea, Samaria, the eastern portion of Jerusalem, and Gaza, constituting 5% of Mandatory Palestine; and the Golan Heights, constituting 1% of Mandatory Palestine), aggregately constituting 23% of Mandatory Palestine, belongs exclusively to the Jewish people, despite the fact that Arabs -- rather than Jews -- presently constitute the overwhelming majority of the population in the post-1967 areas of biblical Israel (except for the eastern portion of Jerusalem where Arabs form only a slight majority and the Golan Heights where Jews form a slight majority). However, for purposes of this essay only, I have taken the liberty of ahistorically (1) positing the existence of a "Palestinian" people ethnically distinct from the masses of Arabs clans ranging through 21 Arab countries from Mauritania in the East to Oman in the West, and (2) treating these post-1967 areas of biblical Israel (sans the Golan Heights) as the World views them, namely, as "Occupied Territories" which belong to the “Palestinian” people.

The Arab nations and numerous philo-Arab pundits routinely assert that the present Arab war of terror against Israel and the Jewish people results from Israel's military occupation, since the 1967 Six Day War, of these "Palestinian" lands. The "Occupation" is, accordingly, ubiquitously proclaimed to be the "Root Cause" of the Arab-Jewish conflict -- the alleged reason being that a military occupation always incites the occupied people to perpetrate acts of violent resistance against their occupiers. Yet, if this be true, then why is it that the illegal military occupations, from 1948 to 1967, of these very areas by Jordan (as to Judea, Samaria, and the eastern portion of Jerusalem) and by Egypt (as to Gaza) did not result in any "Palestinian" uprising against either of these foreign occupiers during those long 19 years? In fact, the Arabs of Judea, Samaria, and the eastern portion of Jerusalem, after having emphatically insisted that they were “southern Syrians” prior to Israel’s 1948 War of Independence, supinely accepted that they were “Jordanians” from 1948 to 1967, only to assert their identity as “Palestinians” after Israel’s capture of these territories in the Six Day War.

Furthermore, in light of the fact that the Palestine Liberation Organization was created in 1964 -- a full three years before Israel acquired the "Occupied Territories" from Jordan and Egypt -- it is more than obvious that this entity’s raison d'être was never the liberation of these not-as-yet-acquired lands, but rather the "liberation" (i.e., destruction) of Israel within its 1949 armistice demarcation lines.

Moreover, the military campaign, in 1967, by the Arab World to destroy Israel within its 1949 armistice demarcation lines cannot logically be asserted to have been caused by the subsequent results of that very war, namely, Israel's acquisition of the "Occupied Territories" of 1967.

And neither can it be credibly asserted that the prior invasion, in 1948, of Israel within the even more restrictive 1947 United Nations partition plan lines by six Arab states -- namely, Lebanon, Syria, Transjordan (precursor to Jordan), Egypt, Iraq and Saudi Arabia, in the process of which two of them, Transjordan and Egypt, conquered and illegally occupied, respectively, the areas of Judea, Samaria and the eastern portion of Jerusalem, and of Gaza -- was caused by Israel's future acquisition, in 1967, of these very same "Occupied Territories". rolling on the floor laughing
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Nov 23, 2010 3:36 AM CST How legal is the Legacy of Israel?
In fact, although United Nations General Assembly Resolution no. 181, issued November 29, 1947, commonly known as the "Palestine Partition Plan" -- which called for the termination of the Mandate for Palestine and, inter alia, for the creation in its place of an independent "Palestinian" Jewish state (comprised of 3 small barely-adjoined cantons, constituting almost 11% of Mandatory Palestine) and an independent "Palestinian" Arab state (comprised mostly of the "Occupied Territories" of 1967, constituting almost 11% of Mandatory Palestine) -- would have carved out from Mandatory Palestine a second "Palestinian" Arab state (after Transjordan, constituting 77% of Mandatory Palestine, which was created in 1922 from virtually all of Mandatory Palestine situated east of the Jordan River), and although the Jewish leadership of Mandatory Palestine accepted the Resolution, the Arab leadership of Mandatory Palestine (as well as all of the Arab and Muslim countries which were then members of the U.N., namely, Afghanistan, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey and Yemen) rejected the Resolution -- by both declaration and conduct. The violent response of the "Palestinian" Arabs and the surrounding Arab countries to the passage of the Resolution, which culminated in their 1948 invasion of Israel within its 1947 partition plan lines, sealed Arab rejection of a "Palestinian" state upon the very lands which were, decades later, to become known as the "Occupied Territories" of 1967.

Obviously, the real and only Root Cause of the conflict was, is, and always will be the unified Arab rejection of the existence of a Jewish nation-state in any portion of the biblical Land of Israel -- even within the 11% of Mandatory Palestine allotted to the Jewish people by virtue of the Palestine Partition Plan.

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Nov 23, 2010 3:38 AM CST How legal is the Legacy of Israel?
However, notwithstanding the foregoing Truth, Israel initiated the 1993 Oslo Accords based upon its pollyannish assumption that, by unilaterally transferring portions of the "Occupied Territories" (namely, the 8 main Arab-populated cities of Judea and Samaria -- Jericho, Jenin, Nablus, Ramallah, Kalkilya, Tulkarm, Bethlehem and 80% of Hebron -- together with hundreds of their satellite villages plus virtually all of the Arab-populated areas of Gaza) to the "Palestinian" Arabs pending the negotiation of an end-of-the-conflict peace treaty, the Jewish State would be able to prove to the Arab world that -- even in the absence of having yet concluded with the "Palestinian" Arabs a final peace treaty -- it nonetheless actually intended to end the "Occupation" and would, thereby, be able to dissolve any further "justification" for the continuing Arab war of annihilation against it. Pursuant to the Olso Accords, by the end of 1995, Israel had withdrawn itself, in phases, from 42% of Judea and Samaria and 80% of Gaza with the result that 98% of the Arab population of the former and virtually 100% of the Arab population of the latter were then being governed, not by Israel, but rather by the Palestinian Authority headed by Palestine Liberation Organization chairman Yasser Arafat. Yet, despite -- or, more accurately, due to -- Israel's substantial withdrawals from the "Occupied Territories", by the latter part of 2001 substantially more Israelis had been murdered and maimed by Arab terrorists in the 8 years subsequent to the advent of the Oslo Accords than in the four decades prior thereto. This happened only because -- with autonomous territorial bases on pre-1967 Israel's doorstep with which to indoctrinate a generation of Arab youth in the religious and irredentist justifications for the murder of Jews, and with which to build the mortar, rocket and suicide-belt factories necessary for the implementation thereof -- the "Palestinian" Arabs were able, not only to continue, but to exponentially increase the lethality of their pre-Oslo Accords war of attrition (commenced in 1987 and denominated by the international media as the “First Intifada”) against the Jewish State, the intensity of which spiked in September 2000 (denominated by the international media as the “Second Intifada” or the “Aksa Intifada”), and has continued unabated, at that level, until this very Day.
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Nov 23, 2010 3:42 AM CST How legal is the Legacy of Israel?
mikygr
mikygrmikygrNextToYou, South Aegean Greece8 Threads 2 Polls 575 Posts
Boban1: take a wild guess, who wrote the bible.....
Let`s try a new concept ... abolish the existence of all states and all borders ...


Depending on which bible he refers to, its even more than that
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Nov 23, 2010 3:45 AM CST How legal is the Legacy of Israel?
mikygr: Depending on which bible he refers to, its even more than that
Who is referring to What Bible?rolling on the floor laughing
Trying to make it a Religious Issue at any Cost,do you?laugh
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Nov 23, 2010 3:45 AM CST How legal is the Legacy of Israel?
mikygr
mikygrmikygrNextToYou, South Aegean Greece8 Threads 2 Polls 575 Posts
bad2good: The Bible says, bless Israel and you will be blessed, curse them and you will be cursed.

I like to be "cursed"...
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Nov 23, 2010 3:48 AM CST How legal is the Legacy of Israel?
mikygr: 3. THE 181 RESOLUTION BY UN

In this matter, first I will only copy the relevant Wiki articles in short (means without foot-notes, which, however, are very interesting to read):

“Prior to the final vote, when countries indicated their voting intentions, it was evident that the required majority was not available. The vote would have been: for 30, against 16, abstaining 10 - one short of a two-thirds majority. Both sides put pressure on member countries to vote for or against the partition.”

“President Truman later noted, "The facts were that not only were there pressure movements around the United Nations unlike anything that had been seen there before, but that the White House, too, was subjected to a constant barrage. I do not think I ever had as much pressure and propaganda aimed at the White House as I had in this instance. The persistence of a few of the extreme Zionist leaders — actuated by political motives and engaging in political threats — disturbed and annoyed me."

“Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru spoke with anger and contempt for the way the UN vote had been lined up. He said the Zionists had tried to bribe India with millions and at the same time his sister, Vijayalalshmi Pandit, had received daily warnings that her life was in danger unless "she voted right". Three countries — Haiti, Liberia, the Philippines — were persuaded to change their positions, which enabled the required majority to be reached.”

It is given that most UN countries have questioned about the legacy of the Balfour-Declaration as a base for a vote.

It is also given, that before that, both, the Zionist- and the Arab- League refused the partition plan of the British, wherein a Jewish state would consist of about 15% of the land of Palestina, given that Palestina Protectorate consisted to more than 95% of different Arab ethnics.

It’s also given, that the Arabs became worried about the increasing illegal immigration of Jews before, during and after WWII. However, the new partition plan which finally broke through the UN, foreseen some 60% of former Palestine Protectorate to be the new Jewish State, with boarders that necessarily would lead to a mass exodus of Arabs.



OWN QUOTE CONSISTS ONLY OF SOME VERY SPEZIFIC QUESTIONS:

- Can a Quen’s consent of a - however strong country that time - but 93 years ago now, be the legal and undouptfull base for votes in international institutions?
- Is a “national home” equal with a souvereign State ?
- Why did British encourage the Arab league to not agree even with the first, moderate partition plan, while the Palestinian league did agree?
- What were (and are) the “Jewish Zionist aspirations” exactly?
- What influence has the Rothshield Imperium in the UN and IMF today?
- UN is still a paper tiger due to its constitution, most country just have to obey. So why do many people in here think to kick out this “useless monster which only cost”, and not thinking about restructuring the monster? Do we have another pot for building worlwide opinions and taking common decisions? Is it maybe the even bigger monster called “security council”?
- Does anyone in here believes that a 2-State solution will lead to a long lasting freedom in the Mideast region? This was in no way mentionted in the Balfour-Declaration, however it was boxed through the National League and UN thereafter.
Heavy,and so transparent!uh oh
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Nov 23, 2010 4:03 AM CST How legal is the Legacy of Israel?
bad2good
bad2goodbad2goodBaltimore, Maryland USA33 Posts
Boban1: take a wild guess, who wrote the bible.....
Let`s try a new concept ... abolish the existence of all states and all borders ...


Jesus Christ, last time I checked.
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Nov 23, 2010 4:12 AM CST How legal is the Legacy of Israel?
Boban1
Boban1Boban1bigplace, Central Serbia Serbia144 Threads 5 Polls 18,789 Posts
bad2good: Jesus Christ, last time I checked.


So... when was the last time you checked???....grin
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Nov 23, 2010 4:20 AM CST How legal is the Legacy of Israel?
bad2good
bad2goodbad2goodBaltimore, Maryland USA33 Posts
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
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Nov 23, 2010 5:14 AM CST How legal is the Legacy of Israel?
Wow_Factor
Wow_FactorWow_FactorLondon, Greater London, England UK45 Threads 3,698 Posts
The Jewish people have the right to a country which was promised to them and in which they can live in peace. They have been persecuted for thousands of years and they need a country in which they can feel safe and yes, if you want to bring the bible into it, they need their promised country.

Mikgr, you say you want to be cursed. Well, my man, you will get your wish one day since you have shown your anti-semetic character on many occasions on CS and in many posts.

Last night on BBC television, the Panorama programme showed how in muslim schools in the UK are indoctrinating the children there to hate Jews and teaching the children to consider Jews as "dogs and pigs."

Jews want to live in peace but constantly receive hate and threats of war.

They need to live in safety in their legal country of Israel.

Here is the programme, and if you hate the Jews and let Islam take over, believe me you will regret it that will be the curse.


Am Yisrael Chai!


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Nov 23, 2010 5:15 AM CST How legal is the Legacy of Israel?
Wow_Factor
Wow_FactorWow_FactorLondon, Greater London, England UK45 Threads 3,698 Posts
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Nov 23, 2010 5:48 AM CST How legal is the Legacy of Israel?
mikygr
mikygrmikygrNextToYou, South Aegean Greece8 Threads 2 Polls 575 Posts
Wow_Factor: The Jewish people have the right to a country which was promised to them and in which they can live in peace. They have been persecuted for thousands of years and they need a country in which they can feel safe and yes, if you want to bring the bible into it, they need their promised country.

Mikgr, you say you want to be cursed. Well, my man, you will get your wish one day since you have shown your anti-semetic character on many occasions on CS and in many posts.

Last night on BBC television, the Panorama programme showed how in muslim schools in the UK are indoctrinating the children there to hate Jews and teaching the children to consider Jews as "dogs and pigs."

Jews want to live in peace but constantly receive hate and threats of war.

They need to live in safety in their legal country of Israel.

Here is the programme, and if you hate the Jews and let Islam take over, believe me you will regret it that will be the curse.Am Yisrael Chai!


Try to be exact in your thinking. I posted a very exact Thread and some questions. Now to the underlined of your post:

- I wish Jewish people to sattle down and be happy with their religion and their neighbours.
- I never posted a religious issue in here, but as a polite man I am, I answer even to totally irrelevant remarks in here
- And as I LOVE humor, its my right to answer "Ok, I like to be cursed"

Don't confuse things. It was my father saving 8 Jews in WWII, not yours. Concentrate to my Threath if you like, but be exact please. My Thread in here has nothing to do with Religions or Ethnics.
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Nov 23, 2010 5:54 AM CST How legal is the Legacy of Israel?
, it is noteworthy that the post-Oslo Accords portion of this war of attrition was waged against Israel in violation of the Palestinian Liberation Organization’s solemn renunciation of its self-perceived “right” to perpetuate terrorism and other acts of violence against the Jewish State. Below is the full text of that renunciation:



September 9, 1993

Yitzhak Rabin

Prime Minister of Israel



Mr. Prime Minister,

The signing of the Declaration of Principles marks a new era in the history of the Middle East. In firm conviction thereof, I would like to confirm the following PLO commitments:

The PLO recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security.

The PLO accepts United Nations Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338.

The PLO commits itself to the Middle East peace process, and to a peaceful resolution of the conflict between the two sides and declares that all outstanding issues relating to permanent status will be resolved through negotiations.

The PLO considers that the signing of the Declaration of Principles constitutes a historic event, inaugurating a new epoch of peaceful coexistence, free from violence and all other acts which endanger peace and stability. Accordingly, the PLO renounces the use of terrorism and other acts of violence and will assume responsibility over all PLO elements and personnel in order to assure their compliance, prevent violations and discipline violators.

In view of the promise of a new era and the signing of the Declaration of Principles and based on Palestinian acceptance of Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338, the PLO affirms that those articles of the Palestinian Covenant which deny Israel's right to exist, and the provisions of the Covenant which are inconsistent with the commitments of this letter are now inoperative and no longer valid. Consequently, the PLO undertakes to submit to the Palestinian National Council for formal approval the necessary changes in regard to the Palestinian Covenant.



Sincerely,

Yasser Arafat

Chairman

The Palestine Liberation Organization



all a goddamn Lie!
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Nov 23, 2010 5:54 AM CST How legal is the Legacy of Israel?
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
mikygr: I like to be "cursed"...
Specially when the end receiver is a small group of Isreali living on their ancient homeland of Israel.
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Nov 23, 2010 5:58 AM CST How legal is the Legacy of Israel?
In July 2000, Israel had already offered to the Palestinian Authority -- during the United States-sponsored negotiations at Camp David, Maryland -- a sovereign state in slightly over 90% of the "Occupied Territories". However, the Palestinian Authority rejected this offer by both word and deed, the latter manifestation of which took the form of a dramatic increase in Arab terror on Rosh HaShana in September 2000 (under the initial pretense that a visit to the public plaza atop the Temple Mount by an Israeli parliamentary delegation led by then opposition leader Ariel Sharon had "spontaneously" provoked the "Arab street"). In December 2000, in a final effort to alleviate the feigned "Root Cause" of the conflict, the United States proposed its own end-of-the-conflict peace plan whereby a "Palestinian" Arab state -- the 22nd Arab state -- would be created by taking 95% of the "Occupied Territories", together with certain additional land (which would be annexed to Gaza) inside pre-1967 Israel equivalent to another 2% thereof, for a total of 97% of the land area plus all of the Arab-occupied neighborhoods in the eastern portion of Jerusalem and the entire Temple Mount (thereby necessitating the uprooting of more than 100 Jewish communities from Judea, Samaria and Gaza). However, the U.S. plan also required that the "Palestinian" Arabs waive any further territorial or other claims against Israel, including the pan-Arab demand for a “Palestinian” Arab "right of return" to the State of Israel (which demand seeks to demographically unmake Israel by forcing it to repatriate those Arab belligerents and their families who fled the Jewish State during its 1948 War of Independence as well as their multigenerational descendants -- presently aggregating to approximately 4,300,000 hostile revanchists and irredentists -- in hopes of converting Israel from the only Jewish nation-state into the 23rd Arab one).


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