The " Monster" We Create.... ( Archived) (30)

Sep 28, 2006 8:01 AM CST The " Monster" We Create....
wikked
wikkedwikkedAjax, Ontario Canada655 Threads 4 Polls 6,091 Posts
I am a firm believer in men and women getting the "partners" they create...

Relationships and how you are treated within that relationship are "learned" behaviours...

Do you agree or disagree...and what is your experience with this?
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Sep 28, 2006 8:05 AM CST The " Monster" We Create....
Assets52
Assets52Assets52Littleton, New Hampshire USA125 Threads 2,174 Posts
My ex was abusive. He did not learn that in our 10 years together. He brought that behavior into the marriage with him.
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Sep 28, 2006 8:06 AM CST The " Monster" We Create....
stratis
stratisstratisAthens, Attica Greece21 Threads 285 Posts
I strongly believe (and this lead to many quarrels with my friends) that each one of us is responsible of what kind of person they attract or being attract...i know it sounds a bit cruel but its been proved many times...ofcourse,the exact time we're "hit" with interest many things can happening to our lives effecting our decisions...but there's always a moment of clear thinking when we should be honest with ourselves...professor
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Sep 28, 2006 8:07 AM CST The " Monster" We Create....
stratis
stratisstratisAthens, Attica Greece21 Threads 285 Posts
attracted...
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Sep 28, 2006 8:07 AM CST The " Monster" We Create....
stratis
stratisstratisAthens, Attica Greece21 Threads 285 Posts
be happeninglaugh
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Sep 28, 2006 8:11 AM CST The " Monster" We Create....
optimystic
optimysticoptimysticIn, Washington USA10 Threads 327 Posts
The only way I would agree with this is if you were only talking about those in very long term relationships. In cases like that, you do learn the other's likes and dislikes, and accommodate/work around them.
As far as other relationships are concerned, I disagree completely. People come into relationships with their own baggage, and frequently EXPECT the other to accommodate it, which causes friction. Also, (considering all the fakes and liars) I don't think that anyone should be blamed for the deceit of another.
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Sep 28, 2006 8:16 AM CST The " Monster" We Create....
wikked
wikkedwikkedAjax, Ontario Canada655 Threads 4 Polls 6,091 Posts
I think we are thinking the same thing here...

For example...my neighbour whom i have been "best friends" with for the past 7 years and watched her go through confronting women because she thought they were "after her husband" (and yes she had every reason to believe that...it was true..), however she never dealt with the problem "at hand"...which was HER HUSBAND...so in effect, in my opinion, she taught him that no matter how much he cheated she would "forgive and forget"...

And because it has gotten worse over the years...I am no longer her "best friend" because to make her happy (and comfortable) I never step inside her house, never call over there...and stay out of the "range" of her husband...because she felt he was attracted to me..
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Sep 28, 2006 8:24 AM CST The " Monster" We Create....
stratis
stratisstratisAthens, Attica Greece21 Threads 285 Posts
this shows how a good friendship fails due to freaky obsessions and lack of wisdom....scold thumbs down toobad ursilla...
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Sep 28, 2006 8:37 AM CST The " Monster" We Create....
wikked
wikkedwikkedAjax, Ontario Canada655 Threads 4 Polls 6,091 Posts
Stratis you need to be giving up your name too!
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Sep 28, 2006 8:37 AM CST The " Monster" We Create....
Assets52
Assets52Assets52Littleton, New Hampshire USA125 Threads 2,174 Posts
I don't think she created a cheating husband, however, since she has allowed it to continue, she has played a part in it getting worse over the years.

In my situation, if I could have done something to change his abusive behavior, I would still be with him.
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Sep 28, 2006 8:40 AM CST The " Monster" We Create....
wikked
wikkedwikkedAjax, Ontario Canada655 Threads 4 Polls 6,091 Posts
When it happened for the "first" time...(first that she knows i suppose) they had agreed to go to marriage counselling...she's the one that turned the car around and came home (cancelled the appt) to me that says she's not ready to "deal" with it...or couldn't..or whatever...but i do think what it said in loud and clear words to him, is that she was going to "put up with it"...and once you give over in those areas..they cannot be retrieved at a later date...

It was "ground" lost to her...
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Sep 28, 2006 9:03 AM CST The " Monster" We Create....
I agree with this to a certain extent, but not entirely. I read people pretty well, I think, but it's not always easy to discern a liar from one who is telling the truth, especially if they can do it without batting an eyelash, so to speak. It's not until after the relationship has been under way for a while, sometimes, that you realize what you've "gotten yourself into."

I have never been what I'd call "naive," but, since being honest is a natural trait for me, for the longest time I just presumed that most people were honest. I thought only really really "bad" people were dishonest. So I tended to take someone at their word until or unless I had reason to believe otherwise.

Now, sadly, I can't seem to do that anymore. I've been lied to so much that, if anything, I have a "yeah, yeah, whatever" or "I'll believe it when I see it" attitude. That's what happens when you get burned so much.

So, I don't think it's so much being attracted to a certain kind of person as it is that the kind of person you're attracted to just simply doesn't exist anymore -- or is so rare, anyway, that it's like looking for a needle in a haystack.

blues
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Sep 28, 2006 9:05 AM CST The " Monster" We Create....
highplains
highplainshighplainsHighland Springs, Virginia USA127 Threads 4,288 Posts
I think we are attracted to an ideal...in our minds....and we settle often for someone that presents us with that "ideal"....whether it's a game face or not...most times we don't see until we have decided whether to make that person a part of our lives.
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Sep 28, 2006 9:10 AM CST The " Monster" We Create....
This does happen, but I don't have any preconceived "ideals." I mean, not for any "fairybook prince" type of man, anyway.

I fully realize and accept that people have faults; Lord knows I do. But I will NOT put up with a liar, under any circumstances. Integrity is a HUGE deal to me and I've settled for men who have no integrity far too many times in my life. I simply won't do it anymore.

I settled because I was too impatient to wait, because I thought I couldn't do any better, or for a number of reasons, and I was absolutey MISERABLE. As much as I want someone in my life, I've come to realize that I'm much happier being by myself than I am with a man whom I cannot trust.
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Sep 28, 2006 10:09 AM CST The " Monster" We Create....
highplains
highplainshighplainsHighland Springs, Virginia USA127 Threads 4,288 Posts
Touche.....all valid points....all acceptable...but seldom attainable.
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Sep 28, 2006 10:13 AM CST The " Monster" We Create....
wikked
wikkedwikkedAjax, Ontario Canada655 Threads 4 Polls 6,091 Posts
..."I settled because I was too impatient to wait, because I thought I couldn't do any better, or for a number of reasons, and I was absolutey MISERABLE. "....

Been there done that...and no one to blame but myself..sigh blues
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Sep 28, 2006 10:15 AM CST The " Monster" We Create....
wikked
wikkedwikkedAjax, Ontario Canada655 Threads 4 Polls 6,091 Posts
..." think it's sometimes a game but I also think it involves other things. People take too much for granted. I can't speak for how women do, but I know that with some men, it's all about the thrill of the chase or whatever it is. Once he "gets" you, his ego has been fed and then he moves on to his next "conquest."..."

Been exposed to this one more times than i care to count...sure does make "moving on" harder hmmmm...

And in this instance "this guy" gets the woman the "last guy" created...
blues
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Sep 28, 2006 10:16 AM CST The " Monster" We Create....
starliteisbrite
starliteisbritestarliteisbriteThe planet earth....:), Ontario Canada56 Threads 7,327 Posts
We are in control only of are own behaviour.I only take resposibiltiy for my mistakes,not any others.......
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Sep 28, 2006 11:45 AM CST The " Monster" We Create....
Yes, it does make moving on harder, and EVERY time, without fail, the guy will say, "But I'm not like all the other guys!" I've found that statement to be a huge red flag. Because what I've found out is, those guys who say they're not like all the other guys are more like other guys than the other guys are like the other guys. Or something like that.

hehehe
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Sep 28, 2006 12:07 PM CST The " Monster" We Create....
fireliter
fireliterfireliterAllen Park, Michigan USA502 Threads 14 Polls 5,902 Posts
we can lead them.... but it is of their own choosing to accept/adopt a behavoir that makes us happy. Myself I do not want my next longterm relationship to be all "Oh me too" or "thats exactly what i think/feel" crappola. "yes" people can be found at work. I like complexities it makes for more interesting and attracting Rarely will i go and see the same movie over and over again, which probably explains my lack of
drive or desire to quickly recommit to another woman...but thats just me i reckon. Change/adaptability is a major ingredient in my relationships like adjusting to someones use of garlic when cooking....sounds like a small matter to some it may be it the little adaptations we all make that ensure the possibility of a LTR.

Monsters yeah they could/can be COOL especially those that have moments of independent thought.grin

just my opinion
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