Trealach01: They'd have a tough job participating any further - they all died in the plane crash. If America want's to win friends and influence people ..... then stay the hell out of other countries affairs and politics - or suffer the consequences - America's opinion is irrelevant. Since America is so deep into espionage in other countries, then perhaps Europe and Arabic countries should treat all American tourists as 'spies' and incarcerate them in Auswitch, without trial or rights, until the US desists from it's espionage activities, after all Europe and the Arabic countries have the right to defend themselves against such outrageous activities.
You have a right to your opinion. And between your opinion and America's opinion, guess which one is TRULY inconsequential.
Colleene1024: So, once an individual is captured and brought to the countries own soil that was under attack, should they be given the Habeous Corpus right?
Sorry Collene I don't see the point.
If an individual is captured in a war he/she may be taken and held as a POW.Then held as according to the Geneva convention. Questioning them according to the Geneva convention by all means.
But, the Rendition of non combatants and often innocent folk is wrong.
Hold them until cleared in the country the were captured and then release or jail them according to the law of the country concerned.
Colleene1024OPWest Warwick, Rhode Island USA1,225 posts
mastic55: Detaining it's "Citizens" should not apply to immigration because they are not citizens.
Via legal precedent, Habeas Corpus protections extend to foreign nationals detained in the US. Furthermore, to focus solely on the immigration status and purported guilt of suspected terrorists ignore the fact that Habeas Corpus exists to protect us all. Eliminating the rights for “bad people” necessarily eliminates them for the innocent as well.
gleneagle: Of course when John Walker joined the Taliban the United States was not at war with them. Just to clear a point in my mind;Did the US actually declare war?
Declarations of war aren't usually done any more, nor are they a necessary protocol. I did a little looking into this some time ago and there haven't been any "declarations of war" in quite some time even though there have certainly been wars and the wars would have been governed by the Geneva convention regardless.
Colleene1024OPWest Warwick, Rhode Island USA1,225 posts
patmac: Sorry Collene I don't see the point.
If an individual is captured in a war he/she may be taken and held as a POW.Then held as according to the Geneva convention. Questioning them according to the Geneva convention by all means.
But, the Rendition of non combatants and often innocent folk is wrong.
Hold them until cleared in the country the were captured and then release or jail them according to the law of the country concerned.
That is the only decent and fair way to do it.
So, is a terrorist consdered a war participant or a non combatant?
Colleene1024OPWest Warwick, Rhode Island USA1,225 posts
mastic55: A terrorist should have no rights, just a right to die.
Here is a really good question for everyone.....
Those terrorists who are adults also have children. They drill all this religious stuff in their heads that makes them terrorists. What should happen to the children if they were cought along with the adults?
Colleene1024: Here is a really good question for everyone.....Those terrorists who are adults also have children. They drill all this religious stuff in their heads that makes them terrorists. What should happen to the children if they were cought along with the adults?
The day Kennedy took office, America changed in the wrong direction.Guy's like Ike knew how to run a country.But the country was too young to know better......No way would the old America vote for a prisdent who said"I didn't inheal". I know I'am crazy, but I know in my mind I'am right.
gardenhackle: Declarations of war aren't usually done any more, nor are they a necessary protocol. I did a little looking into this some time ago and there haven't been any "declarations of war" in quite some time even though there have certainly been wars and the wars would have been governed by the Geneva convention regardless.
I think that it require the approval of congress thus the reluctance to go down that road!
Colleene1024: Habeas Corpus is a centuries old legal mechanism that prevents government from arbitrarily detaining its citizens. Its originated in medieval England and operates in many countries influenced by the English common-law tradition. In the USA Habeas Corpus a petition to a state or federal court, on behalf of a prisoner, requesting that the court review the basis of the person’s detention. Habeas Corpus is considered to be one of the foundations of constitutional democracy and the principle has been adopted by many countries throughout the world. In the United States Habeas Corpus is a fundamental piece of the legal system that allows capital defendants to challenge death penalty rulings and immigration detainees to challenge the legality of their detention. It is protected by Article I, Section 9 of the Constitution, which states, “The privilege of the write of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it.” After the attacks of September 11 2001, the Bush administration began to challenge the applicability of Habeas Corpus to terror suspect detainees. The legal and political battles around restrictions to Habeas Corpus have been fierce. Most recently, in Boumediene vs Bush, the Supreme Court held that terror suspects detained at Guantanamo Bay are protected by Habeas Corpus.
The Debatabase Book, 4th Edition with additional material by the Editor ( United States ) Should the ancient right of Habeas Corpus be limited or suspended as part of efforts to combat terrorism?
IMO There is no reason why the United States cannot uphold constitutional protections such as Habeas Corpus and effectively combat terrorism at the same time. The two are not mutually exclusive. In fact, ensuring that suspected terrorists have access to Federal courts will save much-needed resources and ensure more accurate administration of justice. In the present case, it is unclear which of the Guantanamo detainees actually committed the acts that are used to justify their indefinite detention. Allowing detainees to challenge their detention would bring clarity to this uncertain situation and free up resources in the war against terrorism.
Rights are, that everyone has the right of accuse or defend, no matter who, if, habeas Cuspus, is a tool of law where the accused can not defend more, the Right one of the pillars of any society is meaningless
mastic55: The day Kennedy took office, America changed in the wrong direction.Guy's like Ike knew how to run a country.But the country was too young to know better......No way would the old America vote for a prisdent who said"I didn't inheal". I know I'am crazy, but I know in my mind I'am right.
Sure you not thinking of William Jefferson Clinton I didnt know there was any law against not "inhealing"
Report threads that break rules, are offensive, or contain fighting. Staff may not be aware of the forum abuse, and cannot do anything about it unless you tell us about it. click to report forum abuse »
If one of the comments is offensive, please report the comment instead (there is a link in each comment to report it).
You have a right to your opinion. And between your opinion and America's opinion, guess which one is TRULY inconsequential.