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Mar 22, 2011 2:51 PM CST West moves towards Libya action
jvaski: I'll bet ya a hundred bucks we've had some trops on the ground for weeks investigating and mapping targets ........
for what?
SR-71 Blackbird,UAV!
You don't put assets into Jeopardy for weeks!laugh

Then,there were no weeks!
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Mar 22, 2011 2:55 PM CST West moves towards Libya action
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
Paldi5: They went all that distance without an alternate target or two? What kind of planning is that? Too few FACs on the ground pat?


Nope they were warned off by the lads on the ground doing their job.Nice when thay get it right.tip hat grin cheers


Oh as for the planning three Air to Air refuels on both legs inbound/outbound. Then on target,warned off. Go home ....Nice job as NO CIVILIANS damaged.....grin cheers
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Mar 22, 2011 2:56 PM CST West moves towards Libya action
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Smart Bombs



By the time of the 1991 Persian Gulf war, laser-guided weapons were in widespread use and accounted for about one in ten bombs dropped by U.S. and coalition forces. In the ensuing years, the technology has advanced even more.

Current GPS guidance systems now allow long-range targeting of individual buildings. The streets of Baghdad today are pocked with razed structures whose neighbors stand unscathed on either side.

But such technology has its limitations. For starters, planners must know which building to hit.

"The problem now is not putting a weapon on the aim point, but it's figuring out the aim point," said Stephen Biddle, research professor of national security studies at the U.S. Army War College's Strategic Studies Institute in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. "If you can tell me precisely that Osama bin Laden is at a certain longitude and latitude, we can put a lot of explosives on that point."
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Mar 22, 2011 2:58 PM CST West moves towards Libya action
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
patmac: Nope they were warned off by the lads on the ground doing their job.Nice when thay get it right. Oh as for the planning three Air to Air refuels on both legs inbound/outbound. Then on target,warned off. Go home ....Nice job as NO CIVILIANS damaged.....


I realize they wee warned away due to the presence of civilians, perhaps deliberately pre-positioned by Gadaffi to act as shields.

Still there had to be other targets. I think they should have had a backup plan... just sayin.cheers
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Mar 22, 2011 2:58 PM CST West moves towards Libya action
tomcatwarne: Smart Bombs
By the time of the 1991 Persian Gulf war, laser-guided weapons were in widespread use and accounted for about one in ten bombs dropped by U.S. and coalition forces. In the ensuing years, the technology has advanced even more.

Current GPS guidance systems now allow long-range targeting of individual buildings. The streets of Baghdad today are pocked with razed structures whose neighbors stand unscathed on either side.

But such technology has its limitations. For starters, planners must know which building to hit.

"The problem now is not putting a weapon on the aim point, but it's figuring out the aim point," said Stephen Biddle, research professor of national security studies at the U.S. Army War College's Strategic Studies Institute in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. "If you can tell me precisely that Osama bin Laden is at a certain longitude and latitude, we can put a lot of explosives on that point."
That's why they use HELLFIRE instead!laugh
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Mar 22, 2011 3:00 PM CST West moves towards Libya action
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
tomcatwarne: Smart Bombs
By the time of the 1991 Persian Gulf war, laser-guided weapons were in widespread use and accounted for about one in ten bombs dropped by U.S. and coalition forces. In the ensuing years, the technology has advanced even more.

Current GPS guidance systems now allow long-range targeting of individual buildings. The streets of Baghdad today are pocked with razed structures whose neighbors stand unscathed on either side.

But such technology has its limitations. For starters, planners must know which building to hit.

"The problem now is not putting a weapon on the aim point, but it's figuring out the aim point," said Stephen Biddle, research professor of national security studies at the U.S. Army War College's Strategic Studies Institute in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. "If you can tell me precisely that Osama bin Laden is at a certain longitude and latitude, we can put a lot of explosives on that point."


I've been to Carlisle...

(Big Car Show town)laugh

Area 51... are we there yet?
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Mar 22, 2011 3:01 PM CST West moves towards Libya action
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
UAE just pulled out of the Libyan coalition. The only Arab League nation still participating is Quatar.
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Mar 22, 2011 3:03 PM CST West moves towards Libya action
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
Paldi5: I realize they wee warned away due to the presence of civilians, perhaps deliberately pre-positioned by Gadaffi to act as shields.

Still there had to be other targets. I think they should have had a backup plan... just sayin.


Any comments on that pat? Speak now before the thread dies.

Lousy planning by someone... not to have a backup target. Hell, that's been SOP since WWII.doh
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Mar 22, 2011 3:04 PM CST West moves towards Libya action
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Conrad73: That's why they use HELLFIRE instead!


The POP 2 flight test, conducted at Eglin Air Force Base, FL, featured a lock-on-after-launch engagement of a stationary target board at 1.6 miles (2.5 km). The team used a ground-based laser designator to illuminate the target. The multi-purpose warhead was set with a delayed fuze that allows the missile to penetrate the target before detonating.

Read more:


it's a smart bombgrin
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Mar 22, 2011 3:04 PM CST West moves towards Libya action
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
ttom500: UAE just pulled out of the Libyan coalition. The only Arab League nation still participating is Quatar.


Palestine will take their place in September, should the action last that long.sad flower
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Mar 22, 2011 3:05 PM CST West moves towards Libya action
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Fellows....all I know is that when a Tomahawk cruise missile with 1000 pounds of HE hits a target. Whatever the target use.....ain't.
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Mar 22, 2011 3:05 PM CST West moves towards Libya action
ttom500: UAE just pulled out of the Libyan coalition. The only Arab League nation still participating is Quatar.
You can bet,someone is making an awful lot of Dirt and Threats behind the Scenes!uh oh
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Mar 22, 2011 3:09 PM CST West moves towards Libya action
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
Paldi5: I realize they wee warned away due to the presence of civilians, perhaps deliberately pre-positioned by Gadaffi to act as shields.

Still there had to be other targets. I think they should have had a backup plan... just sayin.


Fred you just show your ignorance. The Airframes carry weapons specific for the task. Odds are there was no target in the area that merited the used of the weapons carried by these airframes.

You do not lob a multi thousand pound weapon at a target it is not used for.

Easy enough to retarget and use the appropriate weapon for the task.

Learning enough Fred?

And if you really want to be cynical Fred the airframes going home with unused weapons proves the point all targets are checked for Civilians before release..

Nice "Preemptive Propaganda"



grin cheers
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