Does The Classless Society Really Exist? Can It Ever? ( Archived) (67)

Apr 23, 2011 1:15 PM CST Does The Classless Society Really Exist? Can It Ever?
Bodecia
BodeciaBodeciaMorristown, New York USA28 Threads 3 Polls 1,476 Posts
In this day and age, the idea of "Class" levels is considered something that belongs to the past, together with race discrimination and world poverty.

Of course, the latter two still exist, and sadly probably always will. I believe it is the same with the class system.

There are always going to be those who were born into a more priviliged world and whose family were considered "wealthy". There are those who are what they call "New Money", who to a certain degree replaced old-fashioned aristocracy, even in so-called "Republics".

There are also those who claim to denounce their upbringing, claim to be a "Person of the People" and fight for the common man.

However, ideas of "class" come in different guises; some are looked down upon because their spelling is not great, or their fashion sense is considered dubious, or their accent is not cut-glass.

Can humanity ever truely get to a point where we are all equal, are all classless, and no-one is considered on a higher ranking than anyone else?

Who judges others in this capacity more? Men or women? Or are they both equally judgemental?

I fear there will always be "Snobs"; whether they be literary, financial or otherwise.
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Apr 23, 2011 1:17 PM CST Does The Classless Society Really Exist? Can It Ever?
even if we could start with a fresh slate of "classless" society, the people in to would make a class system of some kind based on the usual criteria of haves and have nots
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Apr 23, 2011 1:18 PM CST Does The Classless Society Really Exist? Can It Ever?
I meant the people in ITdoh
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Apr 23, 2011 1:19 PM CST Does The Classless Society Really Exist? Can It Ever?
maryrachelle
maryrachellemaryrachelleBathurst, New Brunswick Canada27 Threads 1,370 Posts
In response to: Can humanity ever truely get to a point where we are all equal, are all classless, and no-one is considered on a higher ranking than anyone else?

I don't believe so.

In response to: I fear there will always be "Snobs"; whether they be literary, financial or otherwise.

Your fears are well founded.
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Apr 23, 2011 1:19 PM CST Does The Classless Society Really Exist? Can It Ever?
Bodecia
BodeciaBodeciaMorristown, New York USA28 Threads 3 Polls 1,476 Posts
felixis99: even if we could start with a fresh slate of "classless" society, the people in to would make a class system of some kind based on the usual criteria of haves and have nots


So, is it human nature to always need some kind of ranking?
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Apr 23, 2011 1:19 PM CST Does The Classless Society Really Exist? Can It Ever?
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
Does The Classless Society Really Exist?

Sure.

Modern society has no class at all.
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Apr 23, 2011 1:20 PM CST Does The Classless Society Really Exist? Can It Ever?
Bodecia
BodeciaBodeciaMorristown, New York USA28 Threads 3 Polls 1,476 Posts
RayfromUSA: Does The Classless Society Really Exist?

Sure.

Modern society has no class at all.


I dont believe that for a moment.
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Apr 23, 2011 1:20 PM CST Does The Classless Society Really Exist? Can It Ever?
Swissblueeyes
SwissblueeyesSwissblueeyesa lake, Michigan USA13 Threads 3,371 Posts
Bodecia: In this day and age, the idea of "Class" levels is considered something that belongs to the past, together with race discrimination and world poverty.

Of course, the latter two still exist, and sadly probably always will. I believe it is the same with the class system.

There are always going to be those who were born into a more priviliged world and whose family were considered "wealthy". There are those who are what they call "New Money", who to a certain degree replaced old-fashioned aristocracy, even in so-called "Republics".

There are also those who claim to denounce their upbringing, claim to be a "Person of the People" and fight for the common man.

However, ideas of "class" come in different guises; some are looked down upon because their spelling is not great, or their fashion sense is considered dubious, or their accent is not cut-glass.

Can humanity ever truely get to a point where we are all equal, are all classless, and no-one is considered on a higher ranking than anyone else?

Who judges others in this capacity more? Men or women? Or are they both equally judgemental?

I fear there will always be "Snobs"; whether they be literary, financial or otherwise.
I agree with you..It seems to be the determination of the rich class to try and be superior over everyone and also from what I see it seems like the rich are trying to squeeze out the middle class with layoffs, unemployment, then re hiring the same people at half the cost..The old saying, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, seems to be true unfortunately..
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Apr 23, 2011 1:22 PM CST Does The Classless Society Really Exist? Can It Ever?
GingerBe
GingerBeGingerBeDonegal, Ireland2 Threads 3,106 Posts
Bodecia: So, is it human nature to always need some kind of ranking?
Survival of the fittest........fattest, most intelligent, most beautiful, richest, smarmiest, best tanned, hairiest, baldest, scantiest dressed..........the list is endless!

wine
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Apr 23, 2011 1:22 PM CST Does The Classless Society Really Exist? Can It Ever?
Aswina
AswinaAswinaNitra, Slovakia2 Threads 1,373 Posts
RayfromUSA: Does The Classless Society Really Exist?

Sure.

Modern society has no class at all.


thumbs up exactly... in Europe sure. We use expression " different social groups" but no more "classes".
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Apr 23, 2011 1:22 PM CST Does The Classless Society Really Exist? Can It Ever?
Bodecia
BodeciaBodeciaMorristown, New York USA28 Threads 3 Polls 1,476 Posts
Swissblueeyes: I agree with you..It seems to be the determination of the rich class to try and be superior over everyone and also from what I see it seems like the rich are trying to squeeze out the middle class with layoffs, unemployment, then re hiring the same people at half the cost..The old saying, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, seems to be true unfortunately..


Yes.

I find it astonishing that even in so called Republics, there exists some kind of class system, and the fall of communism (in general)proved that there is always the haves and have-nots, even in a society based on equalism.
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Apr 23, 2011 1:23 PM CST Does The Classless Society Really Exist? Can It Ever?
Bodecia
BodeciaBodeciaMorristown, New York USA28 Threads 3 Polls 1,476 Posts
GingerBe: Survival of the fittest........fattest, most intelligent, most beautiful, richest, smarmiest, best tanned, hairiest, baldest, scantiest dressed..........the list is endless!


laugh wave
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Apr 23, 2011 1:23 PM CST Does The Classless Society Really Exist? Can It Ever?
Bodecia: So, is it human nature to always need some kind of ranking?


IDK

all I know is what I see and learn, and every social organization I've observed and studied has had a class system of some kind evolve

even the cold war communist revolution - those countries simply took power from the monarchies and transferred it to another hierarchy (made of jealous "have nots" mostly)- hence the leveling eventually evolved into another class system

perhaps it is a natural way that people affect to organize individual and group behavior - our natural tendencies to categorize and assign value
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Apr 23, 2011 1:23 PM CST Does The Classless Society Really Exist? Can It Ever?
Bodecia
BodeciaBodeciaMorristown, New York USA28 Threads 3 Polls 1,476 Posts
Aswina: exactly... in Europe sure. We use expression " different social groups" but no more "classes".


Different phrase - same meaning.
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Apr 23, 2011 1:26 PM CST Does The Classless Society Really Exist? Can It Ever?
Swissblueeyes
SwissblueeyesSwissblueeyesa lake, Michigan USA13 Threads 3,371 Posts
Bodecia: Yes.

I find it astonishing that even in so called Republics, there exists some kind of class system, and the fall of communism (in general)proved that there is always the haves and have-nots, even in a society based on equalism.
True..blues
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Apr 23, 2011 1:26 PM CST Does The Classless Society Really Exist? Can It Ever?
Aswina
AswinaAswinaNitra, Slovakia2 Threads 1,373 Posts
Bodecia: Different phrase - same meaning.

I have not posted about meaning one world ...cool
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Apr 23, 2011 1:28 PM CST Does The Classless Society Really Exist? Can It Ever?
Aswina
AswinaAswinaNitra, Slovakia2 Threads 1,373 Posts
sorry, " word" grin
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Apr 23, 2011 1:31 PM CST Does The Classless Society Really Exist? Can It Ever?
Aswina
AswinaAswinaNitra, Slovakia2 Threads 1,373 Posts
why I said " sorry"... word or world... meaning from context is the same...wine good evening ladies
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Apr 23, 2011 1:36 PM CST Does The Classless Society Really Exist? Can It Ever?
Aswina: why I said " sorry"... word or world... meaning from context is the same... good evening ladies


it's ok perhaps there is a language barrier. what I thought you meant is that you are calling social organizations "social groups" in your country

but to me these are still "classes" just a different way of having classes within your society

apologies ahead of time for any misunderstandingwave
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Apr 23, 2011 1:47 PM CST Does The Classless Society Really Exist? Can It Ever?
venusenvy
venusenvyvenusenvyCalgary, Alberta Canada27 Threads 20,003 Posts
I suppose there will always be different "classes" in society...however I dont give a crap. It only matters if you let it wine
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