British and American cultural differences (61)
Jan I will celebrate no ones death gung ho . I do not think it has anything to do with what country we are from. He did wrong. But to celebrate a death like that is to me just wrong.
Call me a snob....but it does not seem civilized behavior to me. And defineately not lady like
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I lost friends and fellow soldiers in the pentagon attack. I would have gleefully killed him myself. I rejoice in his death and being sent to meet his maker who will now deal with him as He see's fit. Heaven or hell is for God to decide. Our job was to expedite the process.
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jdc5558: I lost friends and fellow soldiers in the pentagon attack. I would have gleefully killed him myself. I rejoice in his death and being sent to meet his maker who will now deal with him as He see's fit. Heaven or hell is for God to decide. Our job was to expedite the process.
Heaven or Hell don´t come into it as far as I´m concerned, but thank you for your comment.
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throw away the politic's and I would bet between brit's americans
and canadian and others----we are very similar.
I may be native Indian- canadian but Irish also runs in my blood
and scotts
and canadian and others----we are very similar.
I may be native Indian- canadian but Irish also runs in my blood
and scotts
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good point jan but myself having served in the Royal Air Force and I am sure I speak for most current and ex service men and women
the only good murderer is a dead one.
History has shown us that most gvmts are also guilty as they are the ones that do the arm deals and sell the arms to other countries
and when they fall into the wrong hands its all covered up.
the only good murderer is a dead one.
History has shown us that most gvmts are also guilty as they are the ones that do the arm deals and sell the arms to other countries
and when they fall into the wrong hands its all covered up.
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craig63: good point jan but myself having served in the Royal Air Force and I am sure I speak for most current and ex service men and women
the only good murderer is a dead one.
History has shown us that most gvmts are also guilty as they are the ones that do the arm deals and sell the arms to other countries
and when they fall into the wrong hands its all covered up.
the only good murderer is a dead one.
History has shown us that most gvmts are also guilty as they are the ones that do the arm deals and sell the arms to other countries
and when they fall into the wrong hands its all covered up.
Yes, but with all due respect, my point is about the differences in behaviour, not feelings, and in my opinion there´s a rather large difference between the two countries.
Please read the article I posted the link to and that may explain what I´m referring to much better.
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I think the biggest difference between the two is that Americans still seem hugely patriotic in comparison to us Brits..
They still do, I believe, could be wrong here, have the pledge of allegience in the schools, can you imagine getting our schools to sing the national anthem every morning!
You only have to read the royal wedding thread to realise its only the older generation in the UK that have any opinion, good or bad towards tradition, I think the UK has truly lost all sense of itself as a country and once people become complacent and couldnt care less about something...well the battle is lost!
They still do, I believe, could be wrong here, have the pledge of allegience in the schools, can you imagine getting our schools to sing the national anthem every morning!
You only have to read the royal wedding thread to realise its only the older generation in the UK that have any opinion, good or bad towards tradition, I think the UK has truly lost all sense of itself as a country and once people become complacent and couldnt care less about something...well the battle is lost!
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solsticemoon: I think the biggest difference between the two is that Americans still seem hugely patriotic in comparison to us Brits..
They still do, I believe, could be wrong here, have the pledge of allegience in the schools, can you imagine getting our schools to sing the national anthem every morning!
You only have to read the royal wedding thread to realise its only the older generation in the UK that have any opinion, good or bad towards tradition, I think the UK has truly lost all sense of itself as a country and once people become complacent and couldnt care less about something...well the battle is lost!
They still do, I believe, could be wrong here, have the pledge of allegience in the schools, can you imagine getting our schools to sing the national anthem every morning!
You only have to read the royal wedding thread to realise its only the older generation in the UK that have any opinion, good or bad towards tradition, I think the UK has truly lost all sense of itself as a country and once people become complacent and couldnt care less about something...well the battle is lost!
I´m not sure I agree with you, but you do have a point. However, many young people were on the streets to see what they could of the Royal wedding which surprised me, and many young people in America don´t seem to be overl patriotic in so far as I´ve noticed. That´s just a young, rebellious stage I think, which most grow out of regardless of nationality.
You know as well as I do how patriotic the Spanish are, young and old, but it´s not about that, it´s about how showy or as I said gung-ho in the face of a situation like this. That´s the difference between Europeans and Americans, though I am generalising here.
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Yes, its true, that Americans tend to be less reserved than say, the Brits.
However, I will say this: the majority of the cheering going on in the streets of the US today was from young people; young people who are generally more vocal than us oldies anyway.
Secondly, the US is not as used to being a terrorist target as England for instance, so the outpouring of rage following 9-11 came from surprise as much as anything else. Sadly, Brits got used to terrorist attacks and although certainly not blase, they became more resigned. That is not the case yet here.
I dont think there is any set way to express grief, anger and rage; it varies from person to person - let alone from country to country.
I, for one, am glad Bin Laden is no more; one less monster in the world. However, I certainly don't intend to hang from the street lamp cheering about it, and neither does anyone I know here.
However, I will say this: the majority of the cheering going on in the streets of the US today was from young people; young people who are generally more vocal than us oldies anyway.
Secondly, the US is not as used to being a terrorist target as England for instance, so the outpouring of rage following 9-11 came from surprise as much as anything else. Sadly, Brits got used to terrorist attacks and although certainly not blase, they became more resigned. That is not the case yet here.
I dont think there is any set way to express grief, anger and rage; it varies from person to person - let alone from country to country.
I, for one, am glad Bin Laden is no more; one less monster in the world. However, I certainly don't intend to hang from the street lamp cheering about it, and neither does anyone I know here.
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leigh2154: Tall!!! Tell me you didn't say that!
Just kiddin as usual !!
I am glad for the american people today.
It brings closure for a lot of innocent folk.
Let's hope that the backlash will not be bad.
I feel that every country has it's trouble makers and terrorists.
This would be a much nicer worl without them !
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JAN_is: I´m not sure I agree with you, but you do have a point. However, many young people were on the streets to see what they could of the Royal wedding which surprised me, and many young people in America don´t seem to be overl patriotic in so far as I´ve noticed. That´s just a young, rebellious stage I think, which most grow out of regardless of nationality.
You know as well as I do how patriotic the Spanish are, young and old, but it´s not about that, it´s about how showy or as I said gung-ho in the face of a situation like this. That´s the difference between Europeans and Americans, though I am generalising here.
You know as well as I do how patriotic the Spanish are, young and old, but it´s not about that, it´s about how showy or as I said gung-ho in the face of a situation like this. That´s the difference between Europeans and Americans, though I am generalising here.
I appreciate what youre saying here Jan, maybe the americans are a little more "showy" with their feelings
But you Know us brits are world renown for being rather reserved..(Ive actually had spanish people ask me if all english men wear bowler hats in the house!!)
and the only crowd of people rampaging the streets demanding blood, or celebrating the demise of someone is only gonna be the footie hooligans!
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tallman51: Just kiddin as usual !!
I am glad for the american people today.
It brings closure for a lot of innocent folk.
Let's hope that the backlash will not be bad.
I feel that every country has it's trouble makers and terrorists.
This would be a much nicer worl without them !
I am glad for the american people today.
It brings closure for a lot of innocent folk.
Let's hope that the backlash will not be bad.
I feel that every country has it's trouble makers and terrorists.
This would be a much nicer worl without them !
I just knew I was right about you!!!....SWEET!!!!!
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As far as the Osama Bin Laden threads you must take into consideration 9/11. This act of terror touched many if not all Americans and I being Canadian am awfully happy of what happened to this terrorist. He got what he deserved and as far as a proper burial got more than what he was worthy of.
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solsticemoon: I think the biggest difference between the two is that Americans still seem hugely patriotic in comparison to us Brits..
They still do, I believe, could be wrong here, have the pledge of allegience in the schools, can you imagine getting our schools to sing the national anthem every morning!
You only have to read the royal wedding thread to realise its only the older generation in the UK that have any opinion, good or bad towards tradition, I think the UK has truly lost all sense of itself as a country and once people become complacent and couldnt care less about something...well the battle is lost!
They still do, I believe, could be wrong here, have the pledge of allegience in the schools, can you imagine getting our schools to sing the national anthem every morning!
You only have to read the royal wedding thread to realise its only the older generation in the UK that have any opinion, good or bad towards tradition, I think the UK has truly lost all sense of itself as a country and once people become complacent and couldnt care less about something...well the battle is lost!
I think you may be on the right track.
I would only add that 9/11 changed the American way of life forever. I don't know that I would dance in the streets, but when I heard...I smiled. Were it up to me, I don't think I'd have given the piece of crap a Muslim funeral as that only supports the idea that Muslims backed him. I have a few other thoughts on the proper burial for him that go beyond the scope of this thread.
(I will split with a lot of Americans here and will probably catch holy hell, but had Osama only attacked US military targets I could have "rationalized" some of his misguided efforts, but to attack 2 buildings where innocent Americans were, burned, crushed, or jumped to their deaths is totally unjustifiable and unforgiveable.) I lost no one in the terrorist attacks other than fellow Americans.)
Slightly different note. The "royal wedding" was a big waste of time and money to me, but ya know...it was nice to see a lot of Brits smiling and happy. :) A sense of unity.
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Bodecia: Yes, its true, that Americans tend to be less reserved than say, the Brits.
However, I will say this: the majority of the cheering going on in the streets of the US today was from young people; young people who are generally more vocal than us oldies anyway.
Secondly, the US is not as used to being a terrorist target as England for instance, so the outpouring of rage following 9-11 came from surprise as much as anything else. Sadly, Brits got used to terrorist attacks and although certainly not blase, they became more resigned. That is not the case yet here.
I dont think there is any set way to express grief, anger and rage; it varies from person to person - let alone from country to country.
I, for one, am glad Bin Laden is no more; one less monster in the world. However, I certainly don't intend to hang from the street lamp cheering about it, and neither does anyone I know here.
However, I will say this: the majority of the cheering going on in the streets of the US today was from young people; young people who are generally more vocal than us oldies anyway.
Secondly, the US is not as used to being a terrorist target as England for instance, so the outpouring of rage following 9-11 came from surprise as much as anything else. Sadly, Brits got used to terrorist attacks and although certainly not blase, they became more resigned. That is not the case yet here.
I dont think there is any set way to express grief, anger and rage; it varies from person to person - let alone from country to country.
I, for one, am glad Bin Laden is no more; one less monster in the world. However, I certainly don't intend to hang from the street lamp cheering about it, and neither does anyone I know here.
Well you see, what we see here in the news is the Americans going crazy on the streets and singing death chants, but I´m not so stupid as to believe all Americans are like that.
I don´t agree with your "set way to express anger..." comment though. It´s well known that culture plays a huge part in this as has recently been displayed by the Japanese during their troubles.
Americans are undoubtedly very different to the British.
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leigh2154: I just knew I was right about you!!!....SWEET!!!!!
Thanks !!
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Good topic. 
Lets broaden the OP a little further: The brits are more class conscious than the americans. Most of the rules and protocols about royalty are just designed to maintain the queen and commonwealth, etc. The US will quickly invade your country for what? (Think Grenada).
Ok, waiting for the backlash
Lets broaden the OP a little further: The brits are more class conscious than the americans. Most of the rules and protocols about royalty are just designed to maintain the queen and commonwealth, etc. The US will quickly invade your country for what? (Think Grenada).
Ok, waiting for the backlash
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they drive on the wrong side of the road and put milk in their tea. the girls are really cute though.
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dezertfox4323: they drive on the wrong side of the road and put milk in their tea. the girls are really cute though.
The road thing I can deal with. (although it seems goofy to have the steering wheel on the wrong side of the car)
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I posted in one of the numerous Obama threads that Europeans, particularly the more reserved Brits, would not in general, (and indeed are not doing so) celebrate the death of Osama in such a gung-ho way, and perhaps that was why a few people were posting more negative comments. They were of course taken as bashing, which although understandable, was not fair in most cases.
This introduction from an article in the Guardian newspaper says it much better than I tried to.
Revenge is an unfashionable word among post-imperial Europeans, who feel more comfortable with notions of justice, preferably after due legal process. Gleeful Americans, who chanted "USA, USA!" outside the White House after Barack Obama announced the killing of Osama bin Laden, show fewer inhibitions. They do capital punishment too.
The full text can be read here:-