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Jun 6, 2011 9:43 AM CST America the Free????
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
My view on the issue of some protesters dancing at the Jefferson memorial is this:
(But before, please take into consideration that this is an International forum, meaning many countries and many cultures meet and give their opinions here besides that the age factor has to be brought in too and some other elements than escape to my mind now.)

From a country were we have big crime problems, drug cartels, corruption, politicians giving themselves stratospheric salaries,etc... when I do compare the civil rights of Mexicans from the civil rights of Americans, I found a great big gap in between.

Which I am glad for the people in USA, who have more liberties than we do and I hope those liberties will make the USA a better country for its people and for the world.

Something like dancing at the Jefferson Memorial, I have done it as a teenager. As an adult now I am involved in civic rights and I might do stronger things than just dancing in a place that is part of a country’s history, culture…..

I would not point out what my perception is of important things to protest about in USA but one thing that I find terrible for USA and any other country is their decision to make wars. I know about the reason and the profits involved in it but for me a life of any good person is worth the world.

Against wars, I would do the unimaginable. My children are against war too so I would never see my children going to kill people or get to be killed and then make them “war heroes” and get a free portrait of them!!! No way.

One culture that I do admire the most is the Japanese, they are a very respectful and they live with much order in their lives. Yes, I know about the suicide rate.

There is not perfect society or perfect humans but what a society must look for is the fairness in most everything and fairness to most.

I do respect the decision of the dancers in the Memorial (even though I do not agree with it) just they had to face the legal consequences and I am pretty sure they were full aware of that. Some of us might like it or might not but that is part of a healthy and growing society. I would not want to change anyone’s opinion, I do not need it.

My point is: we need to have respect, order………………for a society to evolve to a better status quo and that certainly needs not the offending that has been written in this thread but it is good so we can show our own true colors.

bouquet

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Jun 11, 2011 4:03 PM CST America the Free????
bohemianjack
bohemianjackbohemianjackEast Central, Minnesota USA6 Threads 2 Polls 2,701 Posts
Conrad73: and it is a Matter Of Principle to be as much of a Nuisance to others as possible?


Yes you are quite frequently rolling on the floor laughing

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"I've never been wrong... wait, wait... There was that time I thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken" ~Bohemianjack. Mistaken
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Jun 11, 2011 4:24 PM CST America the Free????
bohemianjack
bohemianjackbohemianjackEast Central, Minnesota USA6 Threads 2 Polls 2,701 Posts
gininitaly: "On matters of style, swim with the current, on matters of principle, stand like a rock." ~Thomas Jefferson

Well according to Texas, BohemianJ.... Jefferson was a subversive communist/socialist and should be expunged from all the American history text books.

Seems 'principles' are in the jaded eye of the beholder.


Could be that most in Texas aren't getting a good education. sigh

Texas’ School Funding Lower Than Most States

You may have seen the spot featuring Tommy Lee Jones talking about how Texas funding for schools is low compared to other states. He voices concern about the Legislature reducing the already-low funding. He says, “That’s unacceptable” and “Don’t bankrupt our future by cutting back on our kids.”

Politifact investigated the claim that Texas funding ranks at the bottom when compared to other states’ funding. Their bottom line: the rankings vary from year to year and based on methodology, but Texas does consistently lag behind most other states in per pupil education funding.

To see the Tommy Lee Jones spot and to see the Politifact report:







God to the rescue? dunno


Rick Perry Resigns Control Of Texas: God In Charge As of August 6

Texas Governor Rick Perry has declared he can’t solve the state’s problems, so from now on official government policy is “pray, everybody.” Perry is holding a day of fasting and prayer called “The Response” at a sports stadium in Houston on August 6th, which everyone can now consider the “effective date” for God’s taking over of Texas affairs. “Some problems are beyond our power to solve,” Perry said, which includes the state debt, unemployment, public health, disaster response, and, uh, teen pregnancy. Prayer will now be in charge of these things. If anyone has a problem with how these things are going, they can phone God and ask “what the hell,” because Rick Perry will no longer be responsible.



wine



"Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty." ~Thomas Jefferson
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Jun 11, 2011 7:37 PM CST America the Free????
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada30 Threads 16,544 Posts
bohemianjack: Could be that most in Texas aren't getting a good education.

Texas’ School Funding Lower Than Most States

You may have seen the spot featuring Tommy Lee Jones talking about how Texas funding for schools is low compared to other states. He voices concern about the Legislature reducing the already-low funding. He says, “That’s unacceptable” and “Don’t bankrupt our future by cutting back on our kids.”

Politifact investigated the claim that Texas funding ranks at the bottom when compared to other states’ funding. Their bottom line: the rankings vary from year to year and based on methodology, but Texas does consistently lag behind most other states in per pupil education funding.

To see the Tommy Lee Jones spot and to see the Politifact report:




God to the rescue? Rick Perry Resigns Control Of Texas: God In Charge As of August 6

Texas Governor Rick Perry has declared he can’t solve the state’s problems, so from now on official government policy is “pray, everybody.” Perry is holding a day of fasting and prayer called “The Response” at a sports stadium in Houston on August 6th, which everyone can now consider the “effective date” for God’s taking over of Texas affairs. “Some problems are beyond our power to solve,” Perry said, which includes the state debt, unemployment, public health, disaster response, and, uh, teen pregnancy. Prayer will now be in charge of these things. If anyone has a problem with how these things are going, they can phone God and ask “what the hell,” because Rick Perry will no longer be responsible.




"Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty." ~Thomas Jefferson



They're totally screwed now.laugh


This can't be serious, is it?confused


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Jun 11, 2011 7:59 PM CST America the Free????
Buffy327
Buffy327Buffy327Somewhere, Georgia USA5 Threads 1,527 Posts
patmac: Never heard of SARCASM ....FOX NEWS is total rubbish I would never use it as a source for anything ......

In general the News I watch when I do watch it is the BBC...

Having watched FOX news it made me realise how good the BBC was....

In general the US news corporations have for some reason an angle that they put on and a spin that shows the leaning of the network...

The BBC Just reports the facts and you the viewer can make your own mind up...

I detest all these news agencies that invent news,spin facts and look at the news in a way that suits the network.

I have travelled all over the world and watched the news being reported by so many networks.

And FOX along with some of the middle East agencies are the worst I have seen.

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Jun 11, 2011 8:08 PM CST America the Free????
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
Albertaghost: "A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement." Thomas Jefferson
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Jun 11, 2011 8:10 PM CST America the Free????
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
bohemianjack: "There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community." ~OSCAR WILDE, The Critic as Artist


I'm sure he was referring to MSNBC. laugh
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Jun 11, 2011 9:38 PM CST America the Free????
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
bohemianjack: Texas’ School Funding Lower Than Most States

Politifact investigated the claim that Texas funding ranks at the bottom when compared to other states’ funding. Their bottom line: the rankings vary from year to year and based on methodology, but Texas does consistently lag behind most other states in per pupil education funding.





Following up on the above intellectual comment:

Academic researchers have sought to answer the question of whether Education expenditures are correlated with student performance. However, there is a lack of consistent evidence on whether Education expenditures are related to academic achievement. Eric Hanushek has studied the effect of per-pupil expenditures on academic outcomes, finding either no relationship or a relationship that is either weak or inconsistent. Despite the lack of consistent findings, leading researchers in the area acknowledge that any effect of per-pupil expenditures on academic outcomes depends on how the money is spent, not on how much money is spent. According to Hanushek:

Few people…would recommend just dumping extra resources into existing schools. America has…followed that program for several decades, with no sign that student performance has improved.…

…The issue is getting productive uses from current and added spending. The existing evidence simply indicates that the typical school system today does not use resources well (at least if promoting student achievement is their purpose).

Hedges and Greenwald note that:

he results do not provide detailed information on the educationally or economically efficient means to allocate existing and new dollars.… iscussions of school reform… should instead incorporate an assessment of the current relation between inputs and outcomes and determine how to best allocate resources in specific contexts.

What is clear from these competing findings is that policymakers should seriously consider improving how to allocate educational resources more effectively.

The evidence about Education spending and achievement leads to the following important lessons:

American spending on public K-12 education is at an all-time high and is still rising. Polls show that many people believe that a lack of resources is a primary problem facing public schools. Yet spending on American K-12 public Education is at an all-time high. Approximately $9,300 is spent per pupil. Real spending per student has increased by 23.5 percent over the past decade and by 49 percent over the past 20 years.
Continuous spending increases have not corresponded with equal improvement in American educational performance. Long-term measures of American students' academic achievement, such as long-term NAEP reading scale scores and high school graduation rates, show that the performance of American students has not improved dramatically in recent decades, despite substantial spending increases. The lack of a correlation between long-term Education spending and performance does not suggest that resources are not a factor in academic performance, but it does suggest that simply increasing spending is unlikely to improve educational performance.
Increasing federal funding on Education has not been followed by similar gains in student achievement. Federal spending on elementary and secondary Education has also increased significantly in recent decades. Since 1985, real federal spending on K-12 education has increased by 138 percent. On a per-student basis, federal spending on K-12 education has tripled since 1970. Yet, long-term measures of American students' academic achievement have not seen similar increases. Long-term test scores among specific student populations, including ethnic minorities that have been a main focus of federal Education policy, have improved some. However, the achievement gaps among white, black, and Hispanic students persist in test scores and graduation rates.
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Jun 11, 2011 9:38 PM CST America the Free????
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
bohemianjack: Texas’ School Funding Lower Than Most States

Politifact investigated the claim that Texas funding ranks at the bottom when compared to other states’ funding. Their bottom line: the rankings vary from year to year and based on methodology, but Texas does consistently lag behind most other states in per pupil education funding.





Following up on the above intellectual comment:

Academic researchers have sought to answer the question of whether Education expenditures are correlated with student performance. However, there is a lack of consistent evidence on whether Education expenditures are related to academic achievement. Eric Hanushek has studied the effect of per-pupil expenditures on academic outcomes, finding either no relationship or a relationship that is either weak or inconsistent. Despite the lack of consistent findings, leading researchers in the area acknowledge that any effect of per-pupil expenditures on academic outcomes depends on how the money is spent, not on how much money is spent. According to Hanushek:

Few people…would recommend just dumping extra resources into existing schools. America has…followed that program for several decades, with no sign that student performance has improved.…

…The issue is getting productive uses from current and added spending. The existing evidence simply indicates that the typical school system today does not use resources well (at least if promoting student achievement is their purpose).

Hedges and Greenwald note that:

he results do not provide detailed information on the educationally or economically efficient means to allocate existing and new dollars.… iscussions of school reform… should instead incorporate an assessment of the current relation between inputs and outcomes and determine how to best allocate resources in specific contexts.

What is clear from these competing findings is that policymakers should seriously consider improving how to allocate educational resources more effectively.

The evidence about Education spending and achievement leads to the following important lessons:

American spending on public K-12 education is at an all-time high and is still rising. Polls show that many people believe that a lack of resources is a primary problem facing public schools. Yet spending on American K-12 public Education is at an all-time high. Approximately $9,300 is spent per pupil. Real spending per student has increased by 23.5 percent over the past decade and by 49 percent over the past 20 years.
Continuous spending increases have not corresponded with equal improvement in American educational performance. Long-term measures of American students' academic achievement, such as long-term NAEP reading scale scores and high school graduation rates, show that the performance of American students has not improved dramatically in recent decades, despite substantial spending increases. The lack of a correlation between long-term Education spending and performance does not suggest that resources are not a factor in academic performance, but it does suggest that simply increasing spending is unlikely to improve educational performance.
Increasing federal funding on Education has not been followed by similar gains in student achievement. Federal spending on elementary and secondary Education has also increased significantly in recent decades. Since 1985, real federal spending on K-12 education has increased by 138 percent. On a per-student basis, federal spending on K-12 education has tripled since 1970. Yet, long-term measures of American students' academic achievement have not seen similar increases. Long-term test scores among specific student populations, including ethnic minorities that have been a main focus of federal Education policy, have improved some. However, the achievement gaps among white, black, and Hispanic students persist in test scores and graduation rates.
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Jun 12, 2011 1:48 AM CST America the Free????
gininitaly
gininitalygininitalyPadova, Veneto Italy23 Threads 2,454 Posts
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Jun 14, 2011 4:38 AM CST America the Free????
bohemianjack
bohemianjackbohemianjackEast Central, Minnesota USA6 Threads 2 Polls 2,701 Posts
gininitaly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U


Great presentation applause

wine


"What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered."-Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Jun 15, 2011 12:34 PM CST America the Free????
irishrebel75
irishrebel75irishrebel75Fairfax, Missouri USA123 Threads 5 Polls 1,755 Posts
America....the Land of Hipocracy
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Jun 15, 2011 12:37 PM CST America the Free????
blarneykite
blarneykiteblarneykiteSomewhere, Carlow Ireland31 Threads 3,901 Posts
irishrebel75: America....the Land of Hipocracy
Isn't that a line from a "rage against the machine " song??
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Jun 15, 2011 12:58 PM CST America the Free????
irishrebel75
irishrebel75irishrebel75Fairfax, Missouri USA123 Threads 5 Polls 1,755 Posts
blarneykite: Isn't that a line from a "rage against the machine " song??
Nah i got it from an Anthrax song, Startin Up A Posse

America the beautiful
Land of the Free
Don't change the words
To land of Hipocracy
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Jun 22, 2011 7:57 AM CST America the Free????
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
Ambrose2007: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Dy2YSRFPb0&feature=channel_video_title

Check this video out. People arrested for making dancing movements at Jefferson Memorial.

I can't wait for our resident "conservatives" to say that abolishing the Constitution is part of our holy battle against terrorism.

Favorite comment: "WTF!!I WAS IN BEIJING LAST MONTH & LOCAL CHINESE WERE DANCING, KISSING? & TAKING PICTURES ALL OVER TIANANMEN SQUARE WITH NO PROBLEMS AT ALL…"

So now China is freer than the U.S.

Go back to sleep, Citizens, nothing happening here.
lucky fmr. ussr too.
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Aug 30, 2011 1:41 PM CST America the Free????
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
Ambrose2007: "NO" government controls? I guess that would make her an anarchist then, Anon?


Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" hits very close to the current state of the World, a broken economy and a government taking more and more power over its people...
Last year, people purchased over a half million copies of her book, first published in the late 1950's......grin
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Aug 30, 2011 1:44 PM CST America the Free????
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
leigh2154: Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" hits very close to the current state of the World, a broken economy and a government taking more and more power over its people...
Last year, people purchased over a half million copies of her book, first published in the late 1950's......


I saw part 1 of Atlas Shrugged. It was a pretty good movie. thumbs up
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Aug 30, 2011 1:48 PM CST America the Free????
TrueBlue1986
TrueBlue1986TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
In response to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Dy2YSRFPb0&feature=channel_video_title

Check this video out. People arrested for making dancing movements at Jefferson Memorial.

I can't wait for our resident "conservatives" to say that abolishing the Constitution is part of our holy battle against terrorism.

Favorite comment: "WTF!!I WAS IN BEIJING LAST MONTH & LOCAL CHINESE WERE DANCING, KISSING? & TAKING PICTURES ALL OVER TIANANMEN SQUARE WITH NO PROBLEMS AT ALL…"

So now China is freer than the U.S.

Go back to sleep, Citizens, nothing happening here.


The police behaved terribly.

No swearing and little shouting, no kicking in the teeth and not even a sign of a police baton. But they certainly don't need arresting, that serves no purpose, all these over pampered pricks really need is a good punch in the face.

Really, is this is what Grandad died for? The freedom to dance about like a dickhead? - they don't even have any rhythm! - Jesus Christ.
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Aug 30, 2011 1:51 PM CST America the Free????
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
bohemianjack: "There is much to be said in favour of modern journalism. By giving us the opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of the community." ~OSCAR WILDE, The Critic as Artist


Another MSNBC fan. help
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Aug 30, 2011 1:59 PM CST America the Free????
Ambrose2007: "NO" government controls? I guess that would make her an anarchist then, Anon?
Nope,actually she is for Government that adheres to it's proper function!





The only proper purpose of a government is to protect man’s rights, which means: to protect him from physical violence. A proper government is only a policeman, acting as an agent of man’s self-defense, and, as such, may resort to force only against those who start the use of force. The only proper functions of a government are: the police, to protect you from criminals; the army, to protect you from foreign invaders; and the courts, to protect your property and contracts from breach or fraud by others, to settle disputes by rational rules, according to objective law. But a government that initiates the employment of force against men who had forced no one, the employment of armed compulsion against disarmed victims, is a nightmare infernal machine designed to annihilate morality: such a government reverses its only moral purpose and switches from the role of protector to the role of man’s deadliest enemy, from the role of policeman to the role of a criminal vested with the right to the wielding of violence against victims deprived of the right of self-defense. Such a government substitutes for morality the following rule of social conduct: you may do whatever you please to your neighbor, provided your gang is bigger than his.

For the New Intellectual

Galt’s Speech,


Actually she was anything BUT an Anarchist!
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