English Grammar ( Archived) (37)

Jun 5, 2011 11:27 PM CST English Grammar
Dagosto
DagostoDagostoKnoxville, Tennessee USA74 Threads 15 Polls 3,076 Posts
Ccincy: Do we get grades for this.


Yes and they'll be placed in your Permanent Record. Any misstep here will haunt you for the rest of your life. laugh laugh laugh

wine
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Jun 5, 2011 11:52 PM CST English Grammar
Emerold99
Emerold99Emerold99Gympie, Queensland Australia4 Threads 1 Polls 121 Posts
mercy: The following text was part of an exam.

Sam lived in the mountains. His family was very poor. Every morning, Sam _____(1)_____ up early to go to school.


The choice of answers for this question were:
A get

B got

C gets

D getting

The answer given by the teacher who set the paper and as according to the reference book she used, the answer is got. However others said that the answer is gets. Which answer is correct? If gets is the answer, some of them question why should the answer be in the simple present tense when the whole passage is in the past tense? Does the signal word every require us to use the simple present tense since it is a habitual action even though the person does not exist, has died or no longer does the activity? Please explain the grammar rule to support the answer.


I would have said this.

Sam lived in the mountains. His family were very poor. Every morning, Sam would get up early to go to school.


If it were present tense it would have read like so : -

Sam lives in the mountains. His family are very poor. Every morning, Sam gets up early to go to school.

See the difference?
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Jun 6, 2011 12:13 AM CST English Grammar
Dagosto
DagostoDagostoKnoxville, Tennessee USA74 Threads 15 Polls 3,076 Posts
Emerold99: I would have said this.

Sam lived in the mountains. His family were very poor. Every morning, Sam would get up early to go to school.If it were present tense it would have read like so : -

Sam lives in the mountains. His family are very poor. Every morning, Sam gets up early to go to school.

See the difference?


May I point out, the subject there is "his family," not "the family"? Sam has only one family, so it is singular: "His family is very poor," not "his family are very poor."

wine
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Jun 6, 2011 1:39 AM CST English Grammar
Emerold99
Emerold99Emerold99Gympie, Queensland Australia4 Threads 1 Polls 121 Posts
Dagosto: May I point out, the subject there is "his family," not "the family"? Sam has only one family, so it is singular: "His family is very poor," not "his family are very poor."



point taken... I had just woken up :P

Sam lives in the mountains. His family is very poor.

Are they?
Yes they is......

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Jun 6, 2011 4:26 AM CST English Grammar
LuvinHavinFun
LuvinHavinFunLuvinHavinFunMelbourne, Victoria Australia10 Threads 407 Posts
Dagosto: Consistency demands that since Sam "lived," he also "got." I find it difficult to understand why anyone would argue in favor of "gets." Only in telling jokes is an unexpected shift in temporal sense appropriate (e.g., "Sam lived in the mountains. One day he gets up...").


i think they use it in bugs bunny cartoons too haha
boogie
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Jun 6, 2011 4:26 AM CST English Grammar
LuvinHavinFun
LuvinHavinFunLuvinHavinFunMelbourne, Victoria Australia10 Threads 407 Posts
LuvinHavinFun: i think they use it in bugs bunny cartoons too haha


or is it 'used' hmmmm. haha
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Jun 6, 2011 4:31 AM CST English Grammar
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
Dagosto: Regardless, "a family" is one. Otherwise it would be "the families," as if Sam were somehow associated with the New York Syndicate portrayed in The Godfather:

Vito Corleone (Marlon Brando): I am pleased to welcome the capi of all the five Families here today.
Sam (country boy from mountains): Whut the hell yew talkin' bout, mushmouth? T'ain't but one fambly per person.
Sonny Corleone (James Caan): BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM


I'm not contesting your linguistic genius.

I'm just trying to cause trouble. grin
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Jun 6, 2011 8:56 PM CST English Grammar
mercy
mercymercyKuala Lumpur, Malaysia7 Threads 95 Posts
Hello guys! Thanks for the information. Wishing all of you a great week ahead!angel
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Jun 6, 2011 9:04 PM CST English Grammar
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
This is on my The English Language According To Gallagher Thread.

Enjoy again!

Gallagher - Messing with your mind



Gallagher - Origin of the alphabet

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Jun 6, 2011 9:46 PM CST English Grammar
bhg0405
bhg0405bhg0405Chicago, Illinois USA1 Threads 15 Posts
Well, family is a collective noun, so it can be used both in plural and singular forms. If you describe the condition of a family as a unit, then you should use the linking verb " to be" in singular; however, if you wish to describe the condition of each member of the family, then you can use it in plural form.
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Jun 6, 2011 9:48 PM CST English Grammar
bhg0405
bhg0405bhg0405Chicago, Illinois USA1 Threads 15 Posts
Dagosto: May I point out, the subject there is "his family," not "the family"? Sam has only one family, so it is singular: "His family is very poor," not "his family are very poor."


Well, family is a collective noun, so it can be used both in plural and singular forms. If you describe the condition of a family as a unit, then you should use the linking verb " to be" in singular; however, if you wish to describe the condition of each member of the family, then you can use it in plural form.
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Jun 6, 2011 9:50 PM CST English Grammar
MovinFWD
MovinFWDMovinFWDDaytona Beach, Florida USA36 Threads 3,234 Posts
This ain't a fun threadmumbling
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Jun 6, 2011 10:09 PM CST English Grammar
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
thumbs up bhg0405

Very intelligent and real comments about the English Language.

LED ZEPPELIN : Stairway to Heaven (live).

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Jun 7, 2011 8:20 PM CST English Grammar
mercy
mercymercyKuala Lumpur, Malaysia7 Threads 95 Posts
johnaustin123: This is on my The English Language According To Gallagher Thread.

Enjoy again!

Gallagher - Messing with your mind



Gallagher - Origin of the alphabet



Dear John, thank you for your threads and the U-tube. Truly entertaining!angel
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Jun 7, 2011 8:26 PM CST English Grammar
venusenvy
venusenvyvenusenvyCalgary, Alberta Canada27 Threads 20,003 Posts
Dreamyone: dude you have to much time on your hand or want someone to do your homework


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Jun 29, 2011 9:25 PM CST English Grammar
mustbnutz
mustbnutzmustbnutzKingman, Arizona USA33 Threads 5 Polls 3,730 Posts
Emerold99: point taken... I had just woken up :P

Sam lives in the mountains. His family is very poor.

Are they?
Yes they is......



Dey is poor because theyns lives up dere in dem mountons...mumbling
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Jun 29, 2011 10:32 PM CST English Grammar
Antoniacv
AntoniacvAntoniacvWien, Vienna Austria11 Threads 1,084 Posts
Dagosto: Consistency demands that since Sam "lived," he also "got." I find it difficult to understand why anyone would argue in favor of "gets." Only in telling jokes is an unexpected shift in temporal sense appropriate (e.g., "Sam lived in the mountains. One day he gets up...").


Im not a native English speaker but It makes lots of sense that the right answer be "got"...That would have been my answer ...
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