What God is (221)
galrads: wo/men describe God in many ways. I wonder how you'd describe God if you were standing on Hiroshima's Aioi bridge at 8:14 A.M. on August 6, 1945; and you know what's going to happen then, one minute before it does?
I would not, on the bridge, one minute from the explosion, invent a image and pray/ beg.
I have looked into death as well, although it isn't something I would like to discuss here.
I think I would experience the ultimate peace of mind, or I hope so. First of all, death is inevitable, secondly observing it is peaceful, creating images about it is quite opposite though.
Can you contemplate Hiroshima and Nagasaki without a sense of desperate sorrow, and the insanity in that way of killing?
It hits me sometimes, but usually the idea is about all the justifications.
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olaix: First of all, death is inevitable, secondly observing it is peaceful, creating images about it is quite opposite though.
Mentioning this as a personal relationship, everyone has theirs, even if it is avoiding it completely.
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olaix: I would not, on the bridge, one minute from the explosion, invent a image and pray/ beg.
I have looked into death as well, although it isn't something I would like to discuss here.
I think I would experience the ultimate peace of mind, or I hope so. First of all, death is inevitable, secondly observing it is peaceful, creating images about it is quite opposite though.
Can you contemplate Hiroshima and Nagasaki without a sense of desperate sorrow, and the insanity in that way of killing?
It hits me sometimes, but usually the idea is about all the justifications.
I have looked into death as well, although it isn't something I would like to discuss here.
I think I would experience the ultimate peace of mind, or I hope so. First of all, death is inevitable, secondly observing it is peaceful, creating images about it is quite opposite though.
Can you contemplate Hiroshima and Nagasaki without a sense of desperate sorrow, and the insanity in that way of killing?
It hits me sometimes, but usually the idea is about all the justifications.
It is not for me to justify the use of nuclear or other WMDs. Had I been the prez of the usa in 1945 I have wondered if I would use them considering the other options available and Russia's soon to be entrance into the pacific war theatre.
I have witnessed calm and tragic miserable deaths. My parents and late wife all died from a cancer that devastated them physically. Personally, when my time comes, I'd prefer to be on that bridge in Hiroshima instead of dealing with my own cancer... if that's to be my destiny.
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Well, its not for me to justify it either, it should never have gotten to that point in the first place. It should not even come to 1 death, as it should not even come to the creation of the violent image or what justifies it. We may say what we want, but our specie need laws, and some of them are ridiculous - why would we even consider killing if we looked at it rationally? if it was our nature to self terminate before we could kill, we would not need it.
But yeah, I think most people who have seen close people dying, wants a peaceful death, and not suffer too much. My late grandfather was in a chair his 7 last years (he became 93) in a body that could hardly carry him, almost no vision, almost no hearing, but 100% clear in his mind, and a lot of pain.
But yeah, I think most people who have seen close people dying, wants a peaceful death, and not suffer too much. My late grandfather was in a chair his 7 last years (he became 93) in a body that could hardly carry him, almost no vision, almost no hearing, but 100% clear in his mind, and a lot of pain.
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olaix: Well, its not for me to justify it either, it should never have gotten to that point in the first place. It should not even come to 1 death, as it should not even come to the creation of the violent image or what justifies it. We may say what we want, but our specie need laws, and some of them are ridiculous - why would we even consider killing if we looked at it rationally? if it was our nature to self terminate before we could kill, we would not need it.
But yeah, I think most people who have seen close people dying, wants a peaceful death, and not suffer too much. My late grandfather was in a chair his 7 last years (he became 93) in a body that could hardly carry him, almost no vision, almost no hearing, but 100% clear in his mind, and a lot of pain.
But yeah, I think most people who have seen close people dying, wants a peaceful death, and not suffer too much. My late grandfather was in a chair his 7 last years (he became 93) in a body that could hardly carry him, almost no vision, almost no hearing, but 100% clear in his mind, and a lot of pain.
It took me a long long time to really understand and appreciate why my traditional Italian family mourned a birth and celebrated a natural death....
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galrads: It took me a long long time to really understand and appreciate why my traditional Italian family mourned a birth and celebrated a natural death....
Yeah, seems like a deep realization which is the better in many ways.
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olaix: To be honest, I have no idea. I have come to the idea that everyone who claim they have the idea are also either guessing, or, doing a educated guess.
What God is, however, seems less interesting though, than actually the process of wondering itself. To put the mind completely against the unknown, in wondering, sub conscious searching, inquiring, without measuring, wanting, fearing is a interesting state of mind that can be related to God.
Through immense sorrow, which easily can be seen in all of the world, real beauty is seen/sensed, and color the state of mind with love.
May be that "God" is a more interesting fellow than often given credit for, who knows - tell me when you see "Him".
The reason why this can be so confusing is that many people who believe in God insist that others believe in Him exactly the same way they do, thereby hangs a tale. He is different for everyone, as every fish, flower and snowflake are different. Keeping God inside a box is a mistake. His relationship with individuals is unique to that individual. When people come to understand this, they will understand the concept of God much better.What God is, however, seems less interesting though, than actually the process of wondering itself. To put the mind completely against the unknown, in wondering, sub conscious searching, inquiring, without measuring, wanting, fearing is a interesting state of mind that can be related to God.
Through immense sorrow, which easily can be seen in all of the world, real beauty is seen/sensed, and color the state of mind with love.
May be that "God" is a more interesting fellow than often given credit for, who knows - tell me when you see "Him".
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rohaan: The reason why this can be so confusing is that many people who believe in God insist that others believe in Him exactly the same way they do, thereby hangs a tale. He is different for everyone, as every fish, flower and snowflake are different. Keeping God inside a box is a mistake. His relationship with individuals is unique to that individual. When people come to understand this, they will understand the concept of God much better.
Yeah - that principle could break any form of organized religion. We have agreed, disagreed and dictated what "God" is through big parts of history, and still do, while the unmeasureable, which cannot be compared by definition, the real thing, that can only be shared in the unmeasurable moments between human beings (love), are being negated, deprived, undermined and made into a circus.
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olaix: Yeah - that principle could break any form of organized religion. We have agreed, disagreed and dictated what "God" is through big parts of history, and still do, while the unmeasureable, which cannot be compared by definition, the real thing, that can only be shared in the unmeasurable moments between human beings (love), are being negated, deprived, undermined and made into a circus.
So then, I would be interested to know of your feelings to, from, and regarding God. (I totally understand if that would be too personal, and would of course accept that. I find that my thoughts about this are often not something I wish to discuss, except only in the most general of terms. When someone asks me if I believe in God, it's usually because they want to tear me down in some way or another. Many Christians are so adamant that they are "right" they become alpha dogs about it, and when that occurs, I am uninspired by their pomposity, though they be in the right. Do you know what I mean?------ This thread is Archived ------
A God with a function looks like a glorified image which we can identify with, to feel good about, and about ourselves, a "higher" being, as that "higher" self as the end goal of a deep mix of fear, desire and sorrow. Being "close" to those kinds of Gods, seems like a very powerful social position.
The organized religious institution. I wonder if anyone, that close to religion as those guys, and their leaders, by the fact that they live in it - could possibly miss out on this truth, but still keep it going.
The organized religious institution. I wonder if anyone, that close to religion as those guys, and their leaders, by the fact that they live in it - could possibly miss out on this truth, but still keep it going.
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rohaan: So then, I would be interested to know of your feelings to, from, and regarding God. (I totally understand if that would be too personal, and would of course accept that. I find that my thoughts about this are often not something I wish to discuss, except only in the most general of terms. When someone asks me if I believe in God, it's usually because they want to tear me down in some way or another. Many Christians are so adamant that they are "right" they become alpha dogs about it, and when that occurs, I am uninspired by their pomposity, though they be in the right. Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, I get it. I don't mind discussing it, because I'm not so emotionally attached to it, even if I was, it would educate my emotions to not be attached. That said, I'm into it mainly because of the hunch, I'm not a guru
But it explains it in first post - what is "God"? I don't know. But I realize no one else really knows too, because it is easy to see the difference between a human made image, and the immeasurable.
May be your answer - know matter how much knowledge I accumulate, or how many melancholy feelings I accumulate, I will NEVER see "God" in any of it - not even if we realized that matter is all there is in this universe, and that is what's eternal. Still, "God" would be immeasurable, and once the process of measurement starts, psychologically, its not God anymore, it is a result of a smart man's measurement.
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olaix: To be honest, I have no idea. I have come to the idea that everyone who claim they have the idea are also either guessing, or, doing a educated guess.
What God is, however, seems less interesting though, than actually the process of wondering itself. To put the mind completely against the unknown, in wondering, sub conscious searching, inquiring, without measuring, wanting, fearing is a interesting state of mind that can be related to God.
Through immense sorrow, which easily can be seen in all of the world, real beauty is seen/sensed, and color the state of mind with love.
May be that "God" is a more interesting fellow than often given credit for, who knows - tell me when you see "Him".
What God is, however, seems less interesting though, than actually the process of wondering itself. To put the mind completely against the unknown, in wondering, sub conscious searching, inquiring, without measuring, wanting, fearing is a interesting state of mind that can be related to God.
Through immense sorrow, which easily can be seen in all of the world, real beauty is seen/sensed, and color the state of mind with love.
May be that "God" is a more interesting fellow than often given credit for, who knows - tell me when you see "Him".
god is a nice....cool beer and a good spliff......
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my view: peopl who don't believe in god, are very lonely and empty inside. that's why they drink beer etc
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Now I will mention my favorite approach, and something I don't know how to relate to.
We are on a dating site, where we are connecting singles :)
Now that we see that measurement is the start of ideals, and their following conflicts by definition, and that the real, the true comes from the immeasurable, and then by definition, we should strive to meet each other without measurement, without conflict or conformity of ideals, but instead we do :)
We measure and confirm/deny.
There is a rumor that says shallow is bad, and another that says you should not judge from the look :) what if its true?
We are on a dating site, where we are connecting singles :)
Now that we see that measurement is the start of ideals, and their following conflicts by definition, and that the real, the true comes from the immeasurable, and then by definition, we should strive to meet each other without measurement, without conflict or conformity of ideals, but instead we do :)
We measure and confirm/deny.
There is a rumor that says shallow is bad, and another that says you should not judge from the look :) what if its true?
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Please avoid discussing each other. There is a unlimited opportunity to create forum threads.
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cloud747: my view: peopl who don't believe in god, are very lonely and empty inside. that's why they drink beer etc
who cares what ur view is.....
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olaix: Well, you seem quite un-interested, while this IS in the philosophy/religion/spirituality forum section AND some of us are potentially interested in the right atmosphere.
Au contrare, if I was truly uninterested, I would not have responded. It was simply early in the morning for me and the brevity was a reflection of my need to get to work.
I believe Russell put it best...
" The real question is :Is there anything we can think of which, by mere fact that we can think of it , is shown to exist outside our thought? Every philosopher would like to say yes, because a philosopher's job is to find out things about the world by thinking rather than observing. If yes is the right answer, there is a bridge from pure thought to things. If not, not. "
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Ok, great.
Russel, the enlightenment era philosopher, right?
I'm not really sure you need to be a philosopher to see what I mean, we all have a brain, our brain all works quite similarly, except perhaps the particular content.
We can all look in the mirror, be honest, think about God and get to the conclusion that we don't know, we are either guessing, believing, hoping, wishing, or wanting it to be like that.
Russel and his point - how can we think about something we don't know? we cannot even make a assumption about what we don't know, without the risk of being completely utter clueless or mistaken. Wouldn't that be why the philosophers use their tools of thinking to find out, they experiment, they put their suggestions to the test? - Thomas Edison was said to make 10.000 attempts before he succeeded with one of his creations, before he knew the truth of how the thing works.
Before he knew, he only guessed, assumed, desired etc, right?
Russel, the enlightenment era philosopher, right?
I'm not really sure you need to be a philosopher to see what I mean, we all have a brain, our brain all works quite similarly, except perhaps the particular content.
We can all look in the mirror, be honest, think about God and get to the conclusion that we don't know, we are either guessing, believing, hoping, wishing, or wanting it to be like that.
Russel and his point - how can we think about something we don't know? we cannot even make a assumption about what we don't know, without the risk of being completely utter clueless or mistaken. Wouldn't that be why the philosophers use their tools of thinking to find out, they experiment, they put their suggestions to the test? - Thomas Edison was said to make 10.000 attempts before he succeeded with one of his creations, before he knew the truth of how the thing works.
Before he knew, he only guessed, assumed, desired etc, right?
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I find thought in itself, that has nothing to do with facts, very superficial, but still it is considered deep, the teller of the real, the teller of God, while in fact, it looks like it is depriving us from the real.
Does not mean I judge it of course.
Does not mean I judge it of course.
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Well, us humans have always struggled with doing good or doing bad. Or, we can call it "evil". The devil has been overly used by the church to remove or negate desire, as well as a explanation of why we are doing bad, and a reason to execute.