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Apr 19, 2012 8:50 AM CST Terrorism - the definition
ttom500
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robplum: Seems clear to me 9/11 was a considered response from Bush attacking the place of birth of Mohammad's Daughter, Baghdad, seen by some as an attack on all of the Muslim faith


With that logic....if a western walks in Medina or Mecca....he should be stoned for trespassing on a Islamic Holy site.doh
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Apr 20, 2012 4:40 AM CST Terrorism - the definition
robplum: Perhaps you'll be kind enough to inform us what you think was behind it, sure it would be most enlightening Conrad...

Anyway, to summarize: the United States being a military partner with Israel against Arab nations is one major reason 9/11 happened, according to the reasons given by terrorists.

Ask yourself: what if the U.S. had never become allies with Israel? Would 9/11 had happened?

Ask yourself: what if the U.S. never had military bases in the Middle East? Would 9/11 had happened?

Ask yourself: what if the U.S. had never invaded Iraq during the Gulf War and/or set up sanctions? Would 9/11 had happened?



Abu Bakar, who denies he is the leader of Jemaah Islamiah, challenged those who had accused the group of carrying out the Kuta attack to come forward with proof.

He also sounded a warning to the Prime Minister, John Howard, on becoming involved in a war with Iraq. "Tell your Prime Minister that's a stupid thing to do - supporting America in attacking Iraq is a stupid thing to do."


and

On 6 August 1990, after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, the U.N. Security Council adopted Resolution 661 which imposed economic sanctions on Iraq, providing for a full trade embargo, excluding medical supplies, food and other items of humanitarian necessity, these to be determined by the Security Council sanctions committee. After the end of the Gulf War and after the Iraqi withdrawal from Kuwait, the sanctions were linked to removal of weapons of mass destruction by Resolution 687. From 1991 until 2003 the effects of government policy and sanctions regime led to hyperinflation, widespread poverty and malnutrition. On May 12, 1996, Madeleine Albright (then U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations) was questioned by Leslie Stahl "We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?" and Albright replied "we think the price is worth it." She later wrote "I had fallen into a trap and said something I did not mean"; and regretted coming "across as cold-blooded and cruel".
In the 1998 fatwa, Al Qaeda identified the Iraq sanctions as a reason to kill Americans: "despite the great devastation inflicted on the Iraqi people by the crusader-Zionist alliance, and despite the huge number of those killed, which has exceeded 1 million... despite all this, the Americans are once against trying to repeat the horrific massacres, as though they are not content with the protracted blockade imposed after the ferocious war or the fragmentation and devastation....On that basis, and in compliance with Allah's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims: The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies—civilians and military—is an individual duty for every Muslim..."
In the 2004 Osama bin Laden video, Osama calls this "the greatest mass slaughter of children mankind has ever known"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motives_for_the_September_11_attacks
Osama was and still is a Jerk!
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Apr 20, 2012 4:53 AM CST Terrorism - the definition
Conrad73: Osama was and still is a Jerk!

The Craphead forgets one thing!
That an Islamic State invaded another Islamic State,and the Coalition was there at the Invitation of Saudi-Arabia!
Seems you have forgotten that in the Rush as well!



This shows how far out of bounds he really was!






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Apr 20, 2012 5:23 AM CST Terrorism - the definition
Conrad73: Osama was and still is a Jerk!


i think they are all bloody idiots mate, violence leads to more violence
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Apr 21, 2012 3:18 PM CST Terrorism - the definition
lou460
lou460lou460Lantana, Florida USA1 Threads 50 Posts
Albertaghost: A terrorist is s soldier of sorts as he or she serves a political master same as legitimate troops. They attack those who are weakest in order to propagate a message that nobody is safe so that others like the victims either demand action from the government to safe guard them or, lose confidence in their ability to do so. In either case, the government is weakened so that the political end of the terrorist's leaders can exploit the chaos.

Terrorism is a means, not an end.


Something like embargo's on civilian populations and sanctions against entire nations right Albert?
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Apr 21, 2012 9:20 PM CST Terrorism - the definition
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
lou460: Something like embargo's on civilian populations and sanctions against entire nations right Albert?


Not from any widely accepted definition of terrorism I've ever come across. Can you cite one accepted internationally that classifies legal actions by a state against another state as terrorism?
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Apr 21, 2012 9:37 PM CST Terrorism - the definition
cloud747
cloud747cloud747winnipeg, Manitoba Canada130 Threads 27 Polls 2,947 Posts
Albertaghost: Kofi Annan;

""Among my specific proposals in this area, I ask all states to complete, sign and implement the comprehensive convention on terrorism, based on a clear and agreed definition, as well as the convention on nuclear terrorism and the fissile material cut-off treaty,” he added.

The report backs the definition of terrorism – an issue so divisive agreement on it has long eluded the world community – as any action “intended to cause death or serious bodily harm to civilians or non-combatants with the purpose of intimidating a population or compelling a government or an international organization to do or abstain from doing any act. ""

Norway should sign the agreemen

So that's his, Bruce Hoffman (see creds below) has a list of what the criteria is to define terrorism.

On page 41 of his book 'Inside terrorism, 2 ed., Columbia University Press, 2006' he writes that what differentiates a terrorist from a criminal is that the act is;

""- ineluctably political in aims and motives
- violent – or, equally important, threatens violence
- designed to have far-reaching psychological repercussions beyond the immediate victim or target
- conducted by an organization with an identifiable chain of command or conspiratorial cell structure (whose members wear no uniform or identifying insignia) and
- perpetrated by a subnational group or non-state entity""

As for why people are so quick to call any violent act 'terrorism' he also writes on page 32;

""On one point, at least, everyone agrees: terrorism is a pejorative term. It is a word with intrinsically negative connotations that is generally applied to one's enemies and opponents, or to those with whom one disagrees and would otherwise prefer to ignore. What is called terrorism,' Brian Jenkins has written, 'thus seems to depend on one's point of view. Use of the term implies a moral judgment; and if one party can successfully attach the label terrorist to its opponent, then it has indirectly persuaded others to adopt its moral viewpoint.' Hence the decision to call someone or label some organization terrorist becomes almost unavoidably subjective, depending largely on whether one sympathizes with or opposes the person/group/cause concerned. If one identifies with the victim of the violence, for example, then the act is terrorism. If, however, one identifies with the perpetrator, the violent act is regarded in a more sympathetic, if not positive (or, at the worst, an ambivalent) light; and it is not terrorism.""

Then there is state terrorism. Acts such as the German Bombing of London or the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima which might fall under this as they fit Hoffman's criteria to affect political change however, they were at the time conducted by uniformed national entities.

In any case, normally a nation does not conduct terrorism as it instead conducts warfare within legal boundaries and, uses force rather than terror to implement it's will with terror as an unnecessary by product rather than the prime motive.

So, my question is, what is your widely accepted definition for terrorism?

""Professor Bruce Hoffman has been studying terrorism and insurgency for more than thirty years. He is currently Director of the Center for Peace and Security Studies, Director of the Security Studies Program, and a tenured professor at Georgetown University’s Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service, Washington, DC. Professor Hoffman previously held the Corporate Chair in Counterterrorism and Counterinsurgency at the RAND Corporation and was also Director of RAND’s Washington, D.C. Office. From 2001 to 2004, he served as RAND’s Vice President for External Affairs and in 2004 he also was Acting Director of RAND’s Center for Middle East Public Policy. ""





NORWAY should sign the agreement too
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Apr 22, 2012 4:00 AM CST Terrorism - the definition
Albertaghost: Not from any widely accepted definition of terrorism I've ever come across. Can you cite one accepted internationally that classifies legal actions by a state against another state as terrorism?
damn that was a loaded question!laugh
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