Narrow Minded vs Personal Preference? (69)

Sep 5, 2012 11:11 AM CST Narrow Minded vs Personal Preference?
fifitheminx
fifitheminxfifitheminxDublin, Ireland35 Threads 4,039 Posts
Mariannette: I am sorry but this is not a fact....i know personally of two fathers who have their kids living with them...one through the normal family court system....the other through the social services.
I could also tell you of a situation very close to me whereby the child does not live with its mother and this was decided along with social workers. SO whereby your statement might sit for a lot of cases.....it by no means stands for ALL cases.....cos that FACT is just plain inaccurate.


i know of a dad who on the reports from social services gained full custody of his children also...

but on the equality side of this issue..

i also know of a father who after his wife died...led his children into a terrible life and social services claimed their hands were tied to removing them from his care....so it happens with men also..

these cases arent highlighted but its happening on both sides.

unfortunately..people who work in social services/family support cannot discuss their work outside of work..im sure if someone here had a friend who was a family support worker they could tell u that they and the social workers often go home feeling sick knowing because of laws and acts they often have to leave children behind in situations where their gut tells them its wrong but the needed proof is just not there.

and they feel as sick as a dog and are screwed up when something like this happens..

as u stated earlier...we know nothing of this poor childs situation and its not for us to judge either.. we need action..not condemnation and sneering.

sorry maddog for joining in the hijack but i had to.
Sep 5, 2012 11:14 AM CST Narrow Minded vs Personal Preference?
sharmini: Thread: Yet another CHILD dies because of Social workers

Now can we leave it at that until we know the facts?



I guess we can yes. But when we know the facts can we get a lynch-mob together? with pitchforks and burning torches?


bouquet
Sep 5, 2012 11:38 AM CST Narrow Minded vs Personal Preference?
whitepaws
whitepawswhitepawsDock of the bay, Galway Ireland24 Threads 4 Polls 459 Posts
Mariannette: I am sorry but this is not a fact....i know personally of two fathers who have their kids living with them...one through the normal family court system....the other through the social services.
I could also tell you of a situation very close to me whereby the child does not live with its mother and this was decided along with social workers. SO whereby your statement might sit for a lot of cases.....it by no means stands for ALL cases.....cos that FACT is just plain inaccurate.


If you can prove ...or seeing as though your an honest poster ...tell me that the Fathers were given the kids without a court and without a solicitor then i will for a whole week sing your praises ......

I stick by the Fact that without a court order or a damn good solicitor Social workers WILL give the child/ren to the mother ....of this I am 100%
Sep 5, 2012 11:41 AM CST Narrow Minded vs Personal Preference?
whitepaws
whitepawswhitepawsDock of the bay, Galway Ireland24 Threads 4 Polls 459 Posts
sofarsogood74: You can assume what you want. You can assume Aliens exist...its not proof! This discussion started when you said I twisted faces comment. I proved to you that I twised nothing. He made up complete lies. He never said he was assuming anything. He stated the father was thrown out and the courts favoured the mother. This without a shred of proof that there even was a cort case or why the parents were living seperately!!!
Thats not a fact. If the mother has mental heath issues, has addiction issues she may not get the kids. But again you are asSuming the father wanted custody!!! The tradition of the family would suggest the father would not rear kids!
Its not fair to assume anything. No matter how many caps you use. You dont know the facts of the case!!

And as I said this discussion started when you said I twisted what face said. He said the fater was thrown out like it was fact and the courts favoured the mother like it was fact. This was to try and ram home his anti women view. This was sick in my opinion. There is no tragedy or event he wont use!

And then I asked you to point out where in the article it said such "facts". You couldn't! End of story!!!!!



I am curious whos being more honest here ...Myself for stating my Assumptions on what maybe ....

Or yourself stating fact on what may not be

dunno

Please prove to me the opposite and seeing as though you have Fact on your side state where you can prove that daddy wasnt kicked out ..that daddy wasnt the better parent

dunno
Sep 5, 2012 11:44 AM CST Narrow Minded vs Personal Preference?
whitepaws
whitepawswhitepawsDock of the bay, Galway Ireland24 Threads 4 Polls 459 Posts
sharmini: Thread: Yet another CHILD dies because of Social workers

Now can we leave it at that until we know the facts?




Agreed thumbs up
Sep 5, 2012 11:49 AM CST Narrow Minded vs Personal Preference?
whitepaws: If you can prove ...or seeing as though your an honest poster ...tell me that the Fathers were given the kids without a court and without a solicitor then i will for a whole week sing your praises ......

I stick by the Fact that without a court order or a damn good solicitor Social workers WILL give the child/ren to the mother ....of this I am 100%


In the latter two cases I mentioned, no courts nor solicitors were used or needed.
And in the first, it was a case of the mother walking out, so it was a open shut case as to who got the children in that one. That father was in a better place both financially, emotionally and responsibly to care for his children over their mother.
Sep 5, 2012 11:49 AM CST Narrow Minded vs Personal Preference?
whitepaws
whitepawswhitepawsDock of the bay, Galway Ireland24 Threads 4 Polls 459 Posts
fifitheminx: i know of a dad who on the reports from social services gained full custody of his children also...

but on the equality side of this issue..

i also know of a father who after his wife died...led his children into a terrible life and social services claimed their hands were tied to removing them from his care....so it happens with men also..

these cases arent highlighted but its happening on both sides.

unfortunately..people who work in social services/family support cannot discuss their work outside of work..im sure if someone here had a friend who was a family support worker they could tell u that they and the social workers often go home feeling sick knowing because of laws and acts they often have to leave children behind in situations where their gut tells them its wrong but the needed proof is just not there.

and they feel as sick as a dog and are screwed up when something like this happens..

as u stated earlier...we know nothing of this poor childs situation and its not for us to judge either.. we need action..not condemnation and sneering.

sorry maddog for joining in the hijack but i had to.



Ask a Teacher if they would feel comfortable talking to a social worker....3 head masters have told me they prep their younger teachers when a social worker comes by in order to prevent any damage to the teachers careers in the future ....

You say thay may feel sick as a dog then let them try to change the system rather than support it .....
Sep 5, 2012 11:52 AM CST Narrow Minded vs Personal Preference?
whitepaws
whitepawswhitepawsDock of the bay, Galway Ireland24 Threads 4 Polls 459 Posts
Mariannette: In the latter two cases I mentioned, no courts nor solicitors were used or needed.
And in the first, it was a case of the mother walking out, so it was a open shut case as to who got the children in that one. That father was in a better place both financially, emotionally and responsibly to care for his children over their mother.




uh oh right then and i have to presume you havent ommited anything crying crying

You are the most wonderful person i have ever seen and a true angel of compassion whose beauty should be adorned the world over ....mumbling
Sep 5, 2012 12:30 PM CST Narrow Minded vs Personal Preference?
MarsMan
MarsManMarsManBobbing along, Cork Ireland29 Threads 8 Polls 981 Posts
I can't be bothered reading all 5 pages, anyway.....religious beliefs per say have never really entered into it for me, it is how the person uses those beliefs that would be a problem.
I would be very reluctant to start going to church just because someone wants me too, on the flip side, I wouldn't ask them to refrain from going.
As long as they are a decent person, that is all that matters to me.
Unfortunately Ireland, by and large, is still subject to Catholic doctrines and practices that permeate all levels of society.
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