What can we really do to curb Binge drinking (16)

Sep 7, 2012 5:58 AM CST What can we really do to curb Binge drinking
whitepaws
whitepawswhitepawsDock of the bay, Galway Ireland24 Threads 4 Polls 459 Posts
Im sure weve all noticed a increase in binge drinking and know someone who has a problem that wont admit to it...

In portugal a couple who went on a bender couldnt even stand up or talk and Police removed their child ..these were Teachers who are expected to be professional people ....

So what can we really do to curb drinking dunno

heres the extract taken from todays eircom news page

Portugal police: UK couple 'abandoned toddler as they went drinking'

on 07/09/2012 11:03:02



An investigation is under way into claims a two-year-old girl was abandoned near a busy road in Portugal as her British parents were drunk in a nearby café.

Police said they were called to reports the child was alone in her buggy in the village of Carcavelos near the capital Lisbon at about 8pm on Tuesday.

Her parents, said to be English teachers living in Portugal, were later found 100 metres away in a café called Manhas do Chocolate.

On a statement on its website, the Policia Seguranca Publica (PSP) said the couple were in an advanced state of intoxication.

The girl was fed soup and water at the café before she was taken to a police station where she was given a meal of fish and vegetables.

She was kept overnight in an emergency reception centre for minors, PSP added.

A photograph of the youngster being fed by a woman police officer was posted on PSP's Facebook page.

Later, local officer Rui Vasconcelos told Portuguese TV station TV124 that the parents, aged about 40, came to the police station the following morning to inquire about their daughter after they were reportedly unable to speak properly the evening before.

He said they still appeared to be under the influence of alcohol.

Both were asked for documentation to prove they were the child's parents and then left the station without their daughter, who is apparently still in care.

The officer said: "The case will be evaluated by the judicial authorities."

A staff member at Manhas do Chocolate, who did not want to be named, told The Sun: "I arrived at work around 7.30pm. The mother looked completely out of it and the father also looked very strange.

"The mother was incapable of standing up. I was told there had been an incident earlier when the girl had got out of her buggy."

Local reports said the couple had been rowing in the café and that the girl had nearly been hit a car while playing around the tree-lined square.

A spokesman for the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office said: "We are aware of the case in Portugal involving a British national. We are providing consular assistance to the family."
Sep 7, 2012 6:18 AM CST What can we really do to curb Binge drinking
MermaidDreams
MermaidDreamsMermaidDreamsOffaly, Ireland1 Threads 1 Polls 800 Posts
That's an awful thing to have happened, disgusting, in fact but it's not the first time and won't be the last either. Some people should not have kids but that's another story.

I really don't know if there's anything we can do to curb binge drinking but I know for a fact that in Portugal alcohol is too cheap in many places. I doubt that if it was 'really expensive' it would make a whole lot of difference, those who are very fond of the drink will always find a way of paying for it. Not serving alcohol to adults who have children in their company would be a good thing if only it were possible.
Sep 7, 2012 6:53 AM CST What can we really do to curb Binge drinking
sofarsogood74
sofarsogood74sofarsogood74Dublin, Ireland40 Threads 4 Polls 2,711 Posts
whitepaws: Im sure weve all noticed a increase in binge drinking and know someone who has a problem that wont admit to it...

In portugal a couple who went on a bender couldnt even stand up or talk and Police removed their child ..these were Teachers who are expected to be professional people ....

So what can we really do to curb drinking


There is nothing we can really do for this generation. We need to educate kids from an early age about drinking and its downsides.

As for the couple being professionals....Alocoholism doesn't care what your job is or your background...A lot alcoholics are from professional classes. 1 in 10 people has a problem with addiction and are born that way. We have addiction centres in our brain and in 1 in 10 of us it works differently than others.
Sep 7, 2012 7:23 AM CST What can we really do to curb Binge drinking
fifitheminx
fifitheminxfifitheminxDublin, Ireland35 Threads 4,039 Posts
sofarsogood74: There is nothing we can really do for this generation. We need to educate kids from an early age about drinking and its downsides.

As for the couple being professionals....Alocoholism doesn't care what your job is or your background...A lot alcoholics are from professional classes. 1 in 10 people has a problem with addiction and are born that way. We have addiction centres in our brain and in 1 in 10 of us it works differently than others.


my mother who will have a drink every so often taught me how to drink slowly over a couple of years..at family occasions, the gentle approach..like ill do with my kids..they may take on board my way..or they may end up drunk, half naked spas u see round town on a sat night but least i attempted and tried to install a little bit of dignity into them.

drinking with ur kids..

well recently at a family bbq i had a couple of fruit cocktails that had rum in it..what an eye opener...im a mother of 3 kids..12 to 4..and never drank in their company ever before and very much doubt i would often or even again..even at 2 drinks..i wasnt their mother u dont have the same feel about u.

it quickly sobers u up.

binge drinking is nothig to do with price..its attitude.
Sep 7, 2012 7:38 AM CST What can we really do to curb Binge drinking
fifitheminx
fifitheminxfifitheminxDublin, Ireland35 Threads 4,039 Posts
yep..they have a culture where u can dine out as a family..none this sloppy malarky

irelands attitude to drink stinks..jesus if u go to the pub and dont drink people ask u 2 questions and assume a third..

are u driving? are u pregnant? and if u say no to them 2..ur an alco...

haha..ur the alco when they are the one off their face...hilarious.
Sep 7, 2012 7:40 AM CST What can we really do to curb Binge drinking
sofarsogood74
sofarsogood74sofarsogood74Dublin, Ireland40 Threads 4 Polls 2,711 Posts
fifitheminx: yep..they have a culture where u can dine out as a family..none this sloppy malarky

irelands attitude to drink stinks..jesus if u go to the pub and dont drink people ask u 2 questions and assume a third..

are u driving? are u pregnant? and if u say no to them 2..ur an alco...

haha..ur the alco when they are the one off their face...hilarious.


rolling on the floor laughing

So true. I have been asked so many times when I'm on the 7up's if I'm an Alco. Like you can't sit in a boozer without a drink unless you're an alcoholic.

But it's people with that attitude tend to have the problems themselves.laugh
Sep 7, 2012 10:24 AM CST What can we really do to curb Binge drinking
KNenagh
KNenaghKNenaghAachen, Kilkenny Ireland12 Threads 11,160 Posts
I presume education is one way, alcohol is cheaper on the continent, but people there seem to be able to go out for 1 or 2 drinks and not getting completely langers.

Higher punishment for drink/driving, it's still happening too much here and if you know the local guard, many people seem to get away with it. I think people would think twice if their license would be taken away.

In the case of that couple - I hope the local HSE will have a look and see if that child should even be with them or is better off in foster care.
Sep 7, 2012 10:35 AM CST What can we really do to curb Binge drinking
francistheman123
francistheman123francistheman123Dublin, Ireland5 Threads 29 Posts
offer more social options for entertainment that don't revolve around pubs or clubs. if you want to meet your friends and have a laugh on a friday or saturday evenings what other choice do you have.
Sep 7, 2012 1:55 PM CST What can we really do to curb Binge drinking
francistheman123: offer more social options for entertainment that don't revolve around pubs or clubs. if you want to meet your friends and have a laugh on a friday or saturday evenings what other choice do you have.

There's loads of social options. It's up to people to use them. The pool rooms in Ranelagh and Camden Street do have loads of people in them. Nothing like a hot chick reaching over a table for that difficult corner pocket.
You can go Karting with yer mates.

You can go fishing.

You can go paragliding.

You can go surfing and camping.

You can go bowling.

Problem is though in a loose group of friends not everyone likes to do all of them things.
Sep 7, 2012 2:48 PM CST What can we really do to curb Binge drinking
facetowardsfront
facetowardsfrontfacetowardsfrontCork, Ireland42 Threads 1 Polls 2,921 Posts
More Laws!

Oh Lord God of Socialism give us more laws

We need more regulation and inspection

Licencing and controls

Give us today or daily supervision

And lead us not into free thinking
Sep 7, 2012 2:53 PM CST What can we really do to curb Binge drinking
Fraya
FrayaFrayaCork, Ireland1 Threads 3,762 Posts
facetowardsfront: More Laws!

Oh Lord God of Socialism give us more laws

We need more regulation and inspection

Licencing and controls

Give us today or daily supervision

And lead us not into free thinking


rolling on the floor laughing
Forgive us our imagination
and lead us to your subservience
Amen
Sep 7, 2012 7:13 PM CST What can we really do to curb Binge drinking
facetowardsfront
facetowardsfrontfacetowardsfrontCork, Ireland42 Threads 1 Polls 2,921 Posts
It seems to be a very British thing to take you children to Portugal and abandon them while going drinking. At least this one was found before it had a nasty fall off the back of a sofa like Maddie McCann.
Sep 8, 2012 5:02 AM CST What can we really do to curb Binge drinking
ohwiseone
ohwiseoneohwiseoneDerry, Donegal Ireland5 Threads 2 Polls 1,631 Posts
Im sure weve all noticed a increase in binge drinking and know someone who has a problem that wont admit to it...

We can teach our children to drink socially, (if they choose to drink) by both example and guidance. My dad has never drank but yet was a realist and taught us to drink socially, and preferred this to happen within the home. (of course at a certain age) pre this age he would talk rather than shout (to those who tried alcohol, not me I was a daddies girl) innocent very happy
I took the same route with my kids, when my son first tried drink, I was gutted and he was remorseful for letting us down and losing our trust. I talked to him openly and honestly about why I wanted him to wait, the dangers, my concerns, the physical damage, my love for him etc and I ask him based on these reasons to make an agreement that he would wait until a certain age and we would discuss it again, we also agreed when/if he decided to try drink again it would be in my company at first at a occasional family gathering and NEVER on the streets with his mates. I also informed him that we all make mistakes, the important thing is to learn from them and he was not to crucify himself over one mistake and that trust can always be re-established.
I also told him as his mum I needed him to give me time to adjust to him growing up and I began from this day to not only view my son as my boy but a boy becoming a young man. In my job this is easy, with my own kids this was tough but so beneficial, hard to let go and let them make their own mistakes.
My daughter only has the odd cider at xmas, she is 19 and away at uni, but a young woman with her own mind very happy
I never drank until I was 21 and then always sensibly. angel (ok occasionally screwed up, but I was young, ok well maybe not so young) lol
Sep 8, 2012 5:31 AM CST What can we really do to curb Binge drinking
ohwiseone:
My daughter only has the odd cider at xmas, she is 19 and away at uni, but a young woman with her own mind

19 eh? Does she have Mammy's legs? devil

Haha the odd Cider at Xmas. Some of ye mothers are so naive. Yis think yer childers are angels and saints.
Sep 8, 2012 8:40 AM CST What can we really do to curb Binge drinking
whitepaws
whitepawswhitepawsDock of the bay, Galway Ireland24 Threads 4 Polls 459 Posts
A lot of A&Es around the country come the weekend packed full to the rafters with pissed lunatics.some of the lunatics may have serious injury but if a sober person has the exact same injury they will be seen after them as the pisshead is more of a risk.


I have to say the TV commercials showing the captions of people fighting in an A&E ward to laughter that suddenly stops and people being scared is brilliant ....

They need to keep showing these and maybe show kids at school this kind of graphic behaviour in their classes
Sep 8, 2012 9:10 AM CST What can we really do to curb Binge drinking
whitepaws: A lot of A&Es around the country come the weekend packed full to the rafters with pissed lunatics.some of the lunatics may have serious injury but if a sober person has the exact same injury they will be seen after them as the pisshead is more of a risk.I have to say the TV commercials showing the captions of people fighting in an A&E ward to laughter that suddenly stops and people being scared is brilliant ....

They need to keep showing these and maybe show kids at school this kind of graphic behaviour in their classes


I agree I like this ad, although I do feel it could be a little more graphic without being those horrible ones we turn over when they come on.

As for what to do.....I am not sure. My parents always advocated responsible drinking and from 16+ my father usually picked us from from the niteclub. We'd never have more than 2 or 3 and same with all our friends who he would drop home too.
Ive seen my mother drunk twice in my entire life and my dad the same.

When I was 19 though, I had my one and only episode of backout from drinking too much. Have vague recollections of that evening but thats it. I know how much I drank that night....so I can only imagine what other people who seemingly frequently have backouts, how much they actually must consume to reach that point.

I did drink quite a bit in my mid 20's. I had a great job that took me all over the country, moving towns every 6-8 months so my social life was hetic. I had my own money and no responsibilities. I didnt care once I made it into work the next day and had enough money left for the next night out.

For me, my turning point came when i was pregnant and I couldnt tolerate the smell of it. I now drink very little, although on a rare occasion I will over indulge. But even then I will always finish the night on 7up or water. ANd I have never ever been drunk round my son and he's never seen me with a hangover either.
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