will china be the next super power? ( Archived) (98)

Nov 4, 2012 1:46 AM CST will china be the next super power?
Super-power is a concept from old times. I do not care what name can suit China in the present situation as a power but I know they are poised for global hegemony. I do not knwo why some people take the statement that the US is in tatters (as an old superpower)as anti-US islamist propaganda. That is bloody bigotry.
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Nov 4, 2012 1:52 AM CST will china be the next super power?
lostinspace
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Nov 4, 2012 1:52 AM CST will china be the next super power?
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
Antjo39: Super-power is a concept from old times.


So what is the concept or accepted definition then?

Antjo39: I do not care what name can suit China in the present situation as a power but I know they are poised for global hegemony.


I agree with you on the hegemony aspect but really, I don't want to deal with circuitous arguments based on a fantasy as to what a superpower is or is not so we should at least figure that part out prior to hitting page 50 don't you agree?

Antjo39: I do not knwo why some people take the statement that the US is in tatters (as an old superpower)as anti-US islamist propaganda. That is bloody bigotry.


Worse. It's severely misinformed and silly. The mother of bigotry.professor
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Nov 4, 2012 10:07 AM CST will china be the next super power?
Albertaghost: My idea of a superpower is a country that has cheap hotels but that's hardly a valid accepted political criteria. I'm hoping to establish a base point whereby we can actually have a discussion about whether China is about to a superpower or not. Heck, maybe they just have cheap hotels but really, there must be something more to the mix than that.


and therein to come full circle is my opinion that they already are a superpower. it comes to mind to BE mindful of why they are expanding imports of natural resources, like coal. and whether such imports have increased dramatically and what they will be used for.
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Nov 4, 2012 10:08 AM CST will china be the next super power?
tajammal333: yes china will be next super power because America is fighting with the Muslin world and this war will destroy America financially and China is concentrating on china's progress and becoming biggest economic power of the world to rule world economic power is most effective then the armed power and China is not only progressing in economic power but also in armed power
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Nov 4, 2012 10:11 AM CST will china be the next super power?
Antjo39: Super-power is a concept from old times. I do not care what name can suit China in the present situation as a power but I know they are poised for global hegemony. I do not knwo why some people take the statement that the US is in tatters (as an old superpower)as anti-US islamist propaganda. That is bloody bigotry.


yes it is silly and it is their typical hate speech and an prime example why these nations are NOT poised to become superpowers

but once again peeps China already IS a superpower so I suppose perhaps the OP needs some refinement??dancing




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Nov 4, 2012 8:57 PM CST will china be the next super power?
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
felixis99: and therein to come full circle is my opinion that they already are a superpower. it comes to mind to BE mindful of why they are expanding imports of natural resources, like coal. and whether such imports have increased dramatically and what they will be used for.


So you say they are a superpower (whatever that is as nobody has provided a definition which is widely accepted)because they buy stuff.

So would Wal Mart shoppers be a superpower?
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Nov 5, 2012 4:12 AM CST will china be the next super power?
Halv0
Halv0Halv0Marcoola, Queensland Australia19 Threads 766 Posts
engr4u: i am not just here to hurt any one here.. Just to take an opinion..:
as we are seeing that america is suffering of financial crisis nowadays.. Now american is not that america which was a decade ago.. Due to some reasons america having alot of problems nowadays.. US in engaged almost in every war nowadays and losing its financial strengh.. China is nowadays a fact and the strong economy in the world and also improving day by day.. Recently i was seeing a news in BBC that china also propose US 10 billion dollars to Latin america countries.. So would you think is china will be the next super power???


Have you ever seen the Chinese with wearing red underpants on the outside, a red cape, and a bit "S" on their chest? Then they probably won't be a Super Power.....
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Nov 5, 2012 4:27 AM CST will china be the next super power?
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Halv0: Have you ever seen the Chinese with wearing red underpants on the outside, a red cape, and a bit "S" on their chest? Then they probably won't be a Super Power.....


While Western central banks have frittered away their gold, China is quietly building up its reserves.

China is the world’s largest gold producer.

And yet – according to various sources – gold bullion brokers have not seen any gold coming from China.

In other words, China is producing more gold than any other country, but isn’t exporting any of it.

As such, China is quietly becoming a gold superpower.

Note: China has a habit of being quiet for several years at a time, and then announcing big increases in gold holdings. So quoting old numbers will only mean that one is caught flat-footed as to China’s current holdings.
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Nov 5, 2012 11:42 PM CST will china be the next super power?
Albertaghost
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tomcatwarne: While Western central banks have frittered away their gold, China is quietly building up its reserves.

China is the world’s largest gold producer.

And yet – according to various sources – gold bullion brokers have not seen any gold coming from China.

In other words, China is producing more gold than any other country, but isn’t exporting any of it.

As such, China is quietly becoming a gold superpower.

Note: China has a habit of being quiet for several years at a time, and then announcing big increases in gold holdings. So quoting old numbers will only mean that one is caught flat-footed as to China’s current holdings.


The world has an estimated 8 trillion in gold total. China's economy is 11 trillion and the US 15. Gold won't back either and, considering the rest of the world has a lot of gold as well what they come up with won't effect a lot.
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Nov 5, 2012 11:56 PM CST will china be the next super power?
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
12) Portugal holds 382.5 tonnes.
Surprisingly, one of the PIIGS nations (Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece, Spain), Portugal, is also a top holder of gold. The European nation has a population of almost 11 million people. Does this go back to the days of its empire building ambitions, or is it because the nation was able to remain neutral in World War II?

If Portugal is really in such dire straights, perhaps the Europeans could start demanding that Portugal pledge some of its gold reserves to bolster its finances. Portugal has already been a part of the prior Central Bank Gold Agreement as a seller in recent years, so it seems logical that the nation would be selling to hold up on its debt and entitlement obligations.

11) Taiwan holds 423.6 tonnes.
Taiwan is another surprise as one of the world’s largest gold holders. It has a vast electronics sector, and maybe its high gold holdings help it stay financially relevant in its long ongoing confrontation with China. The nation is already considered wealthier than many neighboring countries on a per capita basis. The accumulation of gold by China makes it unlikely Taiwan would sell much gold now.

10) India holds 557.7 tonnes.
India’s gold holdings are still officially the same as they were at the beginning of the year, but it seems likely that it will increase its central bank holdings. The nation has about 1.2 billion people and its economy is growing — even though the government has fought inflation in 2011.

Gold is so entrenched in Indian culture that India is likely to continue accumulating more. Almost one-third of the world’s jewelry demand comes from India, and the country acquired 200 tonnes of the IMF gold sales in late-2010. India would seem to be a buyer of gold not just in 2012, but in the years ahead.

9) The Netherlands holds 612.5 tonnes.
Another relatively small nation with only 16.6 million people is ranked as a top holder of gold. The nation used to hold even more gold but it was a seller of gold from at least 2003 to 2008 under the Central Bank Gold Agreement in Europe. The country’s gold holdings seem unlikely to change very much in 2012.

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8 ) Japan holds 765.2 tonnes.
Japan has had to deal with two decades of a sluggish economy and its currency is considered a safe-haven for international investors. The Japanese people are known for keeping cash under their mattresses. The yen feels inflated with its huge debt-to-GDP and no growth. Prices for Japanese goods are getting too expensive for foreigners due to the strength of the Yen. The country is also still recovering from its tsunami and nuclear incident from earlier in 2011. Perhaps Japan will have proven to be a seller in 2011 rather than trying to bolster its foreign currency reserves. If not, maybe it should be.

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7) Russia holds 851.5 tonnes.
Russia has been gobbling up gold to bolster the ruble in the past and this appears to be the case this year as well. The new figure of 851.5 tonnes of gold compares to a previous figure earlier this year of 784.1 tonnes. The council had also noted earlier that Russia accumulated some 120 tonnes during the first 10 months of 2010, and that was after adding over 100 tonnes in 2009 and almost 70 tonnes in 2007. The new figure was because of increased purchases after the prior cut-off date. With Russia having vast oil and commodity reserves and with Russia aiming to increase its clout in the world as a financial powerhouse, it seems a shoe-in that it will have proven itself as a buyer of gold into 2012.
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Nov 6, 2012 12:00 AM CST will china be the next super power?
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
6) Switzerland holds 1,040.1 tonnes.
Switzerland already had to take measures earlier this year to halt the appreciation of the Swiss franc. It is hard to imagine that the nation would be buying gold to prop up its currency even after considering reports in recent years that it ran out of places to securely store gold. Switzerland sold gold under the Central Bank Gold Agreement from 2003 to 2008 before the great gold rush. With a mere 7.6 million people, how much gold does the nation really need? This country could easily lighten up on its gold reserves without its benchmark currency status being challenged.

5) China holds 1,054.1 tonnes.
China has added and added to its gold reserves. There is no reason to expect that to abate, particularly after Barron’s pointed that China is seeking a reserve currency status in the generation ahead. China has a population of 1.3 billion people and a fast-growing economy. The country also bought more than 450 tonnes of gold from 2003 to 2009 and 200 tonnes or more during 2010. With the pressure to get away from the dollar peg, assuring the value of the yuan only leaves the purchase of gold or other hard assets.

4) France holds 2,435.4 tonnes.
The French are not in the same boat as Italy and the rest of the PIIGS, but predicting what will happen with France’s gold reserves is very difficult. With a debt rating downgrade possibly coming down the pipe, France is the second largest foundation of the euro and of the European Union. The nation was part of the Central Bank Gold Agreement as a seller, but this was all before the major run-up in gold and before its own finances have come under question during the European debt crisis. It seems that more light selling is expected, although maybe the nation needs more hard assets as a reserve.
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Nov 6, 2012 12:13 AM CST will china be the next super power?
World official gold holding (December 2010)

European Union (incl. ECB) 10,787.4

followed by America at 8133.5

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Nov 6, 2012 12:20 AM CST will china be the next super power?
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
robplum: World official gold holding (December 2010)

European Union (incl. ECB) 10,787.4

followed by America at 8133.5



""The total value of all gold ever mined would exceed US$10.1 trillion at that valuation.""

Yep makes sense , your article is updated and mine not. My point is still valid.

Thanks!handshake
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Nov 6, 2012 12:25 AM CST will china be the next super power?
Yeah the Chinese have no where near combined holdings, in there dreams maybe... kidding themselves
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Nov 6, 2012 12:27 AM CST will china be the next super power?
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
robplum: World official gold holding (December 2010)

European Union (incl. ECB) 10,787.4

followed by America at 8133.5




You just pipped me on that information, with some Americans poopooing the EU in the election debates on here, it is gratifying to know the EEC is the richest Union in the world, even more gold reserves than the US.cheering
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Nov 6, 2012 12:38 AM CST will china be the next super power?
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
tomcatwarne: You just pipped me on that information, with some Americans poopooing the EU in the election debates on here, it is gratifying to know the EEC is the richest Union in the world, even more gold reserves than the US.


They have nukes too! And only takes a dozen of them to make up the union the US already has as one nation.

Maybe this thread should be - 'Will the dozen or so nations of the EU become the nest superpower?'
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Nov 6, 2012 12:41 AM CST will china be the next super power?
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Albertaghost: They have nukes too! And only takes a dozen of them to make up the union the US already has as one nation.

Maybe this thread should be - 'Will the dozen or so nations of the EU become the nest superpower?'


Well I guess we are, just gotta get our act togethergrin grin
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