Drink Driving (19)
I can see both sides of the argument.
Drink driving is dangerous, but we do have the problem of isolation in rural areas. I used to drive a bus to pick some of these people up to bring them to nearest main town during the day and I tell you I had to go down some very long lonely roads, miles away from any shop, post office, doctor's surgery, or pub. And when I say miles, I mean miles.
However I have my doubts about this vote as number of people who passed this are actually publicans.
Maybe we should look at laws to legalise the shebeen, or local drinking clubs. The law would allow them to be set up relatively easy, but they would have restricted hours in that they could only open in the evening and closed at midnight. They could not be set up within 2km of an existing pub, and they would only have a limited number of drinks available and all drinkers would have to be a member and over a certain age, say forty.
They would have a limited size, and would be have facilities to play cards, a bit of live music (one or two musicians),
I know there are practical problems with this, but it maybe a novel idea to a growing problem of isolation and suicide.
Drink driving is dangerous, but we do have the problem of isolation in rural areas. I used to drive a bus to pick some of these people up to bring them to nearest main town during the day and I tell you I had to go down some very long lonely roads, miles away from any shop, post office, doctor's surgery, or pub. And when I say miles, I mean miles.
However I have my doubts about this vote as number of people who passed this are actually publicans.
Maybe we should look at laws to legalise the shebeen, or local drinking clubs. The law would allow them to be set up relatively easy, but they would have restricted hours in that they could only open in the evening and closed at midnight. They could not be set up within 2km of an existing pub, and they would only have a limited number of drinks available and all drinkers would have to be a member and over a certain age, say forty.
They would have a limited size, and would be have facilities to play cards, a bit of live music (one or two musicians),
I know there are practical problems with this, but it maybe a novel idea to a growing problem of isolation and suicide.
abitunlucky: I can see both sides of the argument.
Drink driving is dangerous, but we do have the problem of isolation in rural areas. I used to drive a bus to pick some of these people up to bring them to nearest main town during the day and I tell you I had to go down some very long lonely roads, miles away from any shop, post office, doctor's surgery, or pub. And when I say miles, I mean miles.
However I have my doubts about this vote as number of people who passed this are actually publicans.
Maybe we should look at laws to legalise the shebeen, or local drinking clubs. The law would allow them to be set up relatively easy, but they would have restricted hours in that they could only open in the evening and closed at midnight. They could not be set up within 2km of an existing pub, and they would only have a limited number of drinks available and all drinkers would have to be a member and over a certain age, say forty.
They would have a limited size, and would be have facilities to play cards, a bit of live music (one or two musicians),
I know there are practical problems with this, but it maybe a novel idea to a growing problem of isolation and suicide.
Drink driving is dangerous, but we do have the problem of isolation in rural areas. I used to drive a bus to pick some of these people up to bring them to nearest main town during the day and I tell you I had to go down some very long lonely roads, miles away from any shop, post office, doctor's surgery, or pub. And when I say miles, I mean miles.
However I have my doubts about this vote as number of people who passed this are actually publicans.
Maybe we should look at laws to legalise the shebeen, or local drinking clubs. The law would allow them to be set up relatively easy, but they would have restricted hours in that they could only open in the evening and closed at midnight. They could not be set up within 2km of an existing pub, and they would only have a limited number of drinks available and all drinkers would have to be a member and over a certain age, say forty.
They would have a limited size, and would be have facilities to play cards, a bit of live music (one or two musicians),
I know there are practical problems with this, but it maybe a novel idea to a growing problem of isolation and suicide.
There are plenty more options. The publicans could hire a mini bus to bring people home. They customers could take it in turn to be the designated driver. And why to people need to drink? If they are lonely and need some company then go to the pub and have a soft drink or cup of tea. There is no law saying you have to drink alcohol in a pub.
This vote was a vote by publicans to try and legalise drink driving in their area. It was a selfish and dangerous vote with no care for human life. Just their pockets.
sofarsogood74: A Kerry County Councillor has been defending his call for rural people to be given permits that would allow them to drink in moderation and drive afterwards.
The motion by Danny Healy-Rae was passed at a meeting yesterday by a margin of 5 (4 of them owned pubs)votes to 3.
The rest of the councillors were either absent or abstained.
He says permit holders would have to keep their speed down and stick to infrequently used roads
What planet are these men on? I heard him on the radio how people in rural areas need to meet up in the pub as its the only place to get some company and talk "business". Now maybe that's the truth but who says you can't have a soft drink and chat with neighbours? It's unbelieveable that there are still people out there that think it's OK to drink drive in certain areas or circumstances.
I am wondering which insurance company would cover these permit holders and if there was an incident, who would be held responsible ?The motion by Danny Healy-Rae was passed at a meeting yesterday by a margin of 5 (4 of them owned pubs)votes to 3.
The rest of the councillors were either absent or abstained.
He says permit holders would have to keep their speed down and stick to infrequently used roads
What planet are these men on? I heard him on the radio how people in rural areas need to meet up in the pub as its the only place to get some company and talk "business". Now maybe that's the truth but who says you can't have a soft drink and chat with neighbours? It's unbelieveable that there are still people out there that think it's OK to drink drive in certain areas or circumstances.
I'm wondering why I live in Canada at all.
The province of British Columbia went to zero tolerance, which means if you sniff a wine cork and drive, you hang.
The one thing is, there is no room for error, you drink, you don't drive, but talk about extremism. All things in moderation....you'd think we became the US or Saudia Arabia overnight!
The province of British Columbia went to zero tolerance, which means if you sniff a wine cork and drive, you hang.
The one thing is, there is no room for error, you drink, you don't drive, but talk about extremism. All things in moderation....you'd think we became the US or Saudia Arabia overnight!
kidatheart: I'm wondering why I live in Canada at all. The province of British Columbia went to zero tolerance, which means if you sniff a wine cork and drive, you hang.
The one thing is, there is no room for error, you drink, you don't drive, but talk about extremism. All things in moderation....you'd think we became the US or Saudia Arabia overnight!
The one thing is, there is no room for error, you drink, you don't drive, but talk about extremism. All things in moderation....you'd think we became the US or Saudia Arabia overnight!
The moment there's a measurable amount of alcohol in your blood stream, there's a measurable detriment in your driving performance. The detriment is in the form of over-compensation of errors. This has been found using driving simulators and double blind methodology (ie. neither the subjects, nor the experimenters are aware of the amount of alcohol, if any, there are in disguised drinks).
Zero tolerance does mean that the boundary is clear - allowing a small amount of alcohol allows someone to interpret an unclear boundary. There's the number of units in a drink, time for metabolising the alcohol, the size of the person, the metabolic rate of the person, blah, blah. In the absence of portable, personal blood testing, people not only guess, but guess when maybe their cognitive behavioural processing is compromised.
So, some people want some other people to have a permit to risk death of themselves, or others because its profitable for landlords, even if its astronomically expensive in terms of rescue services, eh?
what is the defination of rural?
and if i can dive through a rural area ok but end up in a urban/non rural area can i be charged or do i need to switch drivers
and if i can dive through a rural area ok but end up in a urban/non rural area can i be charged or do i need to switch drivers
if yer drinkin and drivin make sure ya dont spill any
sofarsogood74: A Kerry County Councillor has been defending his call for rural people to be given permits that would allow them to drink in moderation and drive afterwards.
The motion by Danny Healy-Rae was passed at a meeting yesterday by a margin of 5 (4 of them owned pubs)votes to 3.
The rest of the councillors were either absent or abstained.
He says permit holders would have to keep their speed down and stick to infrequently used roads
What planet are these men on? I heard him on the radio how people in rural areas need to meet up in the pub as its the only place to get some company and talk "business". Now maybe that's the truth but who says you can't have a soft drink and chat with neighbours? It's unbelieveable that there are still people out there that think it's OK to drink drive in certain areas or circumstances.
The motion by Danny Healy-Rae was passed at a meeting yesterday by a margin of 5 (4 of them owned pubs)votes to 3.
The rest of the councillors were either absent or abstained.
He says permit holders would have to keep their speed down and stick to infrequently used roads
What planet are these men on? I heard him on the radio how people in rural areas need to meet up in the pub as its the only place to get some company and talk "business". Now maybe that's the truth but who says you can't have a soft drink and chat with neighbours? It's unbelieveable that there are still people out there that think it's OK to drink drive in certain areas or circumstances.
That is just unreal !!
I live in a rural area and I drive if I want to go out so I dont drink alcohol why is that such a big deal for these people? Also some pubs one in particular that is local to me drops you home if you are in the pub at closing time for free. If the publicans want more business surely this would be a good idea for them rather than put people's lives at risk by giving permits for drink driving. Also other rural pubs do taxi sharing between customers so the cost is low with all those options there is no need for these permits
sofarsogood74: A Kerry County Councillor has been defending his call for rural people to be given permits that would allow them to drink in moderation and drive afterwards.
The motion by Danny Healy-Rae was passed at a meeting yesterday by a margin of 5 (4 of them owned pubs)votes to 3.
The rest of the councillors were either absent or abstained.
He says permit holders would have to keep their speed down and stick to infrequently used roads
What planet are these men on? I heard him on the radio how people in rural areas need to meet up in the pub as its the only place to get some company and talk "business". Now maybe that's the truth but who says you can't have a soft drink and chat with neighbours? It's unbelieveable that there are still people out there that think it's OK to drink drive in certain areas or circumstances.
Surely if these permits are allowed they would have to be available nationwide, be it rural or urban. Otherwise that would be discrimination. There are many isolated people in the cities too.Even the suggestion of these permits is ludicrous but that is typical of the small man with the cap.The motion by Danny Healy-Rae was passed at a meeting yesterday by a margin of 5 (4 of them owned pubs)votes to 3.
The rest of the councillors were either absent or abstained.
He says permit holders would have to keep their speed down and stick to infrequently used roads
What planet are these men on? I heard him on the radio how people in rural areas need to meet up in the pub as its the only place to get some company and talk "business". Now maybe that's the truth but who says you can't have a soft drink and chat with neighbours? It's unbelieveable that there are still people out there that think it's OK to drink drive in certain areas or circumstances.
jt3jo: Surely if these permits are allowed they would have to be available nationwide, be it rural or urban. Otherwise that would be discrimination. There are many isolated people in the cities too.Even the suggestion of these permits is ludicrous but that is typical of the small man with the cap.
many will say we dont understand...cos in dublin we have alsorts of public transport..
my bf local cabs wont go near his area on the weekend at busy times cos its too far out..
so we dont go out..or we dont drink..simples..
if suicide could be prevented by alcohol and company then why dont they invite their mates around n make up a camp bed if having a drink is that important...
typical ireland... lets fix the problem of suicide with drunk driving and killing off the taxi trade.
fifitheminx: many will say we dont understand...cos in dublin we have alsorts of public transport..
my bf local cabs wont go near his area on the weekend at busy times cos its too far out..
so we dont go out..or we dont drink..simples..
if suicide could be prevented by alcohol and company then why dont they invite their mates around n make up a camp bed if having a drink is that important...
typical ireland... lets fix the problem of suicide with drunk driving and killing off the taxi trade.
my bf local cabs wont go near his area on the weekend at busy times cos its too far out..
so we dont go out..or we dont drink..simples..
if suicide could be prevented by alcohol and company then why dont they invite their mates around n make up a camp bed if having a drink is that important...
typical ireland... lets fix the problem of suicide with drunk driving and killing off the taxi trade.
The motion was passed by 5 to 3 votes. 4 of the 5 who voted yes were publicans.
They are voting with their pocket. They could not care less about people in rural areas.Plus alcohol is a depressant so if you are felling depressed the worst thing you could do is drink.
Those Healy Rae lads are just bonkers...and not in a good way.
fifitheminx: many will say we dont understand...cos in dublin we have alsorts of public transport..
my bf local cabs wont go near his area on the weekend at busy times cos its too far out..
so we dont go out..or we dont drink..simples..
if suicide could be prevented by alcohol and company then why dont they invite their mates around n make up a camp bed if having a drink is that important...
typical ireland... lets fix the problem of suicide with drunk driving and killing off the taxi trade.
Well we all know the taxi trade is as good as dead for obvious reasons but, that,s another story. and yes, they should just have a few beers delivered and have slumber party. Tweed caps are compulsary. Hahamy bf local cabs wont go near his area on the weekend at busy times cos its too far out..
so we dont go out..or we dont drink..simples..
if suicide could be prevented by alcohol and company then why dont they invite their mates around n make up a camp bed if having a drink is that important...
typical ireland... lets fix the problem of suicide with drunk driving and killing off the taxi trade.
So 4 outa 5 owned pubs.....that kind of says it all, they don't really give a damn about rural isolation, just how much more profit they can make.
Of course the publicans could pay for a mini-bus themselves, but no, wait, that means eating into their profit margins, so of course they don't want to do that.
The Shebeens / drinking club idea isn't a bad one, but that would mean that publicans would lose even more business, so they won't go for that either.
The days of drink driving are long gone, consigned to the past where it belongs, I just wish the likes of the Healy-Reas would go with it.
Of course the publicans could pay for a mini-bus themselves, but no, wait, that means eating into their profit margins, so of course they don't want to do that.
The Shebeens / drinking club idea isn't a bad one, but that would mean that publicans would lose even more business, so they won't go for that either.
The days of drink driving are long gone, consigned to the past where it belongs, I just wish the likes of the Healy-Reas would go with it.
Interesting idea...!!!!...think law on drinking is best left where it is. I live down one of those country roads and going out just doesn't have the same appeal when u know u cant enjoy a drink ..but that's the way it goes.
What has been lost in rural Ireland is community...people built outside of town to enjoy privacy, nice views and MASSIVE houses.
Getting to know there neighbours is not high on their priority list.
This is what is missing and this is what is creating isolation in rural setting.:
What has been lost in rural Ireland is community...people built outside of town to enjoy privacy, nice views and MASSIVE houses.
Getting to know there neighbours is not high on their priority list.
This is what is missing and this is what is creating isolation in rural setting.:
This is the kind of hair brain scheme you would expect from the embarrassment that is the Healy-Rae dynasty.
Personally I think the limit should be zero, because if you have one, you'll always be tempted to chance another.
Personally I think the limit should be zero, because if you have one, you'll always be tempted to chance another.
scriobhneoir: This is the kind of hair brain scheme you would expect from the embarrassment that is the Healy-Rae dynasty.
Personally I think the limit should be zero, because if you have one, you'll always be tempted to chance another.
Personally I think the limit should be zero, because if you have one, you'll always be tempted to chance another.
well said Scriob
abitunlucky: I can see both sides of the argument.
Drink driving is dangerous, but we do have the problem of isolation in rural areas. I used to drive a bus to pick some of these people up to bring them to nearest main town during the day and I tell you I had to go down some very long lonely roads, miles away from any shop, post office, doctor's surgery, or pub. And when I say miles, I mean miles.
However I have my doubts about this vote as number of people who passed this are actually publicans.
Maybe we should look at laws to legalise the shebeen, or local drinking clubs. The law would allow them to be set up relatively easy, but they would have restricted hours in that they could only open in the evening and closed at midnight. They could not be set up within 2km of an existing pub, and they would only have a limited number of drinks available and all drinkers would have to be a member and over a certain age, say forty.
They would have a limited size, and would be have facilities to play cards, a bit of live music (one or two musicians),
I know there are practical problems with this, but it maybe a novel idea to a growing problem of isolation and suicide.
I agree eventhough I dont drink myself theres people living in the middle of know know where up on mountains where it would cost a small fortune to get a cab to the pub not to mention the increase in suicides amongst folk living in Isolated places since the strong lawas came in,its ok living in the cities and towns with easy access to taxis.Drink driving is dangerous, but we do have the problem of isolation in rural areas. I used to drive a bus to pick some of these people up to bring them to nearest main town during the day and I tell you I had to go down some very long lonely roads, miles away from any shop, post office, doctor's surgery, or pub. And when I say miles, I mean miles.
However I have my doubts about this vote as number of people who passed this are actually publicans.
Maybe we should look at laws to legalise the shebeen, or local drinking clubs. The law would allow them to be set up relatively easy, but they would have restricted hours in that they could only open in the evening and closed at midnight. They could not be set up within 2km of an existing pub, and they would only have a limited number of drinks available and all drinkers would have to be a member and over a certain age, say forty.
They would have a limited size, and would be have facilities to play cards, a bit of live music (one or two musicians),
I know there are practical problems with this, but it maybe a novel idea to a growing problem of isolation and suicide.
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The motion by Danny Healy-Rae was passed at a meeting yesterday by a margin of 5 (4 of them owned pubs)votes to 3.
The rest of the councillors were either absent or abstained.
He says permit holders would have to keep their speed down and stick to infrequently used roads
What planet are these men on? I heard him on the radio how people in rural areas need to meet up in the pub as its the only place to get some company and talk "business". Now maybe that's the truth but who says you can't have a soft drink and chat with neighbours?