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Mar 16, 2013 6:49 AM CST Black Death dug up
check_mate
check_matecheck_mateLondon, Greater London, England UK42 Threads 12 Polls 968 Posts
Twelve skeletons believed to belong to victims of the Black Death in the 14th century have been uncovered as part of the project to complete the £14.8 billion Crossrail project.

The carefully laid out bones are thought to be part of a Middle Ages burial ground in central London which could be the final resting place for as many as 50,000 victims of the plague, which became known as the Black Death and swept through Britain and Europe in 1348.

The find occurred as workers were digging at about 8ft underground on the road surrounding Charterhouse Square in Farringdon in the City of London.

Tests will be carried out on the skeletons but experts are linking the discovery with the Black Death as it is known that a burial ground for plague victims was opened in the Farringdon area, with records suggesting 50,000 people might have been buried at the site in less than three years.

About 1.5 million Britons died as a result of the Black Death – which equated to more than a third of the population. In Europe as a whole, about 25 million died.

The Black Death swept through Europe in the 14th century, killing thousands.
Pottery dated up until 1350 found in the graves by the Crossrail team and the layout of the skeletons all point to them being plague victims. A similar skeleton formation was found in a Black Death burial site in nearby east Smithfield in the 1980s. The skeletons are being carefully excavated and taken to the Museum of London Archaeology for testing.

Scientists are hoping to map the DNA signature of the plague virus and possibly contribute to the discussion regarding what virus caused the Black Death. The bones will also be carbon dated to try to establish when they were buried.

Crossrail lead archaeologist Jay Carver said: ‘This is a highly significant discovery and at the moment we are left with many questions that we hope to answer.

‘We will be undertaking scientific tests on the skeletons over the coming months to establish their cause of death, whether they were plague victims from the 14th century or later residents, how old they were and perhaps evidence of who they were.

‘However, at this early stage… all points towards this being part of the 14th century emergency burial ground.’

These are not the first skeletons found on the Crossrail projects, with archaeologists already uncovering more than 300 at a known burial ground at Liverpool Street in London that dates from the 1500s to 1700s. That burial ground was located near the Bedlam Hospital.

Archaeologists also hope to find Roman artefacts as they dig deeper at the Farringdon site. Source: Metro

Have to wonder with the shortage of land to bury what decision will be made. As it stands coffins are dug up and replaced with new burials or holes made deeper to place new coffins on top of existing coffins. Cremation is today, the most practical way to go in my opinion unless you are rich enough to afford a decent burial plot.
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Mar 16, 2013 6:50 AM CST Black Death dug up
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
Dagosto: There might be some real good reasons. Like, finding an immunity to AIDS/HIV.

The 'Black Death' (generally thought to be the septicaemic version of the bubonic plague, yersinia pestis) was better documented in England than most anywhere. And it turned out, there were some isolated pockets where mortality was much much lower.* Genetic research in recent years has suggested some unknown natural immunity to the plague, and bizarre as it sounds, some descendants of those apparently immune populations have also been linked to a statisical likelihood to not acquire HIV, despite high-risk behavior.

The link is tenuous. Y. Pestis is a bacillum, and HIV a virus. Yet any apparent link between immune populations is worth looking at.

*Although London was not one of those areas.


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Mar 16, 2013 7:01 AM CST Black Death dug up
Dagosto
DagostoDagostoKnoxville, Tennessee USA74 Threads 15 Polls 3,076 Posts
GUZMAN1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theories_of_the_Black_Death


I identify the historic 'Black Death' as primarily the septacaemic strain, because of its extreme mortality and quick onset, as described by multiple chroniclers of the time. However, there seems little question that all three strains were widely circulating simultaneously, thus aggravating the misery.

There's been some debate about whether y. pestis was the culprit, yes. My impression from the literature I've read, though, is case closed, it was y. pestis.

wine
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Mar 16, 2013 7:04 AM CST Black Death dug up
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
9. Crash Remains of WWII Fliers Recovered from Iceland Glacier. The mummified remains of four RAF crew members, whose Fairey Battle bomber crashed into an Iceland mountain in May 1941, have been recovered.

The plane had disappeared without a trace over 59 years ago, but recent melting of the glacier revealed bits of wreckage in 1999. An multi-national expedition battered by the cold reached the remote site in 2000.

Besides the well-preserved human remains, team members found cans of corned beef, boot polish, a toothbrush, and a flying jacket. Perhaps the most touching discovery was a watch given to Flying Officer Arthur Round, one of the crew members, by his father two days after his 19th birthday. Its inscription read, "A. Round from Dad. 14.2.34.

The three other crew members were Reginald Hopkins, Keith Garrett, and Pilot Officer Henry Talbot. A memorial service was held in Iceland on August 27, 2000, and burial took place in the Fossfogur Commonwealth War Grave Cemetery in Reykjavik.
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Mar 16, 2013 7:20 AM CST Black Death dug up
Dagosto
DagostoDagostoKnoxville, Tennessee USA74 Threads 15 Polls 3,076 Posts
Here the BBC reports, vaguely, on the link between Black Death and HIV immunity I mentioned originally:



Although this report does not mention the identified "pockets of immunity" found in England.

wine
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Mar 16, 2013 7:26 AM CST Black Death dug up
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
Dagosto: I identify the historic 'Black Death' as primarily the septacaemic strain, because of its extreme mortality and quick onset, as described by multiple chroniclers of the time. However, there seems little question that all three strains were widely circulating simultaneously, thus aggravating the misery.

There's been some debate about whether y. pestis was the culprit, yes. My impression from the literature I've read, though, is case closed, it was y. pestis.


I have no idea about the matter, but, does the germ can survive several centuries? I guess no one thinks it can happen, because researchers do not wear any type of protection. dunno
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Mar 16, 2013 7:32 AM CST Black Death dug up
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Adalstef: They are now digging up skeletons in London, believed to have been victims of the Black Death plague that killed almost 50% of the population in Europe

Does it really make sense to unearth this, shouldn't it be better to pour concrete over it or just burn it?


you think that's bad, vote into office dumb aess politicians like ours who deny that our debt is harmful.. very mad
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Mar 16, 2013 7:39 AM CST Black Death dug up
Adalstef
AdalstefAdalstefReykjavik, Northwest Iceland94 Threads 896 Posts
GUZMAN1: I have no idea about the matter, but, does the germ can survive several centuries? I guess no one thinks it can happen, because researchers do not wear any type of protection.


I read a few years back that Norwegians were digging up bodies on Svalbard hoping to find dormant samples in frozen bodies
They found some bodies but I dont know if they had the virus
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Mar 19, 2013 2:59 AM CST Black Death dug up
drgroovetone
drgroovetonedrgroovetoneNew Orleans, Louisiana USA1 Threads 1 Polls 89 Posts
the united states and russian federation both still possess stockpiles of weaponized bubonic plague along with smallpox, anthrax, tularemia, q-fever and many other delightful pathogens

worry about that, not some dusty archaeological relics
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Mar 19, 2013 8:41 AM CST Black Death dug up
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
drgroovetone: the united states and russian federation both still possess stockpiles of weaponized bubonic plague along with smallpox, anthrax, tularemia, q-fever and many other delightful pathogens

worry about that, not some dusty archaeological relics


However they could revitalize forgotten pathogens from archeological rests.
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Mar 19, 2013 8:58 AM CST Black Death dug up
GUZMAN1: However they could revitalize forgotten pathogens from archeological rests.
they could find some pretty nasty Bugs,or develop them from the genetic Info they find!
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