the greed of the irish ( Archived) (35)

Apr 10, 2013 7:16 AM CST the greed of the irish
GermanStyle
GermanStyleGermanStyleZürich/Wexford, Thurgau Switzerland1 Threads 5 Posts
it's not the "luck" but the greed of the irish which has destroyed the country i used to love.
Am i right?
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Apr 10, 2013 7:17 AM CST the greed of the irish
GermanStyle: it's not the "luck" but the greed of the irish which has destroyed the country i used to love.
Am i right?
Scuseeeeeeeeee me???
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Apr 10, 2013 7:20 AM CST the greed of the irish
GermanStyle: it's not the "luck" but the greed of the irish which has destroyed the country i used to love.
Am i right?
What are you doing in Basel?grin

Actually it is that infernal EU that has messed up not only Ireland,but a few other European Countries with it!
What is a small Country to do when the Big Thugs of Europe are making them an Offer they better not refuse?

The Great EURO-Caper!
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Apr 10, 2013 7:23 AM CST the greed of the irish
GermanStyle: it's not the "luck" but the greed of the irish which has destroyed the country i used to love.
Am i right?
Are you IRISH living in Germany??
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Apr 10, 2013 7:39 AM CST the greed of the irish
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
What?

Did they ask for more than one potato each, or something?

Were they too lazy to grow more than all the grain for their rent and a few pratties for themselves?

roll eyes
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Apr 10, 2013 7:44 AM CST the greed of the irish
Maus19
Maus19Maus19Kilkenny, Ireland3 Threads 397 Posts
GermanStyle: it's not the "luck" but the greed of the irish which has destroyed the country i used to love.
Am i right?
ohh, this is going to be a fun one dancing popcorn
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Apr 10, 2013 7:50 AM CST the greed of the irish
Glatlol
GlatlolGlatlolDublin, Ireland2 Threads 5,358 Posts
GermanStyle: it's not the "luck" but the greed of the irish which has destroyed the country i used to love.
Am i right?



Please do explain further, I really dont want to make to much comment until I am clear on what you are actually saying.
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Apr 10, 2013 7:54 AM CST the greed of the irish
Delatude
DelatudeDelatudeParis, Ile-de-France France649 Posts
Hi German,handshake

I think a definition of greed is in order to try to understand your statement:
"Greed is the inordinate desire to possess wealth, goods, or objects of abstract value with the intention to keep it for one's self, far beyond the dictates of basic survival and comfort. It is applied to a markedly high desire for and pursuit of wealth, status, and power."
Being in the EU, it would be difficult for Ireland to have the freedom of being greedy as per the description above. I believe that like many other EU nations, they are facing an economical downturn and have difficulties providing basic services.

You should find other causality other than greed as to the, in your word, "destruction" of Ireland. Your statement is too simplistic to hold any truth, IMO.

Take care. cheers
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Apr 10, 2013 8:08 AM CST the greed of the irish
Karn1
Karn1Karn1Galway, Ireland11 Threads 1 Polls 252 Posts
GermanStyle: it's not the "luck" but the greed of the irish which has destroyed the country i used to love.
Am i right?

I agree no one forced people to sign up to massive mortgages I was offered one during the boom and refused and stayed building my home as I could afford it, driving an older car and having budget holidays. so now I can afford my debt even though I am currently out sick. hole
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Apr 10, 2013 8:24 AM CST the greed of the irish
Delatude
DelatudeDelatudeParis, Ile-de-France France649 Posts
Karn1: I agree no one forced people to sign up to massive mortgages I was offered one during the boom and refused and stayed building my home as I could afford it, driving an older car and having budget holidays. so now I can afford my debt even though I am currently out sick.


Hi Karn, handshake
The same problem existed in the US.
When interest rates were low, many people bought or refinanced homes.
They moved from a higher Fixed Rate to a lower Variable Rate. When the crisis arrived, most of these people lost their home.
They made a financial decision, but I certainly would not call it greed.
thanks
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Apr 10, 2013 8:51 AM CST the greed of the irish
Karn1
Karn1Karn1Galway, Ireland11 Threads 1 Polls 252 Posts
Delatude: Hi Karn,
The same problem existed in the US.
When interest rates were low, many people bought or refinanced homes.
They moved from a higher Fixed Rate to a lower Variable Rate. When the crisis arrived, most of these people lost their home.
They made a financial decision, but I certainly would not call it greed.

I agree but the two cars foreign property,everything new and weddings for over 200 friends and acquaintances all on borrowed money not a refinance but everything financed. Also farmers selling land at overinflated prices and builders earning more per hour than consultants that was greed. Many builders wouldn't get out of bed for less than €50 per hour and wouldn't take on small jobs for individuals. The ones that have survived were the ones who kept their small customers on and are still working now.
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Apr 10, 2013 9:06 AM CST the greed of the irish
Delatude
DelatudeDelatudeParis, Ile-de-France France649 Posts
Karn1: I agree but the two cars foreign property,everything new and weddings for over 200 friends and acquaintances all on borrowed money not a refinance but everything financed. Also farmers selling land at overinflated prices and builders earning more per hour than consultants that was greed. Many builders wouldn't get out of bed for less than €50 per hour and wouldn't take on small jobs for individuals. The ones that have survived were the ones who kept their small customers on and are still working now.


You are right Karn, but I wouldn't say it is all the Irish doing so per the context of this thread.
The ranks of the one who gouge the population will thin out. This is not a problem particular to Ireland. I would say it is a condemnation of consumerism.
The one taking advantage of the consumers are the greedy one and they turned some legitimate businesses into scamming for profits. You will find profiteers everywhere in the world, not only in Ireland.
It is too broad of a statement, IMO.
Thanks Karn. handshake
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Apr 10, 2013 9:09 AM CST the greed of the irish
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
It does seem that too many of the Irish felt that they could jump about 6 social classes overnight. Anyway, you reap what you sow, but there's no need to rub salt in the wounds. The rest of the West is guilty of the same to one degree or another.
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Apr 10, 2013 5:08 PM CST the greed of the irish
rohaan
rohaanrohaanCoos Bay, Oregon USA229 Threads 10,517 Posts
GermanStyle: it's not the "luck" but the greed of the irish which has destroyed the country i used to love.
Am i right?
It is erroneous to stereotype an entire country. I'm sure there are many, many Irish who are not greedy, who are kind, gentle, hardworking. professor
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Apr 10, 2013 8:56 PM CST the greed of the irish
GalwayGuy35
GalwayGuy35GalwayGuy35galway, Galway Ireland25 Threads 1,537 Posts
GermanStyle: it's not the "luck" but the greed of the irish which has destroyed the country i used to love.
Am i right?


We are all paying extra tax over here to get ourselves out of the hole we are in.

Don't bother coming back when things start to turn around.
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Apr 10, 2013 8:58 PM CST the greed of the irish
GalwayGuy35
GalwayGuy35GalwayGuy35galway, Galway Ireland25 Threads 1,537 Posts
Karn1: I agree no one forced people to sign up to massive mortgages I was offered one during the boom and refused and stayed building my home as I could afford it, driving an older car and having budget holidays. so now I can afford my debt even though I am currently out sick.


Hate to break it to you but it wasn't ordinary people who caused this but Property speculators and the bankers.
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Apr 10, 2013 9:08 PM CST the greed of the irish
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
In response to: it's not the "luck" but the greed of the irish which has destroyed the country i used to love.
Am i right?




You got a few centuries to listen on how the Native Americans of today are all about power,greed and still display the very same mistreat to their own kind today.

I would also say that a good share of the Americans political figures included are about greed and power.Believe me when I say that not all cultures have a patent on it.
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Apr 10, 2013 9:10 PM CST the greed of the irish
WESTERNSTAR1
WESTERNSTAR1WESTERNSTAR1†_ °_†, Cork Ireland8 Threads 5 Polls 3,490 Posts
GermanStyle: it's not the "luck" but the greed of the irish which has destroyed the country i used to love.
Am i right?
YES YOU ARE RIGHT
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Apr 17, 2013 12:25 PM CST the greed of the irish
Tormented
TormentedTormenteddublin, Louth Ireland2 Threads 228 Posts
GermanStyle: it's not the "luck" but the greed of the irish which has destroyed the country i used to love.
Am i right?


totally agree with Conrade93 and Del.
my family are that of hard workers and our days can long and tiring but on the male side we like to speculate in certain areas of interest to ourselves after we've finished our work.

don't mistake ones willingness of trying to better themselves,for greed!!!
material things are of little value to me but succeeding at what I want to do is of great value to me.
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Apr 17, 2013 12:36 PM CST the greed of the irish
GalwayGuy35: We are all paying extra tax over here to get ourselves out of the hole we are in.

Don't bother coming back when things start to turn around.
you can have him back,we don't want him!laugh
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