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The U.S. vs. North Korea: Inside a Pentagon war game By Jake Tapper and Jennifer Rizzo
Imagine the North Korean regime has toppled, either because the U.S. or South Korea take it out, or because of a coup, and the U.S. has to surge troops to secure the country's nuclear stockpiles to make sure they do not fall into the wrong hands.
The frightening scenario was played out at the U.S. Army War College recently, and it did not end well. The military sets the scene in the fictitious land of "North Brownland," essentially an alias for North Korea.
"It was a family regime that had nuclear weapons, lost control of nuclear weapons. The population was considered to be so brainwashed, and we had a staging area with a country in the south," said Paul McLeary of Defense News. McLeary was present as the military officials debated the plans.
U.S .troops, he said, had immediate problems surging into the North Korea-like country. V-22 Ospreys zoomed U.S. soldiers deep beyond the border, but with reinforcements so far behind they were quickly surrounded by the enemy and needed to be pulled out. American troops eventually made it over the border, but with nuclear sites located in populated areas, their mission became more difficult. U.S. forces made humanitarian aid drops to draw people out of the cities.
"They made the game as difficult as possible to really test their capabilities," said McLeary. "They're very concerned about being able to get troops who can deal with nuclear and chemical weapons where they need them quickly. And the fact that over the past ten or twelve years, they haven't really invested in that capability so much. They've invested in counterinsurgency, ground vehicles, IED threats, but they haven't really spent a lot of time and money modernizing their nuclear and chemical troops."
In the end it takes the U.S. a force of 90,000 troops and 56 days to secure "North Brownland's" nuclear weapons.
"We are not very well prepared to deal with a collapsed North Korea," said Bruce Bennett, a defense analyst at the RAND Corporation.
Bennett says his numbers for containing the regime's nuclear arsenal run even higher, 200,000 troops, larger than the force in Iraq and Afghanistan at its peak.
"We would have to send perhaps a third of our army to South Korea in order to deal with the weapons of mass destruction. And with the rotations we do of our forces, that's about all we can afford to do at any given time," said Bennett.
It is thought that North Korea has 100 sites linked to their nuclear and missile program. But with a black tarp shrouding intelligence on the locations, troops would likely have to fight their way through the country to find and secure them.
"North Korea has about 1.2 million people in the military, that's a very large military for us to deal with," said Bennett. According to the South Korean defense ministry, North Korea also has "about 200,000 special forces. And those special forces would be prepared to fight you like Taliban, or the Iraqi insurgents."
Posted by Jake Tapper, Jennifer Rizzo Filed under: World Lead
North Korea is a different target all together unlike Iraq where there were no weapons at all. imagine if US lost half of its army and weapons, it would take Mexicans less than 12 months to run the place.
AgentAjax: North Korea is a different target all together unlike Iraq where there were no weapons at all. imagine if US lost half of its army and weapons, it would take Mexicans less than 12 months to run the place.
Guess they will be sure glad there are no Firearms at all in Civilian's Hands!
A Russian view: North Korea increases missile potential
bottom line North Korea's missile arsenal can be a serious threat to the entire region, which is greatly enhanced by the presence of nuclear weapons. Only the top military leadership of the Korean People's Army knows how many missiles the army has and what type. Without exaggeration, some Korean missiles are capable of carrying a nuclear warhead that can hit any target not only in South Korea and Japan, but even on the island of Guam, which is a territory of the United States with a major military base for strategic bombers. In this regard, there is nothing surprising in such close attention to the situation on the Korean peninsula, because any conflict there could escalate into a global nuclear war.
Defiant North Korea celebrates Kim Il-sung anniversary Monday, 15 April, 2013 [UPDATED: 11:32]
North Korea celebrated the 101st anniversary of its founder’s birth on Monday with no signs of tension easing on the peninsula after it rejected talks with South Korea aimed at normalising ties and re-opening a joint industrial park.
The United States has also offered talks, but on the pre-condition that North Korea abandons its nuclear weapons ambitions. North Korea deems its nuclear arms a “treasured sword” and has vowed never to give them up.
The North has threatened for weeks to attack the United States, South Korea and Japan since new UN sanctions were imposed in response to its latest nuclear arms test in February.
South Korea’s Defence Ministry said it remained on guard against a possible new missile launch to coincide with the Day of the Sun, the date state founder Kim Il-sung was born. But officials discounted speculation that the North would proceed with a launch or a new nuclear test on the anniversary itself.
“North Korea is not believed to have launched a missile on the occasion of the Day of the Sun, of which today’s is the 101st,” ministry spokesman Kim Min-seok told a briefing.
“But the military is not easing up on its vigilance on the activities of the North’s military with the view that they can conduct a provocation at any time.”
Kim Il-sung was born in 1912 and led his country from its founding in 1948, through the 1950-53 Korean War and until he died in 1994. His son, Kim Jong-il, then took over.
The South Korean Unification Ministry, which oversees relations with the North, said it was “regrettable” that the North had rejected an offer of talks, made last week by President Park Geun-hye. It said the offer would remain on the table.
Missile launches and nuclear tests by North Korea are both banned under UN Security Council resolutions, that were expanded after its third nuclear test, in February.
The aim of the North’s aggressive acts, analysts say, is to bolster the leadership of Kim Jong-un, 30, the grandson of the reclusive state’s founder, or to force the United States to hold talks with the North.
The third Kim to rule in Pyongyang attended a midnight celebration of his father and grandfather’s rule with top officials, including his kingmaker uncle Jang Song-thaek and the country’s top generals.
The Chinese Communist Party mouthpiece, the People’s Daily, warned on Monday that tensions could get out of control.
“Bad things will always happen if a bowstring is drawn for too long,” the paper wrote in a commentary.
“It does not matter if it is intentional or accidental, even the smallest thing could cause the situation to change rapidly and perhaps get totally out of control.”
If matters did go out of control, it said, “no party will be able to stand on the side”.
North Korea has repeatedly stressed that it fears the United States wants to invade it and has manipulated the United Nations to weaken it. At the weekend, the North rejected the overture by new South Korean President Park as a “cunning” ploy.
“We will expand in quantity our nuclear weapons capability, which is the treasure of a unified Korea ... that we would never barter at any price,” Kim Yong-nam, North Korea’s titular head of state, told a gathering of officials and service personnel applauding the achievements of Kim Il-Sung.
Kim Il-sung’s birthday is usually marked with a mass parade to showcase the North’s military might. In last year, following the death of his father, Kim Jong-un made a public speech, the first in living memory for a North Korean leader.
Let me get this right- united states is the only country in the world that has assaulted half the world with chemical, nuclear, long range missiles…etc and they still reserve the right to be the only country in the world to hold on to them…. ENTERTAIN ME HERE!!!! Because???? united states has proven to be a responsible country to do so?
Oh happy day Oh happy day Oh happy happy day; Oh happy dayWhen Jesus washed Oh when he washed When Jesus washed He washed my sins away! Oh happy day...
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By Jake Tapper and Jennifer Rizzo
Imagine the North Korean regime has toppled, either because the U.S. or South Korea take it out, or because of a coup, and the U.S. has to surge troops to secure the country's nuclear stockpiles to make sure they do not fall into the wrong hands.
The frightening scenario was played out at the U.S. Army War College recently, and it did not end well. The military sets the scene in the fictitious land of "North Brownland," essentially an alias for North Korea.
"It was a family regime that had nuclear weapons, lost control of nuclear weapons. The population was considered to be so brainwashed, and we had a staging area with a country in the south," said Paul McLeary of Defense News. McLeary was present as the military officials debated the plans.
U.S .troops, he said, had immediate problems surging into the North Korea-like country. V-22 Ospreys zoomed U.S. soldiers deep beyond the border, but with reinforcements so far behind they were quickly surrounded by the enemy and needed to be pulled out. American troops eventually made it over the border, but with nuclear sites located in populated areas, their mission became more difficult. U.S. forces made humanitarian aid drops to draw people out of the cities.
"They made the game as difficult as possible to really test their capabilities," said McLeary. "They're very concerned about being able to get troops who can deal with nuclear and chemical weapons where they need them quickly. And the fact that over the past ten or twelve years, they haven't really invested in that capability so much. They've invested in counterinsurgency, ground vehicles, IED threats, but they haven't really spent a lot of time and money modernizing their nuclear and chemical troops."
In the end it takes the U.S. a force of 90,000 troops and 56 days to secure "North Brownland's" nuclear weapons.
"We are not very well prepared to deal with a collapsed North Korea," said Bruce Bennett, a defense analyst at the RAND Corporation.
Bennett says his numbers for containing the regime's nuclear arsenal run even higher, 200,000 troops, larger than the force in Iraq and Afghanistan at its peak.
"We would have to send perhaps a third of our army to South Korea in order to deal with the weapons of mass destruction. And with the rotations we do of our forces, that's about all we can afford to do at any given time," said Bennett.
It is thought that North Korea has 100 sites linked to their nuclear and missile program. But with a black tarp shrouding intelligence on the locations, troops would likely have to fight their way through the country to find and secure them.
"North Korea has about 1.2 million people in the military, that's a very large military for us to deal with," said Bennett. According to the South Korean defense ministry, North Korea also has "about 200,000 special forces. And those special forces would be prepared to fight you like Taliban, or the Iraqi insurgents."
Posted by Jake Tapper, Jennifer Rizzo
Filed under: World Lead