Rosy expectations RE:US economic, financial and political recovery (98)
Also, if the US is rapidly losing steam it should become less and less attractive to all sorts of immigrants, at some point even the illegal ones, n'est pas?
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As we know, Governments don't go broke; they make you go broke first...
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itsimpossible: As we know, Governments don't go broke; they make you go broke first...
I have to disagree somewhat, or maybe re-phrase, we in my humble opinion are not expecting a local governmental collapse, we are talking here about a potential cataclysmic event, collapse of the entire society, of ideology, way of life, consumer economy etc etc etc. As one of previous knowledgeable participants modestly noted, none of us has the crystal ball, but it is a conceivable scenario nevertheless.
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Gentlemen, such a diversity of opinions! Imagine, long time ago in Siberia, in an extremely prestigious now Altay mountainous district I was offered a beautiful house in a famous Chemal resort for 2000 Rubles!
What a fool I was, I turned it down, house, 2 acres of land, garden....
Imagine, brown bears, moose, elk,snow leopards even( not that I would hunt such an endangered critter), 15k summits with glaciers, lakes,
Yes, it is too late now, BRIC as You well put is an exclusive club now.
Now when I say complete collapse I do not necessarily mean complete and total annihilation or starvation, enough if You stagnate for some 20-30 years at best and the markets are closed for a combination of reasons....
What a fool I was, I turned it down, house, 2 acres of land, garden....
Imagine, brown bears, moose, elk,snow leopards even( not that I would hunt such an endangered critter), 15k summits with glaciers, lakes,
Yes, it is too late now, BRIC as You well put is an exclusive club now.
Now when I say complete collapse I do not necessarily mean complete and total annihilation or starvation, enough if You stagnate for some 20-30 years at best and the markets are closed for a combination of reasons....
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robplum: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2013/05/01/editorials/toward-a-japan-russia-peace-treaty/#.UYDmPLXIvnU
Given, I believe, Japan did not declare war on Russia in WWii, what is this story in your link about?
I think Japan learned from their short war with Russia in 1904 -- 1905, not to mess with Russia again unless it absolutely had to.
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galrads: Given, I believe, Japan did not declare war on Russia in WWii, what is this story in your link about?
I think Japan learned from their short war with Russia in 1904 -- 1905, not to mess with Russia again unless it absolutely had to.
actually Russia got the shorter end of the stick in 1905!I think Japan learned from their short war with Russia in 1904 -- 1905, not to mess with Russia again unless it absolutely had to.
In WWII,Russia declared War on Japan right after the dropping of the two Nuclear Devices,and snatched Sakhalin,lost in the Russo-Japanese War,and also took the Kuriles!
Strange though that Stalin ,since the USSR wasn't at War with Japan then,was approached by Japan and asked to be a go-between in a possible Cease Fire or Armistice!
Somehow Uncle Joe completely 'forgot' to clue in Truman on it!
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Conrad73: actually Russia got the shorter end of the stick in 1905!
In WWII,Russia declared War on Japan right after the dropping of the two Nuclear Devices,and snatched Sakhalin,lost in the Russo-Japanese War,and also took the Kuriles!
Strange though that Stalin ,since the USSR wasn't at War with Japan then,was approached by Japan and asked to be a go-between in a possible Cease Fire or Armistice!
Somehow Uncle Joe completely 'forgot' to clue in Truman on it!
In WWII,Russia declared War on Japan right after the dropping of the two Nuclear Devices,and snatched Sakhalin,lost in the Russo-Japanese War,and also took the Kuriles!
Strange though that Stalin ,since the USSR wasn't at War with Japan then,was approached by Japan and asked to be a go-between in a possible Cease Fire or Armistice!
Somehow Uncle Joe completely 'forgot' to clue in Truman on it!
Good ol uncle Joe.
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Iuchi_Zien: I don't agree:
Russia: Russia's economy is now pretty much dependent on natural resources. If they really wanted to they could probably stop collecting personal taxes and STILL run their economy. As resources become more scarce the value increases so for the next couple of decades the position in Russia is going to be fairly rosy.
China: China hasn't even started to tap its home market yet. The value of that market is frightening, when, not if, the US collapses back into recession then China will start looking at its own market as a growth source. I suspect at that point you may well see some quite protectionist behavior towards the West. Anybody want to join BRIC? too late I'm afraid!!
Itchy , China has looked inwards .That is what is driving it's growth now . As the USof A is not spending so much . Don't count though on the US leaving any time soon , went to buy a quad bike , shop was full of yellow US/C whatever made bikes .Cheap , selling well . Of my usual brand there was one low spec model . Caterpillar shares have jumped since the crisis ,with out looking I think they cut in half and have doubled in the time since . China's banking system has problems hidden away just waiting for the real end to their growth , and it will come .Russia: Russia's economy is now pretty much dependent on natural resources. If they really wanted to they could probably stop collecting personal taxes and STILL run their economy. As resources become more scarce the value increases so for the next couple of decades the position in Russia is going to be fairly rosy.
China: China hasn't even started to tap its home market yet. The value of that market is frightening, when, not if, the US collapses back into recession then China will start looking at its own market as a growth source. I suspect at that point you may well see some quite protectionist behavior towards the West. Anybody want to join BRIC? too late I'm afraid!!
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Looks like there are basically two camps.
1) people contending that based on past glory ( or maybe some other serious considerations) the US will pretty soon fully recover on all fronts without any tangible losses/
2) people like me who think that in a few years the distribution of power and influence will look dramatically different.
Will it be a better world? Personally highly doubt it. The old power brokers were highly reprehensible, but the new breed not much better.
Plus due to connections, influence, know-how the old ones may partly transform into the new thing. But that is only my personal opinion.
1) people contending that based on past glory ( or maybe some other serious considerations) the US will pretty soon fully recover on all fronts without any tangible losses/
2) people like me who think that in a few years the distribution of power and influence will look dramatically different.
Will it be a better world? Personally highly doubt it. The old power brokers were highly reprehensible, but the new breed not much better.
Plus due to connections, influence, know-how the old ones may partly transform into the new thing. But that is only my personal opinion.
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Two moral values be there that can keep a country strong.
Support for what is right. Disdain for what is wrong.
As long as these two values are respected things go well.
But when they are neglected everything will go to hell.
Support for what is right. Disdain for what is wrong.
As long as these two values are respected things go well.
But when they are neglected everything will go to hell.
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RayfromUSA: Yes and no.
Financial hub "yes" that's finished.
Monopoly money doesn't sell well any more.
World policeman "no" they're going for broke on that one.
They can't compete financially so they are trying to militarily seize the world's energy resources now before their crumbling economy begins to erode their military power.
It's all spelled out in great detail in the PNAC plan.
Financial hub "yes" that's finished.
Monopoly money doesn't sell well any more.
World policeman "no" they're going for broke on that one.
They can't compete financially so they are trying to militarily seize the world's energy resources now before their crumbling economy begins to erode their military power.
It's all spelled out in great detail in the PNAC plan.
What You are saying Ray is possible though by doing the policing You further erode the opinions and the reputation, also how much can You capitalize on that factor before even more drastic cuts to Your economy? Personally I am not versed enough in matters geo-political and the like to know. Suspect that even all so-called experts would not be able to say.
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RayfromUSA: Well yes I agree with what you say.
The US has given up completely on trying to preserve its reputation. That's a lost cause.
Instead, the US is engaged in a game of "RISK" trying to deploy enough forces in key places around the world to gain total world control. Frankly that's their only hope to avoid complete economic collapse.
But the situation is even worse than that because the real forces who control the US don't even want the country to survive. They are intentionally carving it up because it has become a financial burden rather than an asset. They only keep it afloat in order to plunder as much wealth out of it as possible before it sinks.
They will continue to announce "rosy economic expectations" right up to the day the nation slides into total chaos. But meanwhile they are looting the economy and making their getaway.
The US has given up completely on trying to preserve its reputation. That's a lost cause.
Instead, the US is engaged in a game of "RISK" trying to deploy enough forces in key places around the world to gain total world control. Frankly that's their only hope to avoid complete economic collapse.
But the situation is even worse than that because the real forces who control the US don't even want the country to survive. They are intentionally carving it up because it has become a financial burden rather than an asset. They only keep it afloat in order to plunder as much wealth out of it as possible before it sinks.
They will continue to announce "rosy economic expectations" right up to the day the nation slides into total chaos. But meanwhile they are looting the economy and making their getaway.
Intuitively I tend to agree, it is a pity we do not have concrete information , at least I do not have, it has to be an accelerating process, so the endgame could be extremely close. And even though the US more than deserves such a fate the results will be tragic far beyond it's borders. And what happens to Britain?
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RayfromUSA: Well yes I agree with what you say.
The US has given up completely on trying to preserve its reputation. That's a lost cause.
Instead, the US is engaged in a game of "RISK" trying to deploy enough forces in key places around the world to gain total world control. Frankly that's their only hope to avoid complete economic collapse.
But the situation is even worse than that because the real forces who control the US don't even want the country to survive. They are intentionally carving it up because it has become a financial burden rather than an asset. They only keep it afloat in order to plunder as much wealth out of it as possible before it sinks.
They will continue to announce "rosy economic expectations" right up to the day the nation slides into total chaos. But meanwhile they are looting the economy and making their getaway.
The US has given up completely on trying to preserve its reputation. That's a lost cause.
Instead, the US is engaged in a game of "RISK" trying to deploy enough forces in key places around the world to gain total world control. Frankly that's their only hope to avoid complete economic collapse.
But the situation is even worse than that because the real forces who control the US don't even want the country to survive. They are intentionally carving it up because it has become a financial burden rather than an asset. They only keep it afloat in order to plunder as much wealth out of it as possible before it sinks.
They will continue to announce "rosy economic expectations" right up to the day the nation slides into total chaos. But meanwhile they are looting the economy and making their getaway.
Intuitively I tend to agree, it is a pity we do not have concrete information , at least I do not have, it has to be an accelerating process, so the endgame could be extremely close. And even though the US more than deserves such a fate the results will be tragic far beyond it's borders. And what happens to Britain?
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Life is uncertain and none of us know - the American economy - it is a drunken man's walk at the best of times.
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And by the way, is there any noticeable shift in Israeli position?
These people are extremely pragmatic, they discarded antiquated notions like loyalty and friendship centuries ago.
Even Turkey is not as malleable as before, all of a sudden they are exploring their islamic roots.....
These people are extremely pragmatic, they discarded antiquated notions like loyalty and friendship centuries ago.
Even Turkey is not as malleable as before, all of a sudden they are exploring their islamic roots.....
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At an individual level outcome is directly related to our motivation, likewise collective motivations and activities of collective body speech and mind activities shape the final outcome.
Sorry but I don't have a crystal ball
No one does, but people knowledgeable in things econo-political are definitely much closer to the truth than the rest..........